Purchasing Fixed Assets
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Hi Everybody,
I try to make different kinds of purchase orders (of raw material, services and fixed assets) and I have a problem when I make a fixed assets purchase order. The system shows this error: ERROR: No se pudo crear la orden (problema invocando al servicio: Service target threw an unexpected exception (null)) The way that I made this was: - create new product (fixed asset type) - create new fixed asset - link new product to fixed asset - create order What is the way to make this kind of purchase orders?. Did I do something wrong? with the other kinds of purchase order I dont have any problem. About purchasing fixed assets I find this: http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006-May/011004.html Anybody now if this work was done? If not, maybe I can help with something. :-) -- Best Regards, David Zelaya Herrera |
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Duh, I know now what I was doing wrong. I did not set the item type to "PO:
fixed asset" in the order item. Maybe the system could show another error message? Best Regards, David Zelaya Herrera 2006/11/27, David Zelaya Herrera <[hidden email]>: > > Hi Everybody, > > I try to make different kinds of purchase orders (of raw material, > services and fixed assets) and I have a problem when I make a fixed assets > purchase order. The system shows this error: > > ERROR: No se pudo crear la orden (problema invocando al servicio: Service > target threw an unexpected exception (null)) > > The way that I made this was: > - create new product (fixed asset type) > - create new fixed asset > - link new product to fixed asset > - create order > What is the way to make this kind of purchase orders?. Did I do something > wrong? with the other kinds of purchase order I dont have any problem. > > About purchasing fixed assets I find this: > > http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006-May/011004.html > > Anybody now if this work was done? If not, maybe I can help with > something. :-) > > -- > Best Regards, > > David Zelaya Herrera -- |
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David,
Where does one set "PO: fixed asset"? On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:30 AM, David Zelaya Herrera wrote: > Duh, I know now what I was doing wrong. I did not set the item type > to "PO: > fixed asset" in the order item. > Maybe the system could show another error message? > > Best Regards, > > David Zelaya Herrera > > 2006/11/27, David Zelaya Herrera <[hidden email]>: >> >> Hi Everybody, >> >> I try to make different kinds of purchase orders (of raw material, >> services and fixed assets) and I have a problem when I make a >> fixed assets >> purchase order. The system shows this error: >> >> ERROR: No se pudo crear la orden (problema invocando al servicio: >> Service >> target threw an unexpected exception (null)) >> >> The way that I made this was: >> - create new product (fixed asset type) >> - create new fixed asset >> - link new product to fixed asset >> - create order >> What is the way to make this kind of purchase orders?. Did I do >> something >> wrong? with the other kinds of purchase order I dont have any >> problem. >> >> About purchasing fixed assets I find this: >> >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006-May/011004.html >> >> Anybody now if this work was done? If not, maybe I can help with >> something. :-) >> >> -- >> Best Regards, >> >> David Zelaya Herrera > > > > > -- Best Regards, Si [hidden email] |
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Hi Davis,
Yes why not a little patch ;o) ? http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Contributors+Best+Practices Jacques From: "David Zelaya Herrera" <[hidden email]> > Duh, I know now what I was doing wrong. I did not set the item type to "PO: > fixed asset" in the order item. > Maybe the system could show another error message? > > Best Regards, > > David Zelaya Herrera > > 2006/11/27, David Zelaya Herrera <[hidden email]>: > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > I try to make different kinds of purchase orders (of raw material, > > services and fixed assets) and I have a problem when I make a fixed assets > > purchase order. The system shows this error: > > > > ERROR: No se pudo crear la orden (problema invocando al servicio: Service > > target threw an unexpected exception (null)) > > > > The way that I made this was: > > - create new product (fixed asset type) > > - create new fixed asset > > - link new product to fixed asset > > - create order > > What is the way to make this kind of purchase orders?. Did I do something > > wrong? with the other kinds of purchase order I dont have any problem. > > > > About purchasing fixed assets I find this: > > > > http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006-May/011004.html > > > > Anybody now if this work was done? If not, maybe I can help with > > something. :-) > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > > > David Zelaya Herrera > > > > > -- > |
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Hi Si,
In the purchase order.. when you create a purchase order you can set the Item type for each item of the purchase order. I attach the image. 2006/11/28, Si Chen <
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David,
