Protecting the OFBiz trademark

[Ron Wheeler]

The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's
trademark policy is some very minor ways.

"Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source
enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License
Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source
ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer
RelationShip Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open
Source SCM (Supply Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing
Resources Planning), Open Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management
System/Enterprise Asset Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale),
and so on.
Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and
scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize
to suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place,
you can get started right away and then grow your operations as your
business grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of
traditional enterprise automation systems.
Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."

could be modified to be

"Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source
enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise
Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),  E-Business
/ E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing
Resources Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise
Asset Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable,
secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or
customize it to suit even your most challenging business needs. With
OFBiz, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and
maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems. As your
business grows, extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated
needs
The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."

This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it
as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked
(according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a
thing - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.

I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is  "Maintenance
Management System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot
to add the "C-word" to the definition.

I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all
features and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest
putting the features as bullets to increase readability but that is a
question of taste and how that would look on the page.

I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just
interrupts the flow for no benefit.
CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.

I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is
" extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea
implied in the original sentence.

How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening
introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the
target market?

The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality
description is this section.
They seem to be selective without a balance between the major
functionality listed in column 1.

Ron

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: [phone], ext 102

[Jacques Le Roux]

Le 04/09/2014 21:16, Ron Wheeler a écrit :

> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>
> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License
> Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip
> Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning),
> Open Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to
> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business
> grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems.
> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>
> could be modified to be
>
> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise Resource
> Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),  E-Business / E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing Resources
> Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or customize it
> to suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of
> traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>
> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked
> (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a thing - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.

I'd rather incline to system instead of package and would remove product, software is enough, no? But I'd even prefer framework than system...

>
> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is  "Maintenance Management System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to add the
> "C-word" to the definition.

I guess a confusion with CMS. OFBiz has also a (very useful) content component, but we can't call it a CMS

>
> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all features and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest putting
> the features as bullets to increase readability but that is a question of taste and how that would look on the page.
>
Agreed

> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just interrupts the flow for no benefit.

+1

> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
+1
>
> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is " extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea implied
> in the original sentence.
+1
>
> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?

No I feel your version is clearer and easier to read.

> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the target market?
The simpler the better, I'd go with your version
>
> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality description is this section.
> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major functionality listed in column 1.
I guess this blue block is there for people with TL;DR tendency ;)

BTW since we propose packaged releases, we should soon begin to think about removing words like POS and such; they will no longer be part of future
releases...
For the POS (and others maybe) we should though explain how it's possible to check them out from trunk and add them to a released package...

Jacques
>
> Ron
>

[Ron Wheeler]

I would have no problem with "system" and I think that it fits in the
Apache guidelines very well.

I am worried that "framework" implies that it does not do anything OOTB
and can only be used to build a working system.

I think that I don't have write access so I hope that someone can take a
few minutes to make the changes.

If the components such as POS are being removed from the core, could
they be called "expansion packages"  for the marketing site.

Ron


On 04/09/2014 5:32 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

>
> Le 04/09/2014 21:16, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's
>> trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>>
>> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open
>> source enterprise automation software project licensed under the
>> Apache License Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we
>> mean: Open Source ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM
>> (Customer RelationShip Management), Open Source E-Business /
>> E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply Chain Management), Open Source
>> MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), Open Source CMMS/EAM
>> (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), Open
>> Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure
>> and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or
>> customize to suit even your most challenging business needs. With
>> OFBiz in place, you can get started right away and then grow your
>> operations as your business grows, without the huge deployment and
>> maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems.
>> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>
>> could be modified to be
>>
>> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open
>> source enterprise automation software product that includes ERP
>> (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship
>> Management),  E-Business / E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain
>> Management),  MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning),  MMS/EAM
>> (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management) and POS
>> (Point Of Sale) functions.
>> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable,
>> secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or
>> customize it to suit even your most challenging business needs. With
>> OFBiz, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and
>> maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems. As
>> your business grows, extend the functionality to meet your more
>> sophisticated needs
>> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>
>> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining
>> it as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be
>> trademarked (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must
>> define it as a thing - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>
> I'd rather incline to system instead of package and would remove
> product, software is enough, no? But I'd even prefer framework than
> system...
>
>>
>> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is  "Maintenance
>> Management System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and
>> forgot to add the "C-word" to the definition.
>
> I guess a confusion with CMS. OFBiz has also a (very useful) content
> component, but we can't call it a CMS
>
>>
>> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all
>> features and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would
>> suggest putting the features as bullets to increase readability but
>> that is a question of taste and how that would look on the page.
>>
> Agreed
>
>> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and
>> just interrupts the flow for no benefit.
>
> +1
>
>> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
> +1
>>
>> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read.
>> Is " extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea
>> implied in the original sentence.
> +1
>>
>> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
>
> No I feel your version is clearer and easier to read.
>
>> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening
>> introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the
>> target market?
> The simpler the better, I'd go with your version
>>
>> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality
>> description is this section.
>> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major
>> functionality listed in column 1.
> I guess this blue block is there for people with TL;DR tendency ;)
>
> BTW since we propose packaged releases, we should soon begin to think
> about removing words like POS and such; they will no longer be part of
> future releases...
> For the POS (and others maybe) we should though explain how it's
> possible to check them out from trunk and add them to a released
> package...
>
> Jacques
>>
>> Ron
>>
>

