PMC/Committer resignation

[Mathieu Lirzin]

Hello,

As of today, I am resigning from my PMC and Committer role.

My initial involvement with OFBiz started in April 2018 as an internship
in the Néréide team to work on the support RESTful Web APIs.  While
working on that topic I discovered soon enough that this objective would
take a very long time to achieve because of the huge technical debt that
has grown over time in the framework internals.  Moreover I have
observed that my colleagues were swamped in the accidental complexity of
OFBiz (polyglot programming model, cumbersome DSLs, weak typing, ...)
which is impacting negatively their ability to deliver value to their
client.

Following those observations, I have spent a huge amount of my time
(including my weekends) trying to understand, remove, refactor existing
code to improve OFBiz simplicity which is a pre-requisite for staying
relevant in the future.

The recent events/discussions lead me to the conclusion that my efforts
towards the goal of simplifying OFBiz will simply not be able to succeed
due of the required slow review process and the global lack of
interest/consensus on that topic.

As a consequence I am unable to continue to participate positively in
this community anymore.

Kind regards,

--
Mathieu Lirzin
GPG: F2A3 8D7E EB2B 6640 5761  070D 0ADE E100 9460 4D37

[Nicolas Malin-2]

It's sad new that you sharing.

This community lose with your resignation huge skill to move forward.

Nicolas

On 22/02/2020 12:35, Mathieu Lirzin wrote:

> Hello,
>
> As of today, I am resigning from my PMC and Committer role.
>
> My initial involvement with OFBiz started in April 2018 as an internship
> in the Néréide team to work on the support RESTful Web APIs.  While
> working on that topic I discovered soon enough that this objective would
> take a very long time to achieve because of the huge technical debt that
> has grown over time in the framework internals.  Moreover I have
> observed that my colleagues were swamped in the accidental complexity of
> OFBiz (polyglot programming model, cumbersome DSLs, weak typing, ...)
> which is impacting negatively their ability to deliver value to their
> client.
>
> Following those observations, I have spent a huge amount of my time
> (including my weekends) trying to understand, remove, refactor existing
> code to improve OFBiz simplicity which is a pre-requisite for staying
> relevant in the future.
>
> The recent events/discussions lead me to the conclusion that my efforts
> towards the goal of simplifying OFBiz will simply not be able to succeed
> due of the required slow review process and the global lack of
> interest/consensus on that topic.
>
> As a consequence I am unable to continue to participate positively in
> this community anymore.
>
> Kind regards,
>

[Gil Portenseigne]

I second Nicolas opinion. I hope that we will evolve and that will allow
you to come back in the community in the future.

Let me thank you again for your time and kind help.

Gil

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 02:51:28PM +0100, Nicolas Malin wrote:

> It's sad new that you sharing.
>
> This community lose with your resignation huge skill to move forward.
>
> Nicolas
>
> On 22/02/2020 12:35, Mathieu Lirzin wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > As of today, I am resigning from my PMC and Committer role.
> >
> > My initial involvement with OFBiz started in April 2018 as an internship
> > in the Néréide team to work on the support RESTful Web APIs.  While
> > working on that topic I discovered soon enough that this objective would
> > take a very long time to achieve because of the huge technical debt that
> > has grown over time in the framework internals.  Moreover I have
> > observed that my colleagues were swamped in the accidental complexity of
> > OFBiz (polyglot programming model, cumbersome DSLs, weak typing, ...)
> > which is impacting negatively their ability to deliver value to their
> > client.
> >
> > Following those observations, I have spent a huge amount of my time
> > (including my weekends) trying to understand, remove, refactor existing
> > code to improve OFBiz simplicity which is a pre-requisite for staying
> > relevant in the future.
> >
> > The recent events/discussions lead me to the conclusion that my efforts
> > towards the goal of simplifying OFBiz will simply not be able to succeed
> > due of the required slow review process and the global lack of
> > interest/consensus on that topic.
> >
> > As a consequence I am unable to continue to participate positively in
> > this community anymore.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >

pub   RSA 3072/ECF12FF4 2019-12-16 Nicolas Malin <[hidden email]>
> sub   RSA 3072/40C9B367 2019-12-16
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

Hi Mathieu,

this is just to inform you that your resignation is effective and we will
soon update our records to reflect this change: there is a window of 72
hours for you to withdraw the resignation ([*]), so I am going to complete
these tasks after this time is expired.
Thanks for articulating your point of view, personal experience and reasons
that led you to this decision and most of all thank you for your
contributions to this project.
If, in the future, you will change your mind about your membership, feel
free to contact the PMC (at [hidden email]).

