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I just got finished reading Apache OFBiz Cookbook (Open Source: Community
Experience Distilled) by Ruth Hoffman. I have been writing Ofbiz code since before it was an Apache project. This book would have saved me six months of digging through Ofbiz code and inspite of my nearly a decade of experience, I still learned several new things in it. I highly recommend this book to everyone, beginner and expert alike and strongly recommend this book for anyone just getting started. It is well written and worth every penny. When you get the Data Resource book, get this one too and read it first. Amazon has it here https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1847199186/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?i e=UTF8&psc=1 I have never met or spoken to Ruth even though she posts on this forum from time to time. Thanks Ruth. Skip |
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Thank you for the recommendation. I read Ms. Hoffman's "OFBiz Ecommerce
Out-Of-The-Box" as a primer of sorts, and based on that positive experience will consider saving my pennies so I can purchase her OFBiz cookbook. Is there any reason to anticipate a need for an updated edition? Have there been many significant changes to OFBiz (or its complementary considerations like data modeling strategies) since 2010? On 16-08-05 10:55 AM, Skip wrote: > I just got finished reading Apache OFBiz Cookbook (Open Source: Community > Experience Distilled) by Ruth Hoffman. > > I have been writing Ofbiz code since before it was an Apache project. This > book would have saved me six months of digging through Ofbiz code and > inspite of my nearly a decade of experience, I still learned several new > things in it. > > I highly recommend this book to everyone, beginner and expert alike and > strongly recommend this book for anyone just getting started. It is well > written and worth every penny. When you get the Data Resource book, get > this one too and read it first. > > Amazon has it here > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1847199186/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?i > e=UTF8&psc=1 > > > I have never met or spoken to Ruth even though she posts on this forum from > time to time. > > Thanks Ruth. > > Skip > |
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There have been significant changes since this book was written. However,
it covers topics where very little would need to be added to make it current. It does not cover the code in the applications tree where a great deal has changed. It focuses on the framework which is what you really want when you are making new applications for hot-deploy. I think with this book, you are well prepared to write new applications assuming previous Java experience. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Thorner [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:00 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Ofbiz Cookbook Thank you for the recommendation. I read Ms. Hoffman's "OFBiz Ecommerce Out-Of-The-Box" as a primer of sorts, and based on that positive experience will consider saving my pennies so I can purchase her OFBiz cookbook. Is there any reason to anticipate a need for an updated edition? Have there been many significant changes to OFBiz (or its complementary considerations like data modeling strategies) since 2010? On 16-08-05 10:55 AM, Skip wrote: > I just got finished reading Apache OFBiz Cookbook (Open Source: Community > Experience Distilled) by Ruth Hoffman. > > I have been writing Ofbiz code since before it was an Apache project. This > book would have saved me six months of digging through Ofbiz code and > inspite of my nearly a decade of experience, I still learned several new > things in it. > > I highly recommend this book to everyone, beginner and expert alike and > strongly recommend this book for anyone just getting started. It is well > written and worth every penny. When you get the Data Resource book, get > this one too and read it first. > > Amazon has it here > > e=UTF8&psc=1 > > > I have never met or spoken to Ruth even though she posts on this forum from > time to time. > > Thanks Ruth. > > Skip > |
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Thanks very much, Skip, for the information. Sounds like a great book.