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: [phone], ext 102

[Jacques Le Roux]

Le 05/09/2014 03:13, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
> I would have no problem with "system" and I think that it fits in the Apache guidelines very well.
>
> I am worried that "framework" implies that it does not do anything OOTB and can only be used to build a working system.
Yes that's the annoying part in "framework" indeed.
> I think that I don't have write access so I hope that someone can take a few minutes to make the changes.
I will wait other opinions
> If the components such as POS are being removed from the core, could they be called "expansion packages"  for the marketing site.
Good idea :)

Jacques

>
> Ron
>
>
> On 04/09/2014 5:32 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>> Le 04/09/2014 21:16, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>>> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>>>
>>> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License
>>> Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip
>>> Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning),
>>> Open Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize
>>> to suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you can get started right away and then grow your operations as your
>>> business grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems.
>>> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>
>>> could be modified to be
>>>
>>> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise
>>> Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),  E-Business / E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing
>>> Resources Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
>>> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or customize
>>> it to suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs
>>> of traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
>>> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>
>>> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked
>>> (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a thing - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>>
>> I'd rather incline to system instead of package and would remove product, software is enough, no? But I'd even prefer framework than system...
>>
>>>
>>> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is "Maintenance Management System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to add the
>>> "C-word" to the definition.
>>
>> I guess a confusion with CMS. OFBiz has also a (very useful) content component, but we can't call it a CMS
>>
>>>
>>> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all features and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest putting
>>> the features as bullets to increase readability but that is a question of taste and how that would look on the page.
>>>
>> Agreed
>>
>>> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just interrupts the flow for no benefit.
>>
>> +1
>>
>>> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
>> +1
>>>
>>> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is " extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea
>>> implied in the original sentence.
>> +1
>>>
>>> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
>>
>> No I feel your version is clearer and easier to read.
>>
>>> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the target market?
>> The simpler the better, I'd go with your version
>>>
>>> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality description is this section.
>>> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major functionality listed in column 1.
>> I guess this blue block is there for people with TL;DR tendency ;)
>>
>> BTW since we propose packaged releases, we should soon begin to think about removing words like POS and such; they will no longer be part of future
>> releases...
>> For the POS (and others maybe) we should though explain how it's possible to check them out from trunk and add them to a released package...
>>
>> Jacques
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>
>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

Thank you Ron, much appreciated.

Could you please review the following version that should include all your recommendations and also some details discussed in this thread?
In my opinion we should remove all the content after this (and just leave the News section).

Jacopo

=====================
Apache OFBiz™ is an open source enterprise automation product that includes components for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply Chain Management), MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box, customize it or use it as a framework to implement even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs.
Apache OFBiz is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0.
The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation.
=====================

On Sep 4, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>
> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), Open Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems.
> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>
> could be modified to be
>
> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),  E-Business / E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or customize it to suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>
> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a thing - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>
> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is  "Maintenance Management System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to add the "C-word" to the definition.
>
> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all features and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest putting the features as bullets to increase readability but that is a question of taste and how that would look on the page.
>
> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just interrupts the flow for no benefit.
> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
>
> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is " extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea implied in the original sentence.
>
> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the target market?
>
> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality description is this section.
> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major functionality listed in column 1.
>
> Ron
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: [hidden email]
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: [phone], ext 102
>

[Adrian Crum-3]

Jacopo,

That looks much better. Here are some small grammar fixes:

=====================
Apache OFBiz™ is an open source enterprise automation product that
includes components for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM
(Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply
Chain Management), MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), MMS/EAM
(Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), POS (Point
Of Sale), and so on.
Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable,
secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box,
customize it or use it as a framework to implement your most challenging
business needs. With OFBiz, you can get started right away without the
huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise
automation systems. As your business grows, you can extend the
functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs.
Apache OFBiz is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0.
The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation.
=====================


Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com

On 9/5/2014 9:00 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> Thank you Ron, much appreciated.
>
> Could you please review the following version that should include all your recommendations and also some details discussed in this thread?
> In my opinion we should remove all the content after this (and just leave the News section).
>
> Jacopo
>
> =====================
> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source enterprise automation product that includes components for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply Chain Management), MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box, customize it or use it as a framework to implement even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs.
> Apache OFBiz is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0.
> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation.
> =====================
>
> On Sep 4, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>>
>> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), Open Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems.
>> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>
>> could be modified to be
>>
>> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),  E-Business / E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
>> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or customize it to suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
>> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>
>> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a thing - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>>
>> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is  "Maintenance Management System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to add the "C-word" to the definition.
>>
>> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all features and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest putting the features as bullets to increase readability but that is a question of taste and how that would look on the page.
>>
>> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just interrupts the flow for no benefit.
>> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
>>
>> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is " extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea implied in the original sentence.
>>
>> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
>> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the target market?
>>
>> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality description is this section.
>> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major functionality listed in column 1.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> --
>> Ron Wheeler
>> President
>> Artifact Software Inc
>> email: [hidden email]
>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>> phone: [phone], ext 102
>>
>

[Pierre Smits]

Hi Ron,

Nice going!

