Policy about supported releases

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi,

I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on 4.0. But
this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For instance
it's now hard to backport things there.

We could take Tomcat policy as an example:

> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
> will end on 30 September 2012.
>
> This means that after 30 September 2012:
> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
> branch
>
> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
> tomcat.apache.org
> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>
> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>
> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
> before 30 September 2012.

Thoughts?

Jacques

[Jacques Le Roux]

I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that we can't
reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily

So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>

> Hi,
>
> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on 4.0.
> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For
> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>
> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>
>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>>
>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
>> branch
>>
>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>> tomcat.apache.org
>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>>
>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>>
>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>> before 30 September 2012.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jacques
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

I can't believe nobody is interested in this?

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>

> I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that we
> can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily
>
> So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on 4.0.
>> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For
>> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>>
>> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>>
>>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
>>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>>>
>>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
>>> branch
>>>
>>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>>> tomcat.apache.org
>>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>>>
>>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>>>
>>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>>> before 30 September 2012.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>
>

[hans_bakker]

When you do not get a response in a reasonable time. I would suggest to
ahead with the subject as you proposed.

In general this is a fair statement, in practice providers will support
the customers independent of the version they use?

Regards,
Hans

On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:41 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> I can't believe nobody is interested in this?
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
> > I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that we
> > can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily
> >
> > So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on 4.0.
> >> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For
> >> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
> >>
> >> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
> >>
> >>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
> >>> will end on 30 September 2012.
> >>>
> >>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
> >>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
> >>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
> >>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
> >>> branch
> >>>
> >>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
> >>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
> >>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
> >>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
> >>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
> >>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
> >>> tomcat.apache.org
> >>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
> >>>
> >>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
> >>>
> >>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
> >>> before 30 September 2012.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >
> >

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[Jacques Le Roux]

Thanks Hans,

Yes of course this is only Apache OFBiz policy...

Jacques

From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>

> When you do not get a response in a reasonable time. I would suggest to
> ahead with the subject as you proposed.
>
> In general this is a fair statement, in practice providers will support
> the customers independent of the version they use?
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:41 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> I can't believe nobody is interested in this?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>> > I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that we
>> > can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily
>> >
>> > So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?
>> >
>> > Jacques
>> >
>> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on
>> >> 4.0.
>> >> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For
>> >> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>> >>
>> >> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>> >>
>> >>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
>> >>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>> >>>
>> >>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>> >>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>> >>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>> >>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
>> >>> branch
>> >>>
>> >>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>> >>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>> >>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>> >>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>> >>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>> >>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>> >>> tomcat.apache.org
>> >>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>> >>>
>> >>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>> >>> before 30 September 2012.
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Jacques
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
> --
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>

[David E. Jones-2]

Do we even have a policy about supporting releases, let alone a policy about which releases to support?

In other words, what can a user of Apache OFBiz expect to get as part of this "official" support?

-David


On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Thanks Hans,
>
> Yes of course this is only Apache OFBiz policy...
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>> When you do not get a response in a reasonable time. I would suggest to
>> ahead with the subject as you proposed.
>>
>> In general this is a fair statement, in practice providers will support
>> the customers independent of the version they use?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>>
>> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:41 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> I can't believe nobody is interested in this?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>>> > I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that we
>>> > can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily
>>> >
>>> > So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?
>>> >
>>> > Jacques
>>> >
>>> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on >> 4.0.
>>> >> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. For
>>> >> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>>> >>
>>> >> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>>> >>
>>> >>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
>>> >>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>>> >>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>>> >>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>>> >>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
>>> >>> branch
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>>> >>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>>> >>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>>> >>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>>> >>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>>> >>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>>> >>> tomcat.apache.org
>>> >>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>>> >>> before 30 September 2012.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thoughts?
>>> >>
>>> >> Jacques
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>
>> --
>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> Alternative ofbiz website: http://www.ofbiz.info
>> http://www.antwebsystems.com : Quality services for competitive rates.
>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

In my mind, it's only about bug fixes backport, nothing else.
I do as much as I can, but for instance it's a while now I don't do it for R4.0.
I want to make that clear and have a reference for users...