No image came through. Can you email it to me at my email address? On Nov 28, 2006, at 12:36 PM, David Zelaya Herrera wrote: > Hi Si, > > In the purchase order.. when you create a purchase order you can > set the Item type for each item of the purchase order. > I attach the image. > > > 2006/11/28, Si Chen < [hidden email]>: > David, > > Where does one set "PO: fixed asset"? > > On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:30 AM, David Zelaya Herrera wrote: > > > Duh, I know now what I was doing wrong. I did not set the item type > > to "PO: > > fixed asset" in the order item. > > Maybe the system could show another error message? > > > > Best Regards, > > > > David Zelaya Herrera > > > > 2006/11/27, David Zelaya Herrera < [hidden email]>: > >> > >> Hi Everybody, > >> > >> I try to make different kinds of purchase orders (of raw material, > >> services and fixed assets) and I have a problem when I make a > >> fixed assets > >> purchase order. The system shows this error: > >> > >> ERROR: No se pudo crear la orden (problema invocando al servicio: > >> Service > >> target threw an unexpected exception (null)) > >> > >> The way that I made this was: > >> - create new product (fixed asset type) > >> - create new fixed asset > >> - link new product to fixed asset > >> - create order > >> What is the way to make this kind of purchase orders?. Did I do > >> something > >> wrong? with the other kinds of purchase order I dont have any > >> problem. > >> > >> About purchasing fixed assets I find this: > >> > >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006-May/011004.html > >> > >> Anybody now if this work was done? If not, maybe I can help with > >> something. :-) > >> > >> -- > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> David Zelaya Herrera > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > Si > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > -- > Best Regards, > > David Zelaya Herrera Best Regards, Si [hidden email] |
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Wait . . . I found the button. Now I'm trying to figure out how it
all works. On Nov 28, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Hi Davis, > > Yes why not a little patch ;o) ? > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Contributors+Best > +Practices > > Jacques > > From: "David Zelaya Herrera" <[hidden email]> >> Duh, I know now what I was doing wrong. I did not set the item >> type to "PO: >> fixed asset" in the order item. >> Maybe the system could show another error message? >> >> Best Regards, >> >> David Zelaya Herrera >> >> 2006/11/27, David Zelaya Herrera <[hidden email]>: >>> >>> Hi Everybody, >>> >>> I try to make different kinds of purchase orders (of raw material, >>> services and fixed assets) and I have a problem when I make a >>> fixed assets >>> purchase order. The system shows this error: >>> >>> ERROR: No se pudo crear la orden (problema invocando al servicio: >>> Service >>> target threw an unexpected exception (null)) >>> >>> The way that I made this was: >>> - create new product (fixed asset type) >>> - create new fixed asset >>> - link new product to fixed asset >>> - create order >>> What is the way to make this kind of purchase orders?. Did I do >>> something >>> wrong? with the other kinds of purchase order I dont have any >>> problem. >>> >>> About purchasing fixed assets I find this: >>> >>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006-May/011004.html >>> >>> Anybody now if this work was done? If not, maybe I can help with >>> something. :-) >>> >>> -- >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> David Zelaya Herrera >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best Regards, Si [hidden email] |
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Si, Jacques
I dont have any patch of this.. I am working with Ofbiz - Opentaps 0.9.2_473442. The item type combo is down of the name of the item. Is something like this: ------------------------------------------------------------ Order Items ------------------------------------------------------------ GZ-1000-0 Tiny Gizmo Inventory: ATP = -8500, QOH = -8500 Item Type: __________ (Here) Ship After Date _________ ------------------------------------------------------------ The item type could be "PO: Inventory", "PO: Supplies (to Expense)" or "PO: Fixed Asset". When I create a fixed asset purchase order and I dont set the item type to "PO: Fixed Asset" the system shows this error message: - ERROR: Could not create order (problem invoking the service: Service target threw an unexpected exception (null)) Best Regards, 2006/11/28, Si Chen <[hidden email]>: > > Wait . . . I found the button. Now I'm trying to figure out how it > all works. > > On Nov 28, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > > > Hi Davis, > > > > Yes why not a little patch ;o) ? > > > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Contributors+Best > > +Practices > > > > Jacques > > > > From: "David Zelaya Herrera" < [hidden email]> > >> Duh, I know now what I was doing wrong. I did not set the item > >> type to "PO: > >> fixed asset" in the order item. > >> Maybe the system could show another error message? > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> David Zelaya Herrera > >> > >> 2006/11/27, David Zelaya Herrera < [hidden email]>: > >>> > >>> Hi Everybody, > >>> > >>> I try to make different kinds of purchase orders (of raw material, > >>> services and fixed assets) and I have a problem when I make a > >>> fixed assets > >>> purchase order. The system shows this error: > >>> > >>> ERROR: No se pudo crear la orden (problema invocando al servicio: > >>> Service > >>> target threw an unexpected exception (null)) > >>> > >>> The way that I made this was: > >>> - create new product (fixed asset type) > >>> - create new fixed asset > >>> - link new product to fixed asset > >>> - create order > >>> What is the way to make this kind of purchase orders?. Did I do > >>> something > >>> wrong? with the other kinds of purchase order I dont have any > >>> problem. > >>> > >>> About purchasing fixed assets I find this: > >>> > >>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006-May/011004.html > >>> > >>> Anybody now if this work was done? If not, maybe I can help with > >>> something. :-) > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Best Regards, > >>> > >>> David Zelaya Herrera > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > > Best Regards, > > Si > [hidden email] > > > > > -- Best Regards, David Zelaya Herrera |
