[PROPOSAL] Restructure OFBiz Wiki

[Michael Brohl-3]

Dear all,

according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to
restructure our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to me
that we have a lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly. I am
not surprised that users have serious problems to dig through all this
stuff which is cluttered all over the different spaces.

There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well
worth to work on it.

The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.

I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map. It's
only the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.

I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd like
to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed next steps:

1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after
review, discussion and related changes).
2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or has
no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are overhead
and everything should be moved under [2].
    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track with
no decision on the base topic.
5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure (divide,
join, delete,...)

The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or even do
proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main structure and
move on from there? This would make the process much more efficient.

What do you think?

Best regards,

Michael Brohl
ecomify GmbH
www.ecomify.de

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
[2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
[3]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d37d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E

[Sharan-F]

Hi Michael

I think the re-structuring our wiki is a task that is long overdue :-).
We know that it is a very big task but in order to improve and provide
organised content for the community, we just need to start. I agree with
your points that the wiki would be better organised similar to our old
OFBiz wiki or the Camel project. My view is that you present your
general restructuring proposal / mindmap so that we can discuss and
agree what the main high level structure will look like. After that I
don't think discussing every move will work, I think we should just do
the work to get it done.

I like your attic idea as I'm sure there will be things that are either
outdated or generally won't fit anywhere.

Also this could be a great initiative to get contributors involved that
are non coders too!

Thanks
Sharan

On 28/05/17 21:52, Michael Brohl wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to
> restructure our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to
> me that we have a lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly. I
> am not surprised that users have serious problems to dig through all
> this stuff which is cluttered all over the different spaces.
>
> There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well
> worth to work on it.
>
> The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.
>
> I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map. It's
> only the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.
>
> I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd
> like to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed next
> steps:
>
> 1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after
> review, discussion and related changes).
> 2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or
> has no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
> 3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
> 4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are overhead
> and everything should be moved under [2].
>    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track with
> no decision on the base topic.
> 5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure (divide,
> join, delete,...)
>
> The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or even
> do proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main structure
> and move on from there? This would make the process much more efficient.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael Brohl
> ecomify GmbH
> www.ecomify.de
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
> [3]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d37d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
>
>

[Michael Brohl-3]

Thank you Sharan for your feedback!

I forgot to mention that I have attached the mind map to the Jira [1].

Thanks,

Michael Brohl
ecomify GmbH
www.ecomify.de

Am 29.05.17 um 09:11 schrieb Sharan Foga:

> Hi Michael
>
> I think the re-structuring our wiki is a task that is long overdue
> :-). We know that it is a very big task but in order to improve and
> provide organised content for the community, we just need to start. I
> agree with your points that the wiki would be better organised similar
> to our old OFBiz wiki or the Camel project. My view is that you
> present your general restructuring proposal / mindmap so that we can
> discuss and agree what the main high level structure will look like.
> After that I don't think discussing every move will work, I think we
> should just do the work to get it done.
>
> I like your attic idea as I'm sure there will be things that are
> either outdated or generally won't fit anywhere.
>
> Also this could be a great initiative to get contributors involved
> that are non coders too!
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
> On 28/05/17 21:52, Michael Brohl wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to
>> restructure our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to
>> me that we have a lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly. I
>> am not surprised that users have serious problems to dig through all
>> this stuff which is cluttered all over the different spaces.
>>
>> There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well
>> worth to work on it.
>>
>> The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.
>>
>> I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map. It's
>> only the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.
>>
>> I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd
>> like to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed next
>> steps:
>>
>> 1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after
>> review, discussion and related changes).
>> 2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or
>> has no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
>> 3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
>> 4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are overhead
>> and everything should be moved under [2].
>>    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track with
>> no decision on the base topic.
>> 5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure
>> (divide, join, delete,...)
>>
>> The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or even
>> do proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main structure
>> and move on from there? This would make the process much more efficient.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Michael Brohl
>> ecomify GmbH
>> www.ecomify.de
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
>> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
>> [3]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d37d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
>>
>>
>

[taher]

I see this mind-map and think to myself there is good effort done in
thinking about it.