Jacques

From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]>

>
> Do we even have a policy about supporting releases, let alone a policy about which releases to support?
>
> In other words, what can a user of Apache OFBiz expect to get as part of this "official" support?
>
> -David
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Thanks Hans,
>>
>> Yes of course this is only Apache OFBiz policy...
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>>> When you do not get a response in a reasonable time. I would suggest to
>>> ahead with the subject as you proposed.
>>>
>>> In general this is a fair statement, in practice providers will support
>>> the customers independent of the version they use?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:41 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> I can't believe nobody is interested in this?
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>>>> > I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that
>>>> > we
>>>> > can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody can remember easily
>>>> >
>>>> > So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below, opinions?
>>>> >
>>>> > Jacques
>>>> >
>>>> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>>>> >> Hi,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported releases. There are still people asking for support on
>>>> >>  >> 4.0.
>>>> >> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the commiters still use it regularly and want to support it.
>>>> >> For
>>>> >> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat 5.5.x
>>>> >>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>>>> >>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>>>> >>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>>>> >>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the 5.5.x
>>>> >>> branch
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>>>> >>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>>>> >>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>>>> >>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>>>> >>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>>>> >>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>>>> >>> tomcat.apache.org
>>>> >>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the archive.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>>>> >>> before 30 September 2012.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thoughts?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jacques
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>> Alternative ofbiz website: http://www.ofbiz.info
>>> http://www.antwebsystems.com : Quality services for competitive rates.
>>
>>
>

[Bilgin Ibryam-2]

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Jacques Le Roux
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> In my mind, it's only about bug fixes backport, nothing else.
> I do as much as I can, but for instance it's a while now I don't do it for
> R4.0.
> I want to make that clear and have a reference for users...

+ 1

>
> Jacques
>
> From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Do we even have a policy about supporting releases, let alone a policy
>> about which releases to support?
>>
>> In other words, what can a user of Apache OFBiz expect to get as part of
>> this "official" support?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Hans,
>>>
>>> Yes of course this is only Apache OFBiz policy...
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>> When you do not get a response in a reasonable time. I would suggest to
>>>> ahead with the subject as you proposed.

yes, I think it is safe to assume "Lazy Consensus" in this case

>>>>
>>>> In general this is a fair statement, in practice providers will support
>>>> the customers independent of the version they use?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:41 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe nobody is interested in this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> > I'd simply suggest to not support releases older than 4 years... This
>>>>> > would be a perfect timing for R4.0 (was in 2007) that > we
>>>>> > can't reasonnably no longer support and is a simple policy anybody
>>>>> > can remember easily
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So we could annonce that officialy has did Tomcat team below,
>>>>> > opinions?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Jacques
>>>>> >
>>>>> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'd suggest that we define a simple official policy about supported
>>>>> >> releases. There are still people asking for support on >>  >> 4.0.
>>>>> >> But this version is more than 4 years old and I think any of the
>>>>> >> commiters still use it regularly and want to support it. >> For
>>>>> >> instance it's now hard to backport things there.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> We could take Tomcat policy as an example:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> The Apache Tomcat team announces that support for Apache Tomcat
>>>>> >>> 5.5.x
>>>>> >>> will end on 30 September 2012.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> This means that after 30 September 2012:
>>>>> >>> - releases from the 5.5.x branch are highly unlikely
>>>>> >>> - bugs affecting only the 5.5.x branch will not be addressed
>>>>> >>> - security vulnerability reports will not be checked against the
>>>>> >>> 5.5.x
>>>>> >>> branch
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Three months later (i.e. after 31 December 2012)
>>>>> >>> - the 5.5.x download pages will be removed
>>>>> >>> - the latest 5.5.x release will be removed from the mirror system
>>>>> >>> - the 5.5.x branch in svn will move from /tomcat/tc5.5.x to
>>>>> >>> /tomcat/archive/tc5.5.x
>>>>> >>> - the links to the 5.5.x documentation will be removed from
>>>>> >>> tomcat.apache.org
>>>>> >>> - The bugzilla project for 5.5.x will be made read-only
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Note that all 5.5.x releases will always be available from the
>>>>> >>> archive.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It is anticipated that the final 5.5.x release will be made shortly
>>>>> >>> before 30 September 2012.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thoughts?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jacques
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>> Alternative ofbiz website: http://www.ofbiz.info
>>>> http://www.antwebsystems.com : Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>