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David,
While trying to figure this out, I fixed something which has been bothering me for a very long time: http://issues.apache.org/jira/ browse/OFBIZ-503 :) Anyway, now I'm looking at your log file: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detail&aid=1601474&group_id=145855&atid=763271 And I think these lines are instructive: 2006-11-22 18:33:38,391 (http-0.0.0.0-8443-Processor3) [ OrderServices.java:585:INFO ] find the fixedAsset 2006-11-22 18:33:38,422 (http-0.0.0.0-8443-Processor3) [ OrderServices.java:596:INFO ] find the techdatacalendar I think what you must have done is created an association between the FixedAsset and Product using the Accounting > Fixed Asset >> Products tab. In this case, however, I think those screens are for maintaining rental calendar of a fixed asset, like a hotel room. In fact, the section in OrderServices where you got your crash looks like something Hans wrote. I think looking at it, it is possible as David Jones said, to create a PO with a fixed asset product. Where we're missing though is that this fixed asset needs to be able to be received as a fixed asset and commissioned as a fixed asset, rather than received as inventory right now. That's the big piece we're missing--we should probably have some kind of a routine to create FixedAsset from OrderItem which are of the "Fixed Asset" type. Then the financials module needs to be configured so that fixed asset invoice items can be booked to the right G/L account, but that should be very easy. On Nov 28, 2006, at 3:11 PM, David Zelaya Herrera wrote: > Si, Jacques > > I dont have any patch of this.. I am working with Ofbiz - Opentaps > 0.9.2_473442. > The item type combo is down of the name of the item. > > Is something like this: > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Order Items > ------------------------------------------------------------ > GZ-1000-0 Tiny Gizmo > Inventory: ATP = -8500, QOH = -8500 > Item Type: __________ (Here) > Ship After Date _________ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The item type could be "PO: Inventory", "PO: Supplies (to Expense)" > or "PO: > Fixed Asset". > When I create a fixed asset purchase order and I dont set the item > type to > "PO: Fixed Asset" the system shows this error message: > > > - ERROR: Could not create order (problem invoking the service: > Service > target threw an unexpected exception (null)) > > > Best Regards, > > > 2006/11/28, Si Chen <[hidden email]>: >> >> Wait . . . I found the button. Now I'm trying to figure out how it >> all works. >> >> On Nov 28, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >> > Hi Davis, >> > >> > Yes why not a little patch ;o) ? >> > >> > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Contributors+Best >> > +Practices >> > >> > Jacques >> > >> > From: "David Zelaya Herrera" < [hidden email]> >> >> Duh, I know now what I was doing wrong. I did not set the item >> >> type to "PO: >> >> fixed asset" in the order item. >> >> Maybe the system could show another error message? >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> >> David Zelaya Herrera >> >> >> >> 2006/11/27, David Zelaya Herrera < [hidden email]>: >> >>> >> >>> Hi Everybody, >> >>> >> >>> I try to make different kinds of purchase orders (of raw >> material, >> >>> services and fixed assets) and I have a problem when I make a >> >>> fixed assets >> >>> purchase order. The system shows this error: >> >>> >> >>> ERROR: No se pudo crear la orden (problema invocando al servicio: >> >>> Service >> >>> target threw an unexpected exception (null)) >> >>> >> >>> The way that I made this was: >> >>> - create new product (fixed asset type) >> >>> - create new fixed asset >> >>> - link new product to fixed asset >> >>> - create order >> >>> What is the way to make this kind of purchase orders?. Did I do >> >>> something >> >>> wrong? with the other kinds of purchase order I dont have any >> >>> problem. >> >>> >> >>> About purchasing fixed assets I find this: >> >>> >> >>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006-May/011004.html >> >>> >> >>> Anybody now if this work was done? If not, maybe I can help with >> >>> something. :-) >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Best Regards, >> >>> >> >>> David Zelaya Herrera >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Si >> [hidden email] >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Best Regards, > > David Zelaya Herrera Best Regards, Si [hidden email] |
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Hi Si,
I think what you must have done is created an association between the > FixedAsset and Product using the Accounting > Fixed Asset >> Products > tab. In this case, however, I think those screens are for > maintaining rental calendar of a fixed asset, like a hotel room. In > fact, the section in OrderServices where you got your crash looks > like something Hans wrote. Yes, you are rigth. I think looking at it, it is possible as David Jones said, to create > a PO with a fixed asset product. Where we're missing though is that > this fixed asset needs to be able to be received as a fixed asset and > commissioned as a fixed asset, rather than received as inventory > right now. That's the big piece we're missing--we should probably > have some kind of a routine to create FixedAsset from OrderItem which > are of the "Fixed Asset" type. I agree with you. Also we have to think in others kinds of PO.. for eg. if I contract a service like "Information Technology Service".. the product type must to be "Services" and the OrderItem type too, and of course this kind of PO dont have reception.. just a confirmation that the service was done. I think that the accounting of these could work like this: (event) when createShipmentReceipt run and OrderItem type is "PO: Inventory" (action) postShipmentReceiptToGl (event) when createShipmentReceipt run and OrderItem type is "PO: FixedAsset" (action) postFixedAssetReceiptToGl (event) when ... and the OrderItem type is "Services" (action) postServiceConfirmToGl -- Best Regards, David Zelaya Herrera |