Who is the intended target audience? The message on the page should reflect
that.

Here is my version of that first statement:

Apache OFBiz™ is an open source enterprise suite of business applications,
that includes solutions for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM
(Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply
Chain Management) and Warehousing, MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning),
MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), POS
(Point Of Sale), and so on.

OFBiz™ provides all the building blocks for reliable, secure and scalable
enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box, customize it or use it as a
starting point to even implement your most challenging business needs. With
OFBiz™, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and
maintenance costs of traditional ERP solutions. As your business grows,
extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs.

Apache OFBiz™ is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0, and the
project is part of the Apache Software Foundation.


After that I would invite the reader with read-on links to get more info on:

   - the business angle - e.g. descriptions of the available
   apps/components/solutions (e.g. for the key decision makers in the -
   prospecting - organisation)
   - the development/implementation angle - e.g descriptions of how the
   OFBiz product is designed, etc.

Best Regards,


Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com


On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's
> trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>
> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source
> enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License
> Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP
> (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip
> Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply
> Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), Open
> Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
> Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and
> scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to
> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you
> can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business
> grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional
> enterprise automation systems.
> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>
> could be modified to be
>
> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source
> enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise
> Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),  E-Business /
> E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing Resources
> Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
> Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure
> and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or customize it to
> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get
> started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of
> traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend
> the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>
> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it
> as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked
> (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a thing
> - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>
> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is  "Maintenance Management
> System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to add the
> "C-word" to the definition.
>
> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all features
> and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest putting the
> features as bullets to increase readability but that is a question of taste
> and how that would look on the page.
>
> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just
> interrupts the flow for no benefit.
> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
>
> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is "
> extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea implied in
> the original sentence.
>
> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening
> introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the target
> market?
>
> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality
> description is this section.
> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major
> functionality listed in column 1.
>
> Ron
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: [hidden email]
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: [phone], ext 102
>
>

[Gavin Mabie-2]

My2Cents

Whether its a "framework" or "product" depends on the utilisation
perspective.  End-users are typically looking for ready-to-use products
whereas developers and integrators are more keen on frameworks. I think the
best description is "framework" for various reasons, chief amongst which is
the very nature of the functionalities itself.  The majority of the Ofbiz
functionalities require further business analysis and customisation before
implementation. By the way, I do agree that some reference should be made
to OOTB useability.

Gavin


On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Le 04/09/2014 21:16, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>
>> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's
>> trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>>
>> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source
>> enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License
>> Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP
>> (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip
>> Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply
>> Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), Open
>> Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>> Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and
>> scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to
>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you
>> can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business
>> grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional
>> enterprise automation systems.
>> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>
>> could be modified to be
>>
>> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source
>> enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise
>> Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),  E-Business /
>> E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing Resources
>> Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>> Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
>> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable,
>> secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or
>> customize it to suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz,
>> you can get started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance
>> costs of traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows,
>> extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
>> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>
>> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it
>> as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked
>> (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a thing
>> - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>>
>
> I'd rather incline to system instead of package and would remove product,
> software is enough, no? But I'd even prefer framework than system...
>
>
>> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is  "Maintenance
>> Management System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to
>> add the "C-word" to the definition.
>>
>
> I guess a confusion with CMS. OFBiz has also a (very useful) content
> component, but we can't call it a CMS
>
>
>> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all
>> features and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest
>> putting the features as bullets to increase readability but that is a
>> question of taste and how that would look on the page.
>>
>>  Agreed
>
>  I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just
>> interrupts the flow for no benefit.
>>
>
> +1
>
>  CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
>>
> +1
>
>>
>> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is
>> " extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea implied
>> in the original sentence.
>>
> +1
>
>>
>> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
>>
>
> No I feel your version is clearer and easier to read.
>
>  Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening
>> introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the target
>> market?
>>
> The simpler the better, I'd go with your version
>
>>
>> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality
>> description is this section.
>> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major
>> functionality listed in column 1.
>>
> I guess this blue block is there for people with TL;DR tendency ;)
>
> BTW since we propose packaged releases, we should soon begin to think
> about removing words like POS and such; they will no longer be part of
> future releases...
> For the POS (and others maybe) we should though explain how it's possible
> to check them out from trunk and add them to a released package...
>
> Jacques
>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

Here is an alternative version (that includes Pierre's feedback) for the very first statement:

"Apache OFBiz™ is an open source software product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework components and business applications for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM [...]"