I haven't done Java since Struts 1.x, so I'll need to shake off some language rust (not the language Rust but just plain old ordinary language rust). On 16-08-05 03:27 PM, Skip wrote: > There have been significant changes since this book was written. However, > it covers topics where very little would need to be added to make it > current. It does not cover the code in the applications tree where a great > deal has changed. It focuses on the framework which is what you really want > when you are making new applications for hot-deploy. I think with this > book, you are well prepared to write new applications assuming previous Java > experience. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Thorner [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:00 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: Ofbiz Cookbook > > > Thank you for the recommendation. I read Ms. Hoffman's "OFBiz Ecommerce > Out-Of-The-Box" as a primer of sorts, and based on that positive > experience will consider saving my pennies so I can purchase her OFBiz > cookbook. > > Is there any reason to anticipate a need for an updated edition? Have > there been many significant changes to OFBiz (or its complementary > considerations like data modeling strategies) since 2010? > > > > On 16-08-05 10:55 AM, Skip wrote: >> I just got finished reading Apache OFBiz Cookbook (Open Source: Community >> Experience Distilled) by Ruth Hoffman. >> >> I have been writing Ofbiz code since before it was an Apache project. > This >> book would have saved me six months of digging through Ofbiz code and >> inspite of my nearly a decade of experience, I still learned several new >> things in it. >> >> I highly recommend this book to everyone, beginner and expert alike and >> strongly recommend this book for anyone just getting started. It is well >> written and worth every penny. When you get the Data Resource book, get >> this one too and read it first. >> >> Amazon has it here >> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1847199186/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?i >> e=UTF8&psc=1 >> >> >> I have never met or spoken to Ruth even though she posts on this forum > from >> time to time. >> >> Thanks Ruth. >> >> Skip >> > |
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It has been passed 6 yrs, but Kindle version costs $17. I wonder, If the author (not publisher) still earns money on sales of the book? > 06.08.2016, 5:15:23 пользователь Todd Thorner ([hidden email]) написал: > > Thanks very much, Skip, for the information. Sounds like a great book. > I haven't done Java since Struts 1.x, so I'll need to shake off some > language rust (not the language Rust but just plain old ordinary > language rust). > > On 16-08-05 03:27 PM, Skip wrote: > > There have been significant changes since this book was written. However, > > it covers topics where very little would need to be added to make it > > current. It does not cover the code in the applications tree where a great > > deal has changed. It focuses on the framework which is what you really want > > when you are making new applications for hot-deploy. I think with this > > book, you are well prepared to write new applications assuming previous Java > > experience. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd Thorner [mailto:[hidden email]] > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:00 PM > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: Re: Ofbiz Cookbook > > > > > > Thank you for the recommendation. I read Ms. Hoffman's "OFBiz Ecommerce > > Out-Of-The-Box" as a primer of sorts, and based on that positive > > experience will consider saving my pennies so I can purchase her OFBiz > > cookbook. > > > > Is there any reason to anticipate a need for an updated edition? Have > > there been many significant changes to OFBiz (or its complementary > > considerations like data modeling strategies) since 2010? > > > > > > > > On 16-08-05 10:55 AM, Skip wrote: > >> I just got finished reading Apache OFBiz Cookbook (Open Source: Community > >> Experience Distilled) by Ruth Hoffman. > >> > >> I have been writing Ofbiz code since before it was an Apache project. > > This > >> book would have saved me six months of digging through Ofbiz code and > >> inspite of my nearly a decade of experience, I still learned several new > >> things in it. > >> > >> I highly recommend this book to everyone, beginner and expert alike and > >> strongly recommend this book for anyone just getting started. It is well > >> written and worth every penny. When you get the Data Resource book, get > >> this one too and read it first. > >> > >> Amazon has it here > >> > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1847199186/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?i > >> e=UTF8&psc=1 > >> > >> > >> I have never met or spoken to Ruth even though she posts on this forum > > from > >> time to time. > >> > >> Thanks Ruth. > >> > >> Skip > >> > > > > |
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Hi Skip,
thanks for sharing. I completely agree with you on your opinion about the books. We did a project together with Ruth before she left the community and I said before that I think it is a shame that the community wasn't able to value her contribution for what it is. Just like Rupert Howell's book, which i can also highly recommend, the book is the standard textbook for all new ofbiz developers and we recommend it to all customers we train. Perhaps you would also be interested in checking out the Scipio documentation: http://www.scipioerp.com/community/developer/architecture/ We try to maintain an easy to understand guideline that should be suitable for beginners. I would love to hear your feedback on it. Regards, Paul |
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I took the time to scan your link, but did not get into an in-depth perusal of it. At first glance, it is a fine overview, but in my opinion, not nearly complete enough for a new user. For this, I think Ruth's book is much more useful. I do like your decision to replace all the minilang services. I too have slowly been replacing them for my installations. On the other hand, I really like minilang screens for simple backend stuff. You can write them much more quickly than ftl so long as they are simple. I also really like your new ftl macros. I have been using the opentaps macros for a long time and I think yours are significantly better especially in their granularity and ability to support more display device types. I think Obbiz would greatly benefit if you considered contributing them back to the Obbiz project. Having said that, I am not sure there would be a consensus on the shift back to ftl. So many of the active contributors seem to like minilang. I think that is one of the reasons Si Chen started opentaps. I completely missed seeing that Ruth had moved on. That is sad. But hopefully, she is still getting royalities for her work. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Paul Piper [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:53 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Ofbiz Cookbook Hi Skip, thanks for sharing. I completely agree with you on your opinion about the books. We did a project together with Ruth before she left the community and I said before that I think it is a shame that the community wasn't able to value her contribution for what it is. Just like Rupert Howell's book, which i can also highly recommend, the book is the standard textbook for all new ofbiz developers and we recommend it to all customers we train. Perhaps you would also be interested in checking out the Scipio documentation: http://www.scipioerp.com/community/developer/architecture/ We try to maintain an easy to understand guideline that should be suitable for beginners. I would love to hear your feedback on it. Regards, Paul -- View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690671.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
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Skip,
I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community, though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and though there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto for creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather invest the time into proper java or groovy code. As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of macros and will hence create the same HTML & classes as are defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl. That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as we move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;) Cheers, Paul |
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I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through