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David,
I just read David's post http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006- May/011004.html and your posting and I think I would suggest something a little different. The different OrderItemTypes for product vs fixed asset vs service is a good idea, but it should not be presented to the user. Rather, it should be possible to set up a Product as a "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and "Service", and the storeOrder service should figure out correct OrderItemType for it. During order creation (shopping cart) any order item is like any other order item, but then when the order is created the different types are stored. Then, when the order is created, depending on the different types of order items, you can 1) receive inventory or ship inventory (physical products) 2) automatically fulfill for digital products--already implemented, you can start your own iTunes with ofbiz 3) commission a fixed asset item if it's a fixed asset order item and 4) create a workeffort if it's a service item So then once you call createFixedAsset, the general ledger posting magic happens. The really interesting thing is what kind of accounting are you planning to do once the fixed assets are created? On Nov 29, 2006, at 11:41 AM, David Zelaya Herrera wrote: > Hi Si, > > I think what you must have done is created an association between the >> FixedAsset and Product using the Accounting > Fixed Asset >> Products >> tab. In this case, however, I think those screens are for >> maintaining rental calendar of a fixed asset, like a hotel room. In >> fact, the section in OrderServices where you got your crash looks >> like something Hans wrote. > > > Yes, you are rigth. > > I think looking at it, it is possible as David Jones said, to create >> a PO with a fixed asset product. Where we're missing though is that >> this fixed asset needs to be able to be received as a fixed asset and >> commissioned as a fixed asset, rather than received as inventory >> right now. That's the big piece we're missing--we should probably >> have some kind of a routine to create FixedAsset from OrderItem which >> are of the "Fixed Asset" type. > > > I agree with you. Also we have to think in others kinds of PO.. for > eg. if I > contract a service like "Information Technology Service".. the > product type > must to be "Services" and the OrderItem type too, and of course > this kind of > PO dont have reception.. just a confirmation that the service was > done. > > I think that the accounting of these could work like this: > (event) when createShipmentReceipt run and OrderItem type is "PO: > Inventory" > (action) postShipmentReceiptToGl > > (event) when createShipmentReceipt run and OrderItem type is "PO: > FixedAsset" > (action) postFixedAssetReceiptToGl > > (event) when ... and the OrderItem type is "Services" > (action) postServiceConfirmToGl > > > -- > Best Regards, > > David Zelaya Herrera Best Regards, Si [hidden email] |
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On Dec 1, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Si Chen wrote: > David, > > I just read David's post http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006- > May/011004.html and your posting and I think I would suggest > something a little different. The different OrderItemTypes for > product vs fixed asset vs service is a good idea, but it should not > be presented to the user. Rather, it should be possible to set up > a Product as a "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and "Service", and > the storeOrder service should figure out correct OrderItemType for > it. During order creation (shopping cart) any order item is like > any other order item, but then when the order is created the > different types are stored. Why the groups "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and "Service"? What would those mean? I guess I'm confused because it seems like an arbitrary selection of ProductTypes and other general stuff. A FixedAsset is (or can be) an instance of a Product, which can have a type of "Finished Good", for example. > Then, when the order is created, depending on the different types > of order items, you can 1) receive inventory or ship inventory > (physical products) 2) automatically fulfill for digital products-- > already implemented, you can start your own iTunes with ofbiz 3) > commission a fixed asset item if it's a fixed asset order item and > 4) create a workeffort if it's a service item Here again this is kind of a funny mix of things, and I'm not sure what sort of process you have in mind. There are generally different processes for different things, and these can of course vary by the company. Purchases and sales are obviously different too. For service sales you could trigger creation of a WorkEffort, but for many companies that plan and quote before they sell the WorkEffort would already exist, for example. -David > So then once you call createFixedAsset, the general ledger posting > magic happens. > > The really interesting thing