For the remaining text, I would keep Adrian's version (based on Ron's initial text).

Jacopo

On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> Nice going!
>
> Who is the intended target audience? The message on the page should reflect
> that.
>
> Here is my version of that first statement:
>
> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source enterprise suite of business applications,
> that includes solutions for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM
> (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply
> Chain Management) and Warehousing, MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning),
> MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), POS
> (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>
> OFBiz™ provides all the building blocks for reliable, secure and scalable
> enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box, customize it or use it as a
> starting point to even implement your most challenging business needs. With
> OFBiz™, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and
> maintenance costs of traditional ERP solutions. As your business grows,
> extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs.
>
> Apache OFBiz™ is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0, and the
> project is part of the Apache Software Foundation.
>
>
> After that I would invite the reader with read-on links to get more info on:
>
>   - the business angle - e.g. descriptions of the available
>   apps/components/solutions (e.g. for the key decision makers in the -
>   prospecting - organisation)
>   - the development/implementation angle - e.g descriptions of how the
>   OFBiz product is designed, etc.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's
>> trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>>
>> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source
>> enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License
>> Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP
>> (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip
>> Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply
>> Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), Open
>> Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>> Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and
>> scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to
>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you
>> can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business
>> grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional
>> enterprise automation systems.
>> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>
>> could be modified to be
>>
>> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source
>> enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise
>> Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),  E-Business /
>> E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing Resources
>> Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>> Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
>> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure
>> and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or customize it to
>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get
>> started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of
>> traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend
>> the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
>> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>
>> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it
>> as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked
>> (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a thing
>> - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>>
>> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is  "Maintenance Management
>> System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to add the
>> "C-word" to the definition.
>>
>> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all features
>> and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest putting the
>> features as bullets to increase readability but that is a question of taste
>> and how that would look on the page.
>>
>> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just
>> interrupts the flow for no benefit.
>> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
>>
>> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is "
>> extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea implied in
>> the original sentence.
>>
>> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
>> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening
>> introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the target
>> market?
>>
>> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality
>> description is this section.
>> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major
>> functionality listed in column 1.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> --
>> Ron Wheeler
>> President
>> Artifact Software Inc
>> email: [hidden email]
>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>> phone: [phone], ext 102
>>
>>

[Jacques Le Roux]

That sounds like a definitive version, I just wonder why we have to keep "software product" instead of simply "software"?

Also, do we really need to keep the ", and so on"?

Jacques

Le 05/09/2014 11:56, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :

> Here is an alternative version (that includes Pierre's feedback) for the very first statement:
>
> "Apache OFBiz™ is an open source software product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework components and business applications for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM [...]"
>
> For the remaining text, I would keep Adrian's version (based on Ron's initial text).
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ron,
>>
>> Nice going!
>>
>> Who is the intended target audience? The message on the page should reflect
>> that.
>>
>> Here is my version of that first statement:
>>
>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source enterprise suite of business applications,
>> that includes solutions for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM
>> (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply
>> Chain Management) and Warehousing, MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning),
>> MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), POS
>> (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>
>> OFBiz™ provides all the building blocks for reliable, secure and scalable
>> enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box, customize it or use it as a
>> starting point to even implement your most challenging business needs. With
>> OFBiz™, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and
>> maintenance costs of traditional ERP solutions. As your business grows,
>> extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs.
>>
>> Apache OFBiz™ is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0, and the
>> project is part of the Apache Software Foundation.
>>
>>
>> After that I would invite the reader with read-on links to get more info on:
>>
>>    - the business angle - e.g. descriptions of the available
>>    apps/components/solutions (e.g. for the key decision makers in the -
>>    prospecting - organisation)
>>    - the development/implementation angle - e.g descriptions of how the
>>    OFBiz product is designed, etc.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>> Services and Retail & Trade
>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's
>>> trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>>>
>>> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source
>>> enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License
>>> Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP
>>> (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip
>>> Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply
>>> Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), Open
>>> Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>> Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and
>>> scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to
>>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you
>>> can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business
>>> grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional
>>> enterprise automation systems.
>>> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>
>>> could be modified to be
>>>
>>> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source
>>> enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise
>>> Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),  E-Business /
>>> E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing Resources
>>> Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>> Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
>>> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure
>>> and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or customize it to
>>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get
>>> started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of
>>> traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend
>>> the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
>>> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>
>>> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it
>>> as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked
>>> (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a thing
>>> - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>>>
>>> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is  "Maintenance Management
>>> System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to add the
>>> "C-word" to the definition.
>>>
>>> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all features
>>> and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest putting the
>>> features as bullets to increase readability but that is a question of taste
>>> and how that would look on the page.
>>>
>>> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just
>>> interrupts the flow for no benefit.
>>> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
>>>
>>> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is "
>>> extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea implied in
>>> the original sentence.
>>>
>>> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
>>> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening
>>> introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the target
>>> market?
>>>
>>> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality
>>> description is this section.
>>> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major
>>> functionality listed in column 1.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ron Wheeler
>>> President
>>> Artifact Software Inc
>>> email: [hidden email]
>>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>>> phone: [phone], ext 102
>>>
>>>
>
>

[Ron Wheeler]

The quotes were just there to separate the quoted text from my comments.
They are not part of the text.