with a debugger. Regards Scott On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Skip, > > I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community, > though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I > learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and though > there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto for > creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather invest > the time into proper java or groovy code. > > As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we > streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of > macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are > defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We > relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not > always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl. > > That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as we > move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that > neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus > adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on > trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;) > > Cheers, > Paul > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble. > com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html > Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > |
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Very interesting discussion. What paul has mentioned is making perfect
sense. Best regards, Pranay Pandey HotWax Systems http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/ On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Paul Piper <[hidden email]> wrote: > Skip, > > I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community, > though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I > learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and though > there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto for > creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather invest > the time into proper java or groovy code. > > As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we > streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of > macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are > defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We > relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not > always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl. > > That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as we > move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that > neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus > adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on > trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;) > > Cheers, > Paul > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble. > com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html > Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > |
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I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang is not
only difficult to debug but also overly verbose. However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because of the ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the statements. This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we did not provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate for an alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is comprehensively documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very important for many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> wrote: > I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through > with a debugger. > > Regards > Scott > > On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Skip, > > > > I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community, > > though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I > > learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and > though > > there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto > for > > creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather > invest > > the time into proper java or groovy code. > > > > As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we > > streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of > > macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are > > defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We > > relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not > > always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl. > > > > That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as > we > > move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that > > neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus > > adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on > > trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;) > > > > Cheers, > > Paul > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble. > > com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html > > Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > |
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... For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;) Cheers, Paul I couldn't agree more Paul. Everyone we hire has to learn minilang and it does indeed significantly add to the learning curve. |
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I think Jacopo has more to say about that :) https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic Jacques Le 09/08/2016 à 19:11, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : > I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang is not > only difficult to debug but also overly verbose. > > However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because of the > ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the statements. > This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we did not > provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate for an > alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is comprehensively > documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very important for > many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through >> with a debugger. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Skip, >>> >>> I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community, >>> though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I >>> learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and >> though >>> there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto >> for >>> creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather >> invest >>> the time into proper java or groovy code. >>> >>> As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we >>> streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of >>> macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are >>> defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We >>> relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not >>> always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl. >>> >>> That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as >> we >>> move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that >>> neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus >>> adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on >>> trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble. >>> com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html >>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> |
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+1 Indeed, and moreover in the wiki page you link, there is autocompletion configuration in IDE Integration part. Thanks Gil Le 12/08/2016 à 12:13, Jacques Le Roux
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Yes, and I believe, when we will have worked out Gradle stuff (at least: finishing it, adding plugins, correctly documenting the whole) we should