is what kind of accounting are you > planning to do once the fixed assets are created? > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 11:41 AM, David Zelaya Herrera wrote: > >> Hi Si, >> >> I think what you must have done is created an association between the >>> FixedAsset and Product using the Accounting > Fixed Asset >> >>> Products >>> tab. In this case, however, I think those screens are for >>> maintaining rental calendar of a fixed asset, like a hotel room. In >>> fact, the section in OrderServices where you got your crash looks >>> like something Hans wrote. >> >> >> Yes, you are rigth. >> >> I think looking at it, it is possible as David Jones said, to create >>> a PO with a fixed asset product. Where we're missing though is that >>> this fixed asset needs to be able to be received as a fixed asset >>> and >>> commissioned as a fixed asset, rather than received as inventory >>> right now. That's the big piece we're missing--we should probably >>> have some kind of a routine to create FixedAsset from OrderItem >>> which >>> are of the "Fixed Asset" type. >> >> >> I agree with you. Also we have to think in others kinds of PO.. >> for eg. if I >> contract a service like "Information Technology Service".. the >> product type >> must to be "Services" and the OrderItem type too, and of course >> this kind of >> PO dont have reception.. just a confirmation that the service was >> done. >> >> I think that the accounting of these could work like this: >> (event) when createShipmentReceipt run and OrderItem type is "PO: >> Inventory" >> (action) postShipmentReceiptToGl >> >> (event) when createShipmentReceipt run and OrderItem type is "PO: >> FixedAsset" >> (action) postFixedAssetReceiptToGl >> >> (event) when ... and the OrderItem type is "Services" >> (action) postServiceConfirmToGl >> >> >> -- >> Best Regards, >> >> David Zelaya Herrera > > Best Regards, > > Si > [hidden email] > > > |
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David,
So what do you think would be the best approach for creating a fixed asset after a PO is approved? Should there be a link to receive the fixed asset, as opposed to receive inventory, which causes the fixed asset to be created? On Dec 3, 2006, at 12:56 AM, David E Jones wrote: > David, > > I just read David's post http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006- > May/011004.html and your posting and I think I would suggest > something a little different. The different OrderItemTypes for > product vs fixed asset vs service is a good idea, but it should not > be presented to the user. Rather, it should be possible to set up > a Product as a "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and "Service", and > the storeOrder service should figure out correct OrderItemType for > it. During order creation (shopping cart) any order item is like > any other order item, but then when the order is created the > different types are stored. > Why the groups "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and "Service"? What would those mean? I guess I'm confused because it seems like an arbitrary selection of ProductTypes and other general stuff. A FixedAsset is (or can be) an instance of a Product, which can have a type of "Finished Good", for example. > Then, when the order is created, depending on the different types > of order items, you can 1) receive inventory or ship inventory > (physical products) 2) automatically fulfill for digital products-- > already implemented, you can start your own iTunes with ofbiz 3) > commission a fixed asset item if it's a fixed asset order item and > 4) create a workeffort if it's a service item > Here again this is kind of a funny mix of things, and I'm not sure what sort of process you have in mind. There are generally different processes for different things, and these can of course vary by the company. Purchases and sales are obviously different too. For service sales you could trigger creation of a WorkEffort, but for many companies that plan and quote before they sell the WorkEffort would already exist, for example. -David Best Regards, Si [hidden email] |
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On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Si Chen wrote: > David, > > So what do you think would be the best approach for creating a > fixed asset after a PO is approved? Should there be a link to > receive the fixed asset, as opposed to receive inventory, which > causes the fixed asset to be created? This is usually known when an order is created, hence the different OrderItemTypes to denote this. When an order is received (or the shipment for an order, rather) we can look at those and see what the product purchase was intended for, ie inventory, supplies (expensed), or fixed asset. We could create a UI that allows manually overriding that when the order is received, but even that would start with the original intention denoted by the orderItemTypeId. -David > On Dec 3, 2006, at 12:56 AM, David E Jones wrote: >> David, >> >> I just read David's post http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/2006- >> May/011004.html and your posting and I think I would suggest >> something a little different. The different OrderItemTypes for >> product vs fixed asset vs service is a good idea, but it should >> not be presented to the user. Rather, it should be possible to >> set up a Product as a "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and >> "Service", and the storeOrder service should figure out correct >> OrderItemType for it. During order creation (shopping cart) any >> order item is like any other order item, but then when the order >> is created the different types are stored. >> > > Why the groups "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and "Service"? What > would those mean? I guess I'm confused because it seems like an > arbitrary selection of ProductTypes and other general stuff. A > FixedAsset is (or can be) an instance of a Product, which can have > a type of "Finished Good", for example. > > >> Then, when the order is created, depending on the different types >> of order items, you can 1) receive inventory or ship inventory >> (physical products) 2) automatically fulfill for digital products-- >> already implemented, you can start your own iTunes with ofbiz 3) >> commission a fixed asset item if it's a fixed asset order item and >> 4) create a workeffort if it's a service item >> > > Here again this is kind of a funny mix of things, and I'm not sure > what sort of process you have in mind. There are generally > different processes for different things, and these can of course > vary by the company. Purchases and sales are obviously different > too. For service sales you could trigger creation of a WorkEffort, > but for many companies that plan and quote before they sell the > WorkEffort would already exist, for example. > > -David > > Best Regards, > > Si > [hidden email] > > > |
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Ok, I agree with what you're saying. I guess it doesn't matter as
much what happens when the order is created, but so long as after the order is created, a different step is possible for fixed asset vs. product vs. service. On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:14 AM, David E Jones wrote: > > On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Si Chen wrote: > >> David, >> >> So what do you think would be the best approach for creating a >> fixed asset after a PO is approved? Should there be a link to >> receive the fixed asset, as opposed to receive inventory, which >> causes the fixed asset to be created? > > This is usually known when an order is created, hence the different > OrderItemTypes to denote this. When an order is received (or the > shipment for an order, rather) we can look at those and see what > the product purchase was intended for, ie inventory, supplies > (expensed), or fixed asset. > > We could create a UI that allows manually overriding that when the > order is received, but even that would start with the original > intention denoted by the orderItemTypeId. > > -David > > >> On Dec 3, 2006, at 12:56 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>> David, >>> >>> I just read David's post http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/ >>> 2006-May/011004.html and your posting and I think I would suggest >>> something a little different. The different OrderItemTypes for >>> product vs fixed asset vs service is a good idea, but it should >>> not be presented to the user. Rather, it should be possible to >>> set up a Product as a "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and >>> "Service", and the storeOrder service should figure out correct >>> OrderItemType for it. During order creation (shopping cart) any >>> order item is like any other order item, but then when the order >>> is created the different types are stored. >>> >> >> Why the groups "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and "Service"? What >> would those mean? I guess I'm confused because it seems like an >> arbitrary selection of ProductTypes and other general stuff. A >> FixedAsset is (or can be) an instance of a Product, which can have >> a type of "Finished Good", for example. >> >> >>> Then, when the order is created, depending on the different types >>> of order items, you can 1) receive inventory or ship inventory >>> (physical products) 2) automatically fulfill for digital >>> products--already implemented, you can start your own iTunes with >>> ofbiz 3) commission a fixed asset item if it's a fixed asset >>> order item and 4) create a workeffort if it's a service item >>> >> >> Here again this is kind of a funny mix of things, and I'm not sure >> what sort of process you have in mind. There are generally >> different processes for different things, and these can of course >> vary by the company. Purchases and sales are obviously different >> too. For service sales you could trigger creation of a WorkEffort, >> but for many companies that plan and quote before they sell the >> WorkEffort would already exist, for example. >> >> -David >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Si >> [hidden email] >> >> >> Best Regards, Si [hidden email] |
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Do you mean Fixed Asset versus Inventory versus Supplies versus Service? I still don't see what fixed asset, product, and service have to do with each other... -David On Dec 8, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Si Chen wrote: > Ok, I agree with what you're saying. I guess it doesn't matter as > much what happens when the order is created, but so long as after > the order is created, a different step is possible for fixed asset > vs. product vs. service. > > On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:14 AM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Si Chen wrote: >> >>> David, >>> >>> So what do you think would be the best approach for creating a >>> fixed asset after a PO is approved? Should there be a link to >>> receive the fixed asset, as opposed to receive inventory, which >>> causes the fixed asset to be created? >> >> This is usually known when an order is created, hence the >> different OrderItemTypes to denote this. When an order is received >> (or the shipment for an order, rather) we can look at those and >> see what the product purchase was intended for, ie inventory, >> supplies (expensed), or fixed asset. >> >> We could create a UI that allows manually overriding that when the >> order is