Best regards,

Jacopo

[*] https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#resign


On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 12:37 PM Mathieu Lirzin <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> As of today, I am resigning from my PMC and Committer role.
>
> My initial involvement with OFBiz started in April 2018 as an internship
> in the Néréide team to work on the support RESTful Web APIs.  While
> working on that topic I discovered soon enough that this objective would
> take a very long time to achieve because of the huge technical debt that
> has grown over time in the framework internals.  Moreover I have
> observed that my colleagues were swamped in the accidental complexity of
> OFBiz (polyglot programming model, cumbersome DSLs, weak typing, ...)
> which is impacting negatively their ability to deliver value to their
> client.
>
> Following those observations, I have spent a huge amount of my time
> (including my weekends) trying to understand, remove, refactor existing
> code to improve OFBiz simplicity which is a pre-requisite for staying
> relevant in the future.
>
> The recent events/discussions lead me to the conclusion that my efforts
> towards the goal of simplifying OFBiz will simply not be able to succeed
> due of the required slow review process and the global lack of
> interest/consensus on that topic.
>
> As a consequence I am unable to continue to participate positively in
> this community anymore.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> --
> Mathieu Lirzin
> GPG: F2A3 8D7E EB2B 6640 5761  070D 0ADE E100 9460 4D37
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Mathieu, All,

It's a heartbreaking news indeed.

We all followed progress the project made when you were active Mathieu. I for one was hoping much from your changes.

Your departure will be a big loss not only for the project future but also for the community!

I'm sad that "community over code" did not prevail.

That we did not get to a consensus, notably when it was about changes having no direct impact to the OOTB code.

Clearly, the failure is from the community not yours. I take my part of responsibility.

Jacques

Le 24/02/2020 à 10:07, Gil Portenseigne a écrit :

> I second Nicolas opinion. I hope that we will evolve and that will allow
> you to come back in the community in the future.
>
> Let me thank you again for your time and kind help.
>
> Gil
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 02:51:28PM +0100, Nicolas Malin wrote:
>> It's sad new that you sharing.
>>
>> This community lose with your resignation huge skill to move forward.
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
>> On 22/02/2020 12:35, Mathieu Lirzin wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As of today, I am resigning from my PMC and Committer role.
>>>
>>> My initial involvement with OFBiz started in April 2018 as an internship
>>> in the Néréide team to work on the support RESTful Web APIs.  While
>>> working on that topic I discovered soon enough that this objective would
>>> take a very long time to achieve because of the huge technical debt that
>>> has grown over time in the framework internals.  Moreover I have
>>> observed that my colleagues were swamped in the accidental complexity of
>>> OFBiz (polyglot programming model, cumbersome DSLs, weak typing, ...)
>>> which is impacting negatively their ability to deliver value to their
>>> client.
>>>
>>> Following those observations, I have spent a huge amount of my time
>>> (including my weekends) trying to understand, remove, refactor existing
>>> code to improve OFBiz simplicity which is a pre-requisite for staying
>>> relevant in the future.
>>>
>>> The recent events/discussions lead me to the conclusion that my efforts
>>> towards the goal of simplifying OFBiz will simply not be able to succeed
>>> due of the required slow review process and the global lack of
>>> interest/consensus on that topic.
>>>
>>> As a consequence I am unable to continue to participate positively in
>>> this community anymore.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
> pub   RSA 3072/ECF12FF4 2019-12-16 Nicolas Malin <[hidden email]>
>> sub   RSA 3072/40C9B367 2019-12-16
>>