gather to work on this and slowly replace/improve the old good Minilang Could be the R17 main task? Jacques Le 12/08/2016 à 12:34, gil portenseigne a écrit : > > +1 > > Indeed, and moreover in the wiki page you link, there is autocompletion configuration in IDE Integration part. > > Thanks > > Gil > > > Le 12/08/2016 à 12:13, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : >> +1 >> >> I think Jacopo has more to say about that :) >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic >> >> Jacques >> >> >> Le 09/08/2016 à 19:11, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : >>> I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang is not >>> only difficult to debug but also overly verbose. >>> >>> However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because of the >>> ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the statements. >>> This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we did not >>> provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate for an >>> alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is comprehensively >>> documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very important for >>> many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through >>>> with a debugger. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Skip, >>>>> >>>>> I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community, >>>>> though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I >>>>> learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and >>>> though >>>>> there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto >>>> for >>>>> creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather >>>> invest >>>>> the time into proper java or groovy code. >>>>> >>>>> As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we >>>>> streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of >>>>> macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are >>>>> defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We >>>>> relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not >>>>> always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl. >>>>> >>>>> That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as >>>> we >>>>> move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that >>>>> neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus >>>>> adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on >>>>> trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble. >>>>> com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html >>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >> > |
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On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 > > I think Jacopo has more to say about that :) > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+ > DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic > > Jacques > > OFBiz", for which we have in trunk a "plugin" for Eclipse and IntelliJ (that provides autocompletion); and start converting existing Minilang code to it. Jacopo |
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Yes i like this plan :)
Gil Le 12/08/2016 à 13:26, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : > Yes, and I believe, when we will have worked out Gradle stuff (at > least: finishing it, adding plugins, correctly documenting the whole) > we should gather to work on this and slowly replace/improve the old > good Minilang > > Could be the R17 main task? > > Jacques > > > Le 12/08/2016 à 12:34, gil portenseigne a écrit : >> >> +1 >> >> Indeed, and moreover in the wiki page you link, there is >> autocompletion configuration in IDE Integration part. >> >> Thanks >> >> Gil >> >> >> Le 12/08/2016 à 12:13, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : >>> +1 >>> >>> I think Jacopo has more to say about that :) >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic >>> >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> Le 09/08/2016 à 19:11, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : >>>> I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang >>>> is not >>>> only difficult to debug but also overly verbose. >>>> >>>> However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because >>>> of the >>>> ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the >>>> statements. >>>> This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we >>>> did not >>>> provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate >>>> for an >>>> alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is >>>> comprehensively >>>> documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very >>>> important for >>>> many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray >>>> <[hidden email]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step >>>>> through >>>>> with a debugger. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Skip, >>>>>> >>>>>> I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the >>>>>> community, >>>>>> though luckily with your own projects you can set your own >>>>>> standards. I >>>>>> learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and >>>>> though >>>>>> there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or >>>>>> entity-auto >>>>> for >>>>>> creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather >>>>> invest >>>>>> the time into proper java or groovy code. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting >>>>>> that we >>>>>> streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying >>>>>> set of >>>>>> macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes >>>>>> as are >>>>>> defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they >>>>>> can. We >>>>>> relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens >>>>>> alot, as not >>>>>> always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl. >>>>>> >>>>>> That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl >>>>>> logic as >>>>> we >>>>>> move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end >>>>>> is that >>>>>> neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project >>>>>> and thus >>>>>> adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather >>>>>> rely on >>>>>> trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Paul >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble. >>>>>> com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html >>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>> >>> >> > > |
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On Aug 13, 2016 10:18 AM, "gil portenseigne" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Yes i like this plan :) > > Gil > > Le 12/08/2016 à 13:26, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : > >> Yes, and I believe, when we will have worked out Gradle stuff (at least: >> finishing it, adding plugins, correctly documenting the whole) we should >> gather to work on this and slowly replace/improve the old good Minilang >> >> Could be the R17 main task? >> >> Jacques >> >> >> Le 12/08/2016 à 12:34, gil portenseigne a écrit : >> >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> Indeed, and moreover in the wiki page you link, there is autocompletion >>> configuration in IDE Integration part. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Gil >>> >>> >>> Le 12/08/2016 à 12:13, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> I think Jacopo has more to say about that :) >>>> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+ >>>> DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 09/08/2016 à 19:11, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : >>>> >>>>> I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang is >>>>> not >>>>> only difficult to debug but also overly verbose. >>>>> >>>>> However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because of >>>>> the >>>>> ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the >>>>> statements. >>>>> This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we did >>>>> not >>>>> provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate >>>>> for an >>>>> alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is >>>>> comprehensively >>>>> documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very important >>>>> for >>>>> many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray < >>>>> [hidden email]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through >>>>>> with a debugger. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Skip, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the >>>>>>> community, >>>>>>> though luckily with your own projects you can set your own >>>>>>> standards. I >>>>>>> learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and >>>>>>> >>>>>> though >>>>>> >>>>>>> there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or >>>>>>> entity-auto >>>>>>> >>>>>> for >>>>>> >>>>>>> creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather >>>>>>> >>>>>> invest >>>>>> >>>>>>> the time into proper java or groovy code. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. >>>>>>> We >>>>>>> relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, >>>>>>> as not >>>>>>> always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> >>>>>> we >>>>>> >>>>>>> move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and >>>>>>> thus >>>>>>> adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather >>>>>>> rely on >>>>>>> trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble. >>>>>>> com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html >>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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