received, but even that would start with the original >> intention denoted by the orderItemTypeId. >> >> -David >> >> >>> On Dec 3, 2006, at 12:56 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>>> David, >>>> >>>> I just read David's post http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/ >>>> 2006-May/011004.html and your posting and I think I would >>>> suggest something a little different. The different >>>> OrderItemTypes for product vs fixed asset vs service is a good >>>> idea, but it should not be presented to the user. Rather, it >>>> should be possible to set up a Product as a "Fixed Asset", >>>> "Finished Good", and "Service", and the storeOrder service >>>> should figure out correct OrderItemType for it. During order >>>> creation (shopping cart) any order item is like any other order >>>> item, but then when the order is created the different types are >>>> stored. >>>> >>> >>> Why the groups "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and "Service"? >>> What would those mean? I guess I'm confused because it seems like >>> an arbitrary selection of ProductTypes and other general stuff. A >>> FixedAsset is (or can be) an instance of a Product, which can >>> have a type of "Finished Good", for example. >>> >>> >>>> Then, when the order is created, depending on the different >>>> types of order items, you can 1) receive inventory or ship >>>> inventory (physical products) 2) automatically fulfill for >>>> digital products--already implemented, you can start your own >>>> iTunes with ofbiz 3) commission a fixed asset item if it's a >>>> fixed asset order item and 4) create a workeffort if it's a >>>> service item >>>> >>> >>> Here again this is kind of a funny mix of things, and I'm not >>> sure what sort of process you have in mind. There are generally >>> different processes for different things, and these can of course >>> vary by the company. Purchases and sales are obviously different >>> too. For service sales you could trigger creation of a >>> WorkEffort, but for many companies that plan and quote before >>> they sell the WorkEffort would already exist, for example. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Si >>> [hidden email] >>> >>> >>> > > Best Regards, > > Si > [hidden email] > > > |
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Yes, you're right fixed asset vs. inventory vs. supplies vs.
service. I think there should be separate options for each of these right? Create fixed asset vs. receive inventory vs. create work effort vs. expense supplies directly? On Dec 8, 2006, at 10:19 AM, David E Jones wrote: > > Do you mean Fixed Asset versus Inventory versus Supplies versus > Service? I still don't see what fixed asset, product, and service > have to do with each other... > > -David > > > On Dec 8, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Si Chen wrote: > >> Ok, I agree with what you're saying. I guess it doesn't matter as >> much what happens when the order is created, but so long as after >> the order is created, a different step is possible for fixed asset >> vs. product vs. service. >> >> On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:14 AM, David E Jones wrote: >> >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Si Chen wrote: >>> >>>> David, >>>> >>>> So what do you think would be the best approach for creating a >>>> fixed asset after a PO is approved? Should there be a link to >>>> receive the fixed asset, as opposed to receive inventory, which >>>> causes the fixed asset to be created? >>> >>> This is usually known when an order is created, hence the >>> different OrderItemTypes to denote this. When an order is >>> received (or the shipment for an order, rather) we can look at >>> those and see what the product purchase was intended for, ie >>> inventory, supplies (expensed), or fixed asset. >>> >>> We could create a UI that allows manually overriding that when >>> the order is received, but even that would start with the >>> original intention denoted by the orderItemTypeId. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 3, 2006, at 12:56 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>>>> David, >>>>> >>>>> I just read David's post http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/ >>>>> 2006-May/011004.html and your posting and I think I would >>>>> suggest something a little different. The different >>>>> OrderItemTypes for product vs fixed asset vs service is a good >>>>> idea, but it should not be presented to the user. Rather, it >>>>> should be possible to set up a Product as a "Fixed Asset", >>>>> "Finished Good", and "Service", and the storeOrder service >>>>> should figure out correct OrderItemType for it. During order >>>>> creation (shopping cart) any order item is like any other order >>>>> item, but then when the order is created the different types >>>>> are stored. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Why the groups "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and "Service"? >>>> What would those mean? I guess I'm confused because it seems >>>> like an arbitrary selection of ProductTypes and other general >>>> stuff. A FixedAsset is (or can be) an instance of a Product, >>>> which can have a type of "Finished Good", for example. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Then, when the order is created, depending on the different >>>>> types of order items, you can 1) receive inventory or ship >>>>> inventory (physical products) 2) automatically fulfill for >>>>> digital products--already implemented, you can start your own >>>>> iTunes with ofbiz 3) commission a fixed asset item if it's a >>>>> fixed asset order item and 4) create a workeffort if it's a >>>>> service item >>>>> >>>> >>>> Here again this is kind of a funny mix of things, and I'm not >>>> sure what sort of process you have in mind. There are generally >>>> different processes for different things, and these can of >>>> course vary by the company. Purchases and sales are obviously >>>> different too. For service sales you could trigger creation of a >>>> WorkEffort, but for many companies that plan and quote before >>>> they sell the WorkEffort would already exist, for example. >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Si >>>> [hidden email] >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Si >> [hidden email] >> >> >> Best Regards, Si [hidden email] |