+1 to proceed with changes based on what's there. In my opinion, we
shouldn't worry too much about agreeing on structure. Our current wiki is
in a bad shape and any work done on it is better than keeping it as is.

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Thank you Sharan for your feedback!
>
> I forgot to mention that I have attached the mind map to the Jira [1].
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael Brohl
> ecomify GmbH
> www.ecomify.de
>
> Am 29.05.17 um 09:11 schrieb Sharan Foga:
>
> Hi Michael
>>
>> I think the re-structuring our wiki is a task that is long overdue :-).
>> We know that it is a very big task but in order to improve and provide
>> organised content for the community, we just need to start. I agree with
>> your points that the wiki would be better organised similar to our old
>> OFBiz wiki or the Camel project. My view is that you present your general
>> restructuring proposal / mindmap so that we can discuss and agree what the
>> main high level structure will look like. After that I don't think
>> discussing every move will work, I think we should just do the work to get
>> it done.
>>
>> I like your attic idea as I'm sure there will be things that are either
>> outdated or generally won't fit anywhere.
>>
>> Also this could be a great initiative to get contributors involved that
>> are non coders too!
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>> On 28/05/17 21:52, Michael Brohl wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to
>>> restructure our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to me
>>> that we have a lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly. I am not
>>> surprised that users have serious problems to dig through all this stuff
>>> which is cluttered all over the different spaces.
>>>
>>> There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well
>>> worth to work on it.
>>>
>>> The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.
>>>
>>> I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map. It's
>>> only the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.
>>>
>>> I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd like
>>> to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed next steps:
>>>
>>> 1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after
>>> review, discussion and related changes).
>>> 2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or has
>>> no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
>>> 3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
>>> 4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are overhead
>>> and everything should be moved under [2].
>>>    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track with no
>>> decision on the base topic.
>>> 5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure (divide,
>>> join, delete,...)
>>>
>>> The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or even do
>>> proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main structure and move
>>> on from there? This would make the process much more efficient.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Michael Brohl
>>> ecomify GmbH
>>> www.ecomify.de
>>>
>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
>>> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
>>> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d3
>>> 7d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-5]

Thank you Michael,

I second your proposal!

Jacopo

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to restructure
> our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to me that we have a
> lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly. I am not surprised that
> users have serious problems to dig through all this stuff which is
> cluttered all over the different spaces.
>
> There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well worth
> to work on it.
>
> The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.
>
> I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map. It's only
> the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.
>
> I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd like
> to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed next steps:
>
> 1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after review,
> discussion and related changes).
> 2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or has
> no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
> 3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
> 4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are overhead and
> everything should be moved under [2].
>    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track with no
> decision on the base topic.
> 5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure (divide,
> join, delete,...)
>
> The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or even do
> proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main structure and move
> on from there? This would make the process much more efficient.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael Brohl
> ecomify GmbH
> www.ecomify.de
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d3
> 7d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
>
>
>

[Sharan-F]

Hi Michael

I've taken a look at the your mind map structure in the Jira and I think
it's good. So +1 from me to go ahead with the proposal.

Thanks
Sharan

On 29/05/17 10:20, Michael Brohl wrote:

> Thank you Sharan for your feedback!
>
> I forgot to mention that I have attached the mind map to the Jira [1].
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael Brohl
> ecomify GmbH
> www.ecomify.de
>
> Am 29.05.17 um 09:11 schrieb Sharan Foga:
>> Hi Michael
>>
>> I think the re-structuring our wiki is a task that is long overdue
>> :-). We know that it is a very big task but in order to improve and
>> provide organised content for the community, we just need to start. I
>> agree with your points that the wiki would be better organised
>> similar to our old OFBiz wiki or the Camel project. My view is that
>> you present your general restructuring proposal / mindmap so that we
>> can discuss and agree what the main high level structure will look
>> like. After that I don't think discussing every move will work, I
>> think we should just do the work to get it done.
>>
>> I like your attic idea as I'm sure there will be things that are
>> either outdated or generally won't fit anywhere.
>>
>> Also this could be a great initiative to get contributors involved
>> that are non coders too!
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>> On 28/05/17 21:52, Michael Brohl wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to
>>> restructure our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to
>>> me that we have a lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly.
>>> I am not surprised that users have serious problems to dig through
>>> all this stuff which is cluttered all over the different spaces.
>>>
>>> There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well
>>> worth to work on it.
>>>
>>> The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.
>>>
>>> I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map.
>>> It's only the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.
>>>
>>> I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd
>>> like to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed
>>> next steps:
>>>
>>> 1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after
>>> review, discussion and related changes).
>>> 2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or
>>> has no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
>>> 3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
>>> 4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are
>>> overhead and everything should be moved under [2].
>>>    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track
>>> with no decision on the base topic.
>>> 5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure
>>> (divide, join, delete,...)
>>>
>>> The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or
>>> even do proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main
>>> structure and move on from there? This would make the process much
>>> more efficient.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Michael Brohl
>>> ecomify GmbH
>>> www.ecomify.de
>>>
>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
>>> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
>>> [3]
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d37d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Michael Brohl-3]

Hi Jacques,

thanks for your response whicjh I think should go to the dev list, right?

Best regards,

Michael Brohl
ecomify GmbH
www.ecomify.de


Am 30.05.17 um 19:33 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:

> Hi Michael,
>
> I quickly reviewed your mindmap. I understand it's just a start and I
> mostly agree about its content.
>
> To ease the work, I agree we can begin by (ab)using of deletion
> because anyway it's easy to restore a page from the trashcan (as long
> as we don't empty it). But only when someone really care, with some
> good reasons.
>
> I did not read again the thread on the several spaces, but IIRW we
> mostly agreed about merging almost all in the (open) wiki.
>
> I had a (vague) thought about loosely following the same structure
> than the new site, but I did not think enough about it.
>
> So yes, maybe we still need to agree about the main structure and you
> did a very good start!
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 28/05/2017 à 21:52, Michael Brohl a écrit :
>> Dear all,
>>
>> according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to
>> restructure our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to
>> me that we have a lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly. I
>> am not surprised that users have serious problems to dig through all
>> this stuff which is cluttered all over the different spaces.
>>
>> There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well
>> worth to work on it.
>>
>> The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.
>>
>> I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map. It's
>> only the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.
>>
>> I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd
>> like to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed next
>> steps:
>>
>> 1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after
>> review, discussion and related changes).
>> 2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or
>> has no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
>> 3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
>> 4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are overhead
>> and everything should be moved under [2].
>>    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track with
>> no decision on the base topic.
>> 5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure
>> (divide, join, delete,...)
>>
>> The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or even
>> do proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main structure
>> and move on from there? This would make the process much more efficient.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Michael Brohl
>> ecomify GmbH
>> www.ecomify.de
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
>> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
>> [3]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d37d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
>>
>>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Yes thanks Michael,

My Thunderbird setting suddenly changed when I upgraded to the 52.1.1 version.

I have to remind that by default it no longer answers to the ML but the original writer. So I have to change by hand each time. I did not find what
changed yet :/

Jacques


Le 30/05/2017 à 21:12, Michael Brohl a écrit :