Could more likely drop "software" unless anyone has heard of an ERP that
is not software or an Apache project that does not produce software.

Apache OFBiz™ is an open source product for the automation...
Apache OFBiz™ is an open source system for the automation...
Apache OFBiz™ is an open source package for the automation...
would all satisfy the Apache guidelines.
I would be fine with any of these. My goal was to achieve compliance
with the opening sentence.

Thanks for all the great comments and suggestions.
They all can not be included but the discussion has been very helpful.

Ron

On 05/09/2014 7:54 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> That sounds like a definitive version, I just wonder why we have to
> keep "software product" instead of simply "software"?
>
> Also, do we really need to keep the ", and so on"?
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 05/09/2014 11:56, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>> Here is an alternative version (that includes Pierre's feedback) for
>> the very first statement:
>>
>> "Apache OFBiz™ is an open source software product for the automation
>> of enterprise processes that includes framework components and
>> business applications for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM [...]"
>>
>> For the remaining text, I would keep Adrian's version (based on Ron's
>> initial text).
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ron,
>>>
>>> Nice going!
>>>
>>> Who is the intended target audience? The message on the page should
>>> reflect
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Here is my version of that first statement:
>>>
>>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source enterprise suite of business
>>> applications,
>>> that includes solutions for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM
>>> (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM
>>> (Supply
>>> Chain Management) and Warehousing, MRP (Manufacturing Resources
>>> Planning),
>>> MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management),
>>> POS
>>> (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>>
>>> OFBiz™ provides all the building blocks for reliable, secure and
>>> scalable
>>> enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box, customize it or use it
>>> as a
>>> starting point to even implement your most challenging business
>>> needs. With
>>> OFBiz™, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and
>>> maintenance costs of traditional ERP solutions. As your business grows,
>>> extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs.
>>>
>>> Apache OFBiz™ is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0, and the
>>> project is part of the Apache Software Foundation.
>>>
>>>
>>> After that I would invite the reader with read-on links to get more
>>> info on:
>>>
>>>    - the business angle - e.g. descriptions of the available
>>>    apps/components/solutions (e.g. for the key decision makers in the -
>>>    prospecting - organisation)
>>>    - the development/implementation angle - e.g descriptions of how the
>>>    OFBiz product is designed, etc.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Ron Wheeler
>>> <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's
>>>> trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>>>>
>>>> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source
>>>> enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache
>>>> License
>>>> Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open
>>>> Source ERP
>>>> (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip
>>>> Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM
>>>> (Supply
>>>> Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources
>>>> Planning), Open
>>>> Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>>> Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable,
>>>> secure and
>>>> scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or
>>>> customize to
>>>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in
>>>> place, you
>>>> can get started right away and then grow your operations as your
>>>> business
>>>> grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of
>>>> traditional
>>>> enterprise automation systems.
>>>> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>>
>>>> could be modified to be
>>>>
>>>> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source
>>>> enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise
>>>> Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),
>>>> E-Business /
>>>> E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing
>>>> Resources
>>>> Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>>> Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
>>>> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable,
>>>> secure
>>>> and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or
>>>> customize it to
>>>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can
>>>> get
>>>> started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance
>>>> costs of
>>>> traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows,
>>>> extend
>>>> the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
>>>> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>>
>>>> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by
>>>> defining it
>>>> as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be
>>>> trademarked
>>>> (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as
>>>> a thing
>>>> - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>>>>
>>>> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is "Maintenance
>>>> Management
>>>> System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to
>>>> add the
>>>> "C-word" to the definition.
>>>>
>>>> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all
>>>> features
>>>> and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest
>>>> putting the
>>>> features as bullets to increase readability but that is a question
>>>> of taste
>>>> and how that would look on the page.
>>>>
>>>> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just
>>>> interrupts the flow for no benefit.
>>>> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
>>>>
>>>> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to
>>>> read. Is "
>>>> extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea
>>>> implied in
>>>> the original sentence.
>>>>
>>>> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
>>>> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening
>>>> introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the
>>>> target
>>>> market?
>>>>
>>>> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality
>>>> description is this section.
>>>> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major
>>>> functionality listed in column 1.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ron Wheeler
>>>> President
>>>> Artifact Software Inc
>>>> email: [hidden email]
>>>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>>>> phone: [phone], ext 102
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: [phone], ext 102

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

ok, thanks to all; please review the page now and let me know if it looks better now.