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A "service" is really a type of Product in OFBiz. I guess for the most part when you have a service product you would just receive it as an expensed item, or that would generally be the OrderItemType. Whether the purchase of a service product result in creation of a WorkEffort is a separate issue, and would happen for a service type product regardless of the OrderItemType. I should qualify that would be for sales orders. For purchase orders there would be some way of receiving it, but the point is that when it's received the OrderItemType would determine what should be done with it, and for services the question for purchasing is more about how notification of completion of services is done rather than how to account for them or manage them after receipt, as is the case for goods. -David On Dec 8, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Si Chen wrote: > Yes, you're right fixed asset vs. inventory vs. supplies vs. > service. I think there should be separate options for each of > these right? Create fixed asset vs. receive inventory vs. create > work effort vs. expense supplies directly? > > On Dec 8, 2006, at 10:19 AM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> Do you mean Fixed Asset versus Inventory versus Supplies versus >> Service? I still don't see what fixed asset, product, and service >> have to do with each other... >> >> -David >> >> >> On Dec 8, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Si Chen wrote: >> >>> Ok, I agree with what you're saying. I guess it doesn't matter >>> as much what happens when the order is created, but so long as >>> after the order is created, a different step is possible for >>> fixed asset vs. product vs. service. >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:14 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Si Chen wrote: >>>> >>>>> David, >>>>> >>>>> So what do you think would be the best approach for creating a >>>>> fixed asset after a PO is approved? Should there be a link to >>>>> receive the fixed asset, as opposed to receive inventory, which >>>>> causes the fixed asset to be created? >>>> >>>> This is usually known when an order is created, hence the >>>> different OrderItemTypes to denote this. When an order is >>>> received (or the shipment for an order, rather) we can look at >>>> those and see what the product purchase was intended for, ie >>>> inventory, supplies (expensed), or fixed asset. >>>> >>>> We could create a UI that allows manually overriding that when >>>> the order is received, but even that would start with the >>>> original intention denoted by the orderItemTypeId. >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 3, 2006, at 12:56 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>>>>> David, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just read David's post http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/dev/ >>>>>> 2006-May/011004.html and your posting and I think I would >>>>>> suggest something a little different. The different >>>>>> OrderItemTypes for product vs fixed asset vs service is a good >>>>>> idea, but it should not be presented to the user. Rather, it >>>>>> should be possible to set up a Product as a "Fixed Asset", >>>>>> "Finished Good", and "Service", and the storeOrder service >>>>>> should figure out correct OrderItemType for it. During order >>>>>> creation (shopping cart) any order item is like any other >>>>>> order item, but then when the order is created the different >>>>>> types are stored. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why the groups "Fixed Asset", "Finished Good", and "Service"? >>>>> What would those mean? I guess I'm confused because it seems >>>>> like an arbitrary selection of ProductTypes and other general >>>>> stuff. A FixedAsset is (or can be) an instance of a Product, >>>>> which can have a type of "Finished Good", for example. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Then, when the order is created, depending on the different >>>>>> types of order items, you can 1) receive inventory or ship >>>>>> inventory (physical products) 2) automatically fulfill for >>>>>> digital products--already implemented, you can start your own >>>>>> iTunes with ofbiz 3) commission a fixed asset item if it's a >>>>>> fixed asset order item and 4) create a workeffort if it's a >>>>>> service item >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here again this is kind of a funny mix of things, and I'm not >>>>> sure what sort of process you have in mind. There are generally >>>>> different processes for different things, and these can of >>>>> course vary by the company. Purchases and sales are obviously >>>>> different too. For service sales you could trigger creation of >>>>> a WorkEffort, but for many companies that plan and quote before >>>>> they sell the WorkEffort would already exist, for example. >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Si >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Si >>> [hidden email] >>> >>> >>> > > Best Regards, > > Si > [hidden email] > > > |
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