> Hi Jacques,
>
> thanks for your response whicjh I think should go to the dev list, right?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael Brohl
> ecomify GmbH
> www.ecomify.de
>
>
> Am 30.05.17 um 19:33 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I quickly reviewed your mindmap. I understand it's just a start and I mostly agree about its content.
>>
>> To ease the work, I agree we can begin by (ab)using of deletion because anyway it's easy to restore a page from the trashcan (as long as we don't
>> empty it). But only when someone really care, with some good reasons.
>>
>> I did not read again the thread on the several spaces, but IIRW we mostly agreed about merging almost all in the (open) wiki.
>>
>> I had a (vague) thought about loosely following the same structure than the new site, but I did not think enough about it.
>>
>> So yes, maybe we still need to agree about the main structure and you did a very good start!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Le 28/05/2017 à 21:52, Michael Brohl a écrit :
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to restructure our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to me that we have
>>> a lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly. I am not surprised that users have serious problems to dig through all this stuff which is
>>> cluttered all over the different spaces.
>>>
>>> There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well worth to work on it.
>>>
>>> The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.
>>>
>>> I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map. It's only the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.
>>>
>>> I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd like to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed next steps:
>>>
>>> 1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after review, discussion and related changes).
>>> 2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or has no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
>>> 3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
>>> 4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are overhead and everything should be moved under [2].
>>>    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track with no decision on the base topic.
>>> 5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure (divide, join, delete,...)
>>>
>>> The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or even do proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main structure and move
>>> on from there? This would make the process much more efficient.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Michael Brohl
>>> ecomify GmbH
>>> www.ecomify.de
>>>
>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
>>> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
>>> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d37d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

OK found it, there is a "reply to list" button available

Le 30/05/2017 à 22:44, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

> Yes thanks Michael,
>
> My Thunderbird setting suddenly changed when I upgraded to the 52.1.1 version.
>
> I have to remind that by default it no longer answers to the ML but the original writer. So I have to change by hand each time. I did not find what
> changed yet :/
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 30/05/2017 à 21:12, Michael Brohl a écrit :
>> Hi Jacques,
>>
>> thanks for your response whicjh I think should go to the dev list, right?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Michael Brohl
>> ecomify GmbH
>> www.ecomify.de
>>
>>
>> Am 30.05.17 um 19:33 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> I quickly reviewed your mindmap. I understand it's just a start and I mostly agree about its content.
>>>
>>> To ease the work, I agree we can begin by (ab)using of deletion because anyway it's easy to restore a page from the trashcan (as long as we don't
>>> empty it). But only when someone really care, with some good reasons.
>>>
>>> I did not read again the thread on the several spaces, but IIRW we mostly agreed about merging almost all in the (open) wiki.
>>>
>>> I had a (vague) thought about loosely following the same structure than the new site, but I did not think enough about it.
>>>
>>> So yes, maybe we still need to agree about the main structure and you did a very good start!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> Le 28/05/2017 à 21:52, Michael Brohl a écrit :
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to restructure our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to me that we
>>>> have a lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly. I am not surprised that users have serious problems to dig through all this stuff which
>>>> is cluttered all over the different spaces.
>>>>
>>>> There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well worth to work on it.
>>>>
>>>> The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.
>>>>
>>>> I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map. It's only the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd like to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed next steps:
>>>>
>>>> 1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after review, discussion and related changes).
>>>> 2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or has no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
>>>> 3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
>>>> 4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are overhead and everything should be moved under [2].
>>>>    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track with no decision on the base topic.
>>>> 5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure (divide, join, delete,...)
>>>>
>>>> The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or even do proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main structure and
>>>> move on from there? This would make the process much more efficient.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Michael Brohl
>>>> ecomify GmbH
>>>> www.ecomify.de
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
>>>> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
>>>> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d37d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Michael Brohl-3]

Hi Jacques,

inline...

>
>
> Am 30.05.17 um 19:33 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I quickly reviewed your mindmap. I understand it's just a start and I
>> mostly agree about its content.
>>
>> To ease the work, I agree we can begin by (ab)using of deletion
>> because anyway it's easy to restore a page from the trashcan (as long
>> as we don't empty it). But only when someone really care, with some
>> good reasons.

Not sure if we have the same understanding: I am proposing to move all
outdated and portentially obsolete ressources to some sub-page called
Attic or Outdated Resources. I am not proposing to delete them. I think
it's too dangerous if someone (accidently) purges the trash can and all
resources are gone.

>>
>> I did not read again the thread on the several spaces, but IIRW we
>> mostly agreed about merging almost all in the (open) wiki.
>>
>> I had a (vague) thought about loosely following the same structure
>> than the new site, but I did not think enough about it.
>>
>> So yes, maybe we still need to agree about the main structure and you
>> did a very good start!
Thanks, Jacques.