Jacopo

On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The quotes were just there to separate the quoted text from my comments. They are not part of the text.
>
> Could more likely drop "software" unless anyone has heard of an ERP that is not software or an Apache project that does not produce software.
>
> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source product for the automation...
> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source system for the automation...
> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source package for the automation...
> would all satisfy the Apache guidelines.
> I would be fine with any of these. My goal was to achieve compliance with the opening sentence.
>
> Thanks for all the great comments and suggestions.
> They all can not be included but the discussion has been very helpful.
>
> Ron
>
> On 05/09/2014 7:54 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> That sounds like a definitive version, I just wonder why we have to keep "software product" instead of simply "software"?
>>
>> Also, do we really need to keep the ", and so on"?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Le 05/09/2014 11:56, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>> Here is an alternative version (that includes Pierre's feedback) for the very first statement:
>>>
>>> "Apache OFBiz™ is an open source software product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework components and business applications for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM [...]"
>>>
>>> For the remaining text, I would keep Adrian's version (based on Ron's initial text).
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ron,
>>>>
>>>> Nice going!
>>>>
>>>> Who is the intended target audience? The message on the page should reflect
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Here is my version of that first statement:
>>>>
>>>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source enterprise suite of business applications,
>>>> that includes solutions for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM
>>>> (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply
>>>> Chain Management) and Warehousing, MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning),
>>>> MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), POS
>>>> (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz™ provides all the building blocks for reliable, secure and scalable
>>>> enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box, customize it or use it as a
>>>> starting point to even implement your most challenging business needs. With
>>>> OFBiz™, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and
>>>> maintenance costs of traditional ERP solutions. As your business grows,
>>>> extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs.
>>>>
>>>> Apache OFBiz™ is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0, and the
>>>> project is part of the Apache Software Foundation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After that I would invite the reader with read-on links to get more info on:
>>>>
>>>>   - the business angle - e.g. descriptions of the available
>>>>   apps/components/solutions (e.g. for the key decision makers in the -
>>>>   prospecting - organisation)
>>>>   - the development/implementation angle - e.g descriptions of how the
>>>>   OFBiz product is designed, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>
>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's
>>>>> trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source
>>>>> enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License
>>>>> Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP
>>>>> (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip
>>>>> Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply
>>>>> Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), Open
>>>>> Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>>>> Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>>>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and
>>>>> scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to
>>>>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you
>>>>> can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business
>>>>> grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional
>>>>> enterprise automation systems.
>>>>> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>>>
>>>>> could be modified to be
>>>>>
>>>>> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source
>>>>> enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise
>>>>> Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business /
>>>>> E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing Resources
>>>>> Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>>>> Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
>>>>> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure
>>>>> and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or customize it to
>>>>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get
>>>>> started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of
>>>>> traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend
>>>>> the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
>>>>> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>>>
>>>>> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it
>>>>> as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked
>>>>> (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a thing
>>>>> - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is "Maintenance Management
>>>>> System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to add the
>>>>> "C-word" to the definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all features
>>>>> and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest putting the
>>>>> features as bullets to increase readability but that is a question of taste
>>>>> and how that would look on the page.
>>>>>
>>>>> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just
>>>>> interrupts the flow for no benefit.
>>>>> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
>>>>>
>>>>> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is "
>>>>> extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea implied in
>>>>> the original sentence.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
>>>>> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening
>>>>> introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the target
>>>>> market?
>>>>>
>>>>> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality
>>>>> description is this section.
>>>>> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major
>>>>> functionality listed in column 1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ron Wheeler
>>>>> President
>>>>> Artifact Software Inc
>>>>> email: [hidden email]
>>>>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>>>>> phone: [phone], ext 102
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: [hidden email]
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: [phone], ext 102
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

I like it, just wonder at what is exactly "E-Business"?

Jacques

Le 06/09/2014 12:56, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :

> ok, thanks to all; please review the page now and let me know if it looks better now.
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> The quotes were just there to separate the quoted text from my comments. They are not part of the text.
>>
>> Could more likely drop "software" unless anyone has heard of an ERP that is not software or an Apache project that does not produce software.
>>
>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source product for the automation...
>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source system for the automation...
>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source package for the automation...
>> would all satisfy the Apache guidelines.
>> I would be fine with any of these. My goal was to achieve compliance with the opening sentence.
>>
>> Thanks for all the great comments and suggestions.
>> They all can not be included but the discussion has been very helpful.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 05/09/2014 7:54 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> That sounds like a definitive version, I just wonder why we have to keep "software product" instead of simply "software"?
>>>
>>> Also, do we really need to keep the ", and so on"?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> Le 05/09/2014 11:56, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>>> Here is an alternative version (that includes Pierre's feedback) for the very first statement:
>>>>
>>>> "Apache OFBiz™ is an open source software product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework components and business applications for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM [...]"
>>>>
>>>> For the remaining text, I would keep Adrian's version (based on Ron's initial text).
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ron,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice going!
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is the intended target audience? The message on the page should reflect
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is my version of that first statement:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source enterprise suite of business applications,
>>>>> that includes solutions for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM
>>>>> (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply
>>>>> Chain Management) and Warehousing, MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning),
>>>>> MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management), POS
>>>>> (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> OFBiz™ provides all the building blocks for reliable, secure and scalable
>>>>> enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box, customize it or use it as a
>>>>> starting point to even implement your most challenging business needs. With
>>>>> OFBiz™, you can get started right away without the huge deployment and
>>>>> maintenance costs of traditional ERP solutions. As your business grows,
>>>>> extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apache OFBiz™ is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0, and the
>>>>> project is part of the Apache Software Foundation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> After that I would invite the reader with read-on links to get more info on:
>>>>>
>>>>>    - the business angle - e.g. descriptions of the available
>>>>>    apps/components/solutions (e.g. for the key decision makers in the -
>>>>>    prospecting - organisation)
>>>>>    - the development/implementation angle - e.g descriptions of how the
>>>>>    OFBiz product is designed, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>
>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates Apache's
>>>>>> trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open source
>>>>>> enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache License
>>>>>> Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP
>>>>>> (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer RelationShip
>>>>>> Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply
>>>>>> Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources Planning), Open
>>>>>> Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>>>>> Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>>>>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and
>>>>>> scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to
>>>>>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you
>>>>>> can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business
>>>>>> grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional
>>>>>> enterprise automation systems.
>>>>>> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> could be modified to be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open source
>>>>>> enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise
>>>>>> Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business /
>>>>>> E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing Resources
>>>>>> Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>>>>> Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
>>>>>> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure
>>>>>> and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or customize it to
>>>>>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you can get
>>>>>> started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of
>>>>>> traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business grows, extend
>>>>>> the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
>>>>>> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by defining it
>>>>>> as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be trademarked
>>>>>> (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it as a thing
>>>>>> - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is "Maintenance Management
>>>>>> System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to add the
>>>>>> "C-word" to the definition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all features
>>>>>> and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest putting the
>>>>>> features as bullets to increase readability but that is a question of taste
>>>>>> and how that would look on the page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and just
>>>>>> interrupts the flow for no benefit.
>>>>>> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be capitalized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to read. Is "
>>>>>> extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea implied in
>>>>>> the original sentence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
>>>>>> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening
>>>>>> introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about the target
>>>>>> market?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality
>>>>>> description is this section.
>>>>>> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major
>>>>>> functionality listed in column 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ron Wheeler
>>>>>> President
>>>>>> Artifact Software Inc
>>>>>> email: [hidden email]
>>>>>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>>>>>> phone: [phone], ext 102
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ron Wheeler
>> President
>> Artifact Software Inc
>> email: [hidden email]
>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>> phone: [phone], ext 102
>>
>
>

[Adrian Crum-3]

A little better than D-Business, but not quite as good as F-Business.

Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com

On 9/6/2014 12:40 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> I like it, just wonder at what is exactly "E-Business"?
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 06/09/2014 12:56, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>> ok, thanks to all; please review the page now and let me know if it
>> looks better now.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Ron Wheeler
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> The quotes were just there to separate the quoted text from my
>>> comments. They are not part of the text.
>>>
>>> Could more likely drop "software" unless anyone has heard of an ERP
>>> that is not software or an Apache project that does not produce
>>> software.
>>>
>>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source product for the automation...
>>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source system for the automation...
>>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source package for the automation...
>>> would all satisfy the Apache guidelines.
>>> I would be fine with any of these. My goal was to achieve compliance
>>> with the opening sentence.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the great comments and suggestions.
>>> They all can not be included but the discussion has been very helpful.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On 05/09/2014 7:54 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> That sounds like a definitive version, I just wonder why we have to
>>>> keep "software product" instead of simply "software"?
>>>>
>>>> Also, do we really need to keep the ", and so on"?
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> Le 05/09/2014 11:56, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>>>> Here is an alternative version (that includes Pierre's feedback)
>>>>> for the very first statement:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Apache OFBiz™ is an open source software product for the
>>>>> automation of enterprise processes that includes framework
>>>>> components and business applications for ERP (Enterprise Resource
>>>>> Planning), CRM [...]"
>>>>>
>>>>> For the remaining text, I would keep Adrian's version (based on
>>>>> Ron's initial text).
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice going!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is the intended target audience? The message on the page
>>>>>> should reflect
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is my version of that first statement:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apache OFBiz™ is an open source enterprise suite of business
>>>>>> applications,
>>>>>> that includes solutions for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM
>>>>>> (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM
>>>>>> (Supply
>>>>>> Chain Management) and Warehousing, MRP (Manufacturing Resources
>>>>>> Planning),
>>>>>> MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>>>>> Management), POS
>>>>>> (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OFBiz™ provides all the building blocks for reliable, secure and
>>>>>> scalable
>>>>>> enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box, customize it or use
>>>>>> it as a
>>>>>> starting point to even implement your most challenging business
>>>>>> needs. With
>>>>>> OFBiz™, you can get started right away without the huge deployment
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> maintenance costs of traditional ERP solutions. As your business
>>>>>> grows,
>>>>>> extend the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apache OFBiz™ is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0,
>>>>>> and the
>>>>>> project is part of the Apache Software Foundation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After that I would invite the reader with read-on links to get
>>>>>> more info on:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - the business angle - e.g. descriptions of the available
>>>>>>    apps/components/solutions (e.g. for the key decision makers in
>>>>>> the -
>>>>>>    prospecting - organisation)
>>>>>>    - the development/implementation angle - e.g descriptions of
>>>>>> how the
>>>>>>    OFBiz product is designed, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Ron Wheeler
>>>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The opening description at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ violates
>>>>>>> Apache's
>>>>>>> trademark policy is some very minor ways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Apache OFBiz (The Apache Open For Business Project) is an open
>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>> enterprise automation software project licensed under the Apache
>>>>>>> License
>>>>>>> Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open
>>>>>>> Source ERP
>>>>>>> (Enterprise Resource Planning), Open Source CRM (Customer
>>>>>>> RelationShip
>>>>>>> Management), Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM
>>>>>>> (Supply
>>>>>>> Chain Management), Open Source MRP (Manufacturing Resources
>>>>>>> Planning), Open
>>>>>>> Source CMMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>>>>>> Management), Open Source POS (Point Of Sale), and so on.
>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable,
>>>>>>> secure and
>>>>>>> scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or
>>>>>>> customize to
>>>>>>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in
>>>>>>> place, you
>>>>>>> can get started right away and then grow your operations as your
>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>> grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of
>>>>>>> traditional
>>>>>>> enterprise automation systems.
>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz is a project of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> could be modified to be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Apache OFBiz, the Apache Open For Business package, is an open
>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>> enterprise automation software product that includes ERP (Enterprise
>>>>>>> Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management),
>>>>>>> E-Business /
>>>>>>> E-Commerce,  SCM (Supply Chain Management),  MRP (Manufacturing
>>>>>>> Resources
>>>>>>> Planning),  MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset
>>>>>>> Management) and POS (Point Of Sale) functions.
>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for
>>>>>>> reliable, secure
>>>>>>> and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box or
>>>>>>> customize it to
>>>>>>> suit even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz, you
>>>>>>> can get
>>>>>>> started right away without the huge deployment and maintenance
>>>>>>> costs of
>>>>>>> traditional enterprise automation systems. As your business
>>>>>>> grows, extend
>>>>>>> the functionality to meet your more sophisticated needs
>>>>>>> The Apache OFBiz project is part of The Apache Software Foundation."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This meets the need to protect the Apache OFBiz trademark by
>>>>>>> defining it
>>>>>>> as a "package" rather than a "project". Projects can not be
>>>>>>> trademarked
>>>>>>> (according to Apache) so the definition of OfBiz must define it
>>>>>>> as a thing
>>>>>>> - "software", "package" or "system" are possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also changed CMMS to MMS since the full name is "Maintenance
>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>> System". Not sure if someone wrote CMMS on purpose and forgot to
>>>>>>> add the
>>>>>>> "C-word" to the definition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I removed the repetition of "Open Source" since it applies to all
>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>> and just makes the sentence very hard to read. I would suggest
>>>>>>> putting the
>>>>>>> features as bullets to increase readability but that is a
>>>>>>> question of taste
>>>>>>> and how that would look on the page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I removed the "OOTB" since term is not used later on the page and
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> interrupts the flow for no benefit.
>>>>>>> CRM - Relationship is one word and the "S" should not be
>>>>>>> capitalized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I split the second last sentence to make the sentence easier to
>>>>>>> read. Is "
>>>>>>> extend the functionality" an appropriate way to express the idea
>>>>>>> implied in
>>>>>>> the original sentence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does this look? Have I screwe up anything?
>>>>>>> Are there any other ideas that we should include in the opening
>>>>>>> introduction to OFBiz? Typical customers or some guidance about
>>>>>>> the target
>>>>>>> market?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bullets in the second column repeat some of the functionality
>>>>>>> description is this section.
>>>>>>> They seem to be selective without a balance between the major
>>>>>>> functionality listed in column 1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ron Wheeler
>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>> Artifact Software Inc
>>>>>>> email: [hidden email]
>>>>>>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>>>>>>> phone: [phone], ext 102
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ron Wheeler
>>> President
>>> Artifact Software Inc
>>> email: [hidden email]
>>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>>> phone: [phone], ext 102
>>>
>>
>>

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

:-)

I think e-business includes features of B2B while e-commerce is usually referred to B2C

Jacopo


On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:30 PM, Adrian Crum <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A little better than D-Business, but not quite as good as F-Business.
>
> Adrian Crum
> Sandglass Software
> www.sandglass-software.com
>
> On 9/6/2014 12:40 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> I like it, just wonder at what is exactly "E-Business"?
>>
>> Jacques