Regards,

Michael Brohl
ecomify GmbH
www.ecomify.de

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Michael,

Inline too


Le 31/05/2017 à 14:41, Michael Brohl a écrit :
> Hi Jacques,
>
> inline...
>
> Not sure if we have the same understanding: I am proposing to move all outdated and portentially obsolete ressources to some sub-page called Attic
> or Outdated Resources. I am not proposing to delete them. I think it's too dangerous if someone (accidently) purges the trash can and all resources
> are gone.

+1

Thanks

Jacques

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Michael,

Another link of interest https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Wiki+Reorganization+Proposal

There are certainly ideas there and another (more complicated) mindmap attached. This was in 2010...

Jacques


Le 28/05/2017 à 21:52, Michael Brohl a écrit :

> Dear all,
>
> according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to restructure our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to me that we have a
> lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly. I am not surprised that users have serious problems to dig through all this stuff which is
> cluttered all over the different spaces.
>
> There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well worth to work on it.
>
> The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.
>
> I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map. It's only the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.
>
> I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd like to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed next steps:
>
> 1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after review, discussion and related changes).
> 2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or has no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
> 3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
> 4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are overhead and everything should be moved under [2].
>    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track with no decision on the base topic.
> 5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure (divide, join, delete,...)
>
> The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or even do proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main structure and move
> on from there? This would make the process much more efficient.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael Brohl
> ecomify GmbH
> www.ecomify.de
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d37d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
>
>

[Michael Brohl-3]

Hi Jacques,

thanks for the link. I will take the ideas there into account.

The Mind Map, at first glance, seems to be a representation of the pages
which exists at the time of writing. It's huge and shows the amount of
work which lies before us just to restructure and consolidate the
material we have. Not to mention the necessary effort to review and
update the content...

It will be much clearer if we have a structure and see what's there.

Thanks,

Michael Brohl
ecomify GmbH
www.ecomify.de


Am 31.05.17 um 18:56 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:

> Hi Michael,
>
> Another link of interest
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Wiki+Reorganization+Proposal
>
> There are certainly ideas there and another (more complicated) mindmap
> attached. This was in 2010...
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 28/05/2017 à 21:52, Michael Brohl a écrit :
>> Dear all,
>>
>> according to OFBIZ-9171 [1] I am trying to get some ground to
>> restructure our wiki pages. Digging deeper, it becomes more clear to
>> me that we have a lot of todos to get this clean and user friendly. I
>> am not surprised that users have serious problems to dig through all
>> this stuff which is cluttered all over the different spaces.
>>
>> There is some good documentation buried there and I think it is well
>> worth to work on it.
>>
>> The changes will be huge, I think, and I'm not sure how to start.
>>
>> I tried to work out some basic ideas and put them in a mind map. It's
>> only the tip of the iceberg but it could be a start.
>>
>> I think it's too much work to do this for alle pages we have so I'd
>> like to ask you about your opinions about the following proposed next
>> steps:
>>
>> 1. make the basic structure based on the mind map proposal (after
>> review, discussion and related changes).
>> 2. move everything to Attic/ Outdated Resources which is outdated or
>> has no substantial content. This can be reviewed and revived later.
>> 3. move all subpages to the corresponding main areas
>> 4. think about the use of different spaces. I think they are overhead
>> and everything should be moved under [2].
>>    See also Jacopo's proposal on [3], which went a bit off-track with
>> no decision on the base topic.
>> 5. review and rewrite the contents to match the new structure
>> (divide, join, delete,...)
>>
>> The main question I have is: do we have to discuss every move or even
>> do proposals beforehand or can we just decide on the main structure
>> and move on from there? This would make the process much more efficient.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Michael Brohl
>> ecomify GmbH
>> www.ecomify.de
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9171
>> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Home
>> [3]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/213b00513d1b223863bc7d37d4497e125e38b51115905dfa258e4e64@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
>>
>>
>