Re: [OFBiz] Users - would like to changethe contentmanagementcomponent of OfBiz

[Rohit Rai]

Hello all,

The AJAX idea seems sensible, but I can imagine it would be very easy to
get bogged down with this. Perhaps it would be more sensible to follow a
more traditional route in proof of concept and adding AJAX style
features later. The reason I suggest this is that there would be a
mountain of javascript involved (I assume) but javascript on it's own is
not going to get the job done. I would imagine it would be easier to
write javascript once it was more apparent how the CMS actually
worked...

I think we can directly go in with Ajax. I have spent last one whole day and night studying this thing and there are pretty stable JSP Tags with inbuilt AJAX and also toolkits allowing you to simplify the dev with AJAX available. Will write about my study on that tommorow.
 

>From my experience of CMS systems, it would be adequate to leave
template design as a programmer job. I have recently been looking at
Mambo with Si, although not the most exemplar CMS it does seem popular
despite requiring the user to resort to code for a new template (there
is a Dreamweaver plugin to make the job a little easier though).
 

Yes I too have used Mambo and will sya it is one of the best CMS. But then I suggest that template designing should be as simple as possible. May be we use some Java equivalent of PHPtemplates or Smarty (They are there for PHP). That will seperate out the View totally from Model and Control. May be it can be worked out with one of the standards like Struts, JSF or something else. I state I think. Not actually used them.

 

In terms of providing users with a WYSIWYG editor, there are a few out
there and indeed I have already added FCKEditor to the catalog for one
client.

 

Yes, Definetely we need to have an Online WYSIWYG Editor. We have many open source things availble including FCKEditor and HTMLArea.

 

I've never seen Alfresco before, it is pretty damn good isn't it!

I really like the desktop integration and version management. I'm
downloading it now to have a look in a bit more detail.

It really looks Cool. Will be studying it after two days. Working on a Project for now . . .

 

 

 
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[Andrew Sykes]

Rohit,

Thanks for your feedback.

Can you point me in the direction of some of the AJAX libs you mentioned
please?

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[Jacques Le Roux]

Andrew,

Don't know about Rohit's lib but here attached are some "old" messages about
that subject.

Jacques


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> Rohit,
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> Thanks for your feedback.
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> Can you point me in the direction of some of the AJAX libs you mentioned
> please?
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Some competition is in the air see the right bottom of this page
http://openrico.org/rico/demos.page?demo=ricoWeather.html

Jacques

 
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No but I have read a bit about it. Ajax is just a set of recommendations
(like J2EE) and OpenRico is an open-source Ajax implementation (like
Tomcat).

Actually I just played A little bit with their demo features and was very
impressed ! http://openrico.org/rico/demos.page

What must be known, is that it's all made with javascript...

I attach a precedent mail where I had put some interesting links

Jacques

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Subject: [OFBiz] Users - RICO anyone?

> Has anyone played with RICO and openrico.org?  It's like Ajax I've heard.
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We were speaking about AJAX and LAZLO. I know it's not an open-source
library, but the promises of ULC from Canoo http://www.canoo.com/ulc/ seem
very interesting too...

Jacques

PS : http://webtest.canoo.com/manual/WebTestHome.html needs also to be
mentioned
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From: Jacques Le Roux  Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:08 PM

Looking at AJAX, it seems interesting to look also at
http://prototype.conio.net/ and http://openrico.org/demos.page that is based
on the precedent

Don't know more about it, just a suggestion

Jacques

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I did a quick look at both. the Ajax examples wanted to load a new plugin,
so I assume it is not pure java.
the code of laslo has been moved out of the 3.0 frame work and has not
updated to the 3.2 framework.
IMHO if your going to go to all this trouble, why not use a Screen
generator, That generates SWT  code and provide your own library, or one
that ofbiz might provide, to connect to the Framework.

The other is to use a Screen generator that creates Widget code. To this end
I convert the output of my screen generators, XML file to Widgets. Not all
functions are covered in widgets, so I use applets.


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Hi Dale,

I've been heavily looking into this same area for a client, although I've
been looking at an AJAX solution.

I've been reading a lot tonight on Laszlo after taking a new look at your
emails.  It seems that both of us are just starting to delve into this area
as a new rich UI for OFBiz.

First off, lest community members start worrying about forking the project,
my current requirements are for an upcoming contract.  The client loves the
power of OFBiz but is coming from a desktop app and is unimpressed with the
UI.  If there is interest I would be very happy to share our work with the
community.

Dale, I'd be happy to start a dialog with you on Laszlo and AJAX and see
what your goals are and what steered you towards Laszlo.  If there are
others in the community that are interested in this effort, especially David
or Andy, I'd like to see if a group of us could meet over dinner one night
at the conference.

>From my initial research it seems that both Laszlo and AJAX have different
pros and cons that can out weight each other depending on your goals and
experience.  It seems that both can be integrated in widget style
applications so they should be somewhat adaptable to the new widget scheme
of OFBiz.

For some info on AJAX here are a few links:
AJAX Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX
Adaptive Path Essay:
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
Some free AJAX scripts:          http://script.aculo.us/

Very Powerful (Commercial) AJAX Controls - They're commercial but show the
power of AJAX
Grid Control: Check out the Inventory Management Demo - great idea for the
Order Management app
http://developer.ebusiness-apps.com/technologies/webdevelopment/codeandcomponents/ebagrid/productdemos/griddemos.htm
Web Combo Box:
http://developer.ebusiness-apps.com/technologies/webdevelopment/codeandcomponents/ebawebcombov3/media/demos.htm

And of course:
Google Suggests:          http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1
Google Maps:   http://maps.google.com/

Thanks,
Matt

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David,

I think you were the one who expressed intrest in using Lazlo in OfBiz, I
found the following project on Java.net

When you get a chance please tell me what you think.

https://lps4biz.dev.java.net/

Thanks in advance,
Dale

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[Rohit Rai]

Andrew, thanks for reminding me to publish this.

 

I have collected info about seven toolkits, You can find it from my blog at http://mytechrantings.blogspot.com, pretty long to put in mail. Also got a PDF file to download from there.

Personally I find DWR & AjaxTags quite promising. Please read the stuff out and tell me what you think. I am mailing you the PDF.

 

Late entry: http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net/ Java webparts, looks quite intresting too.

 

There was one thing I went through when reading the messages Jaques forwarded.

 

Lazslo: I have worked with that thing. Our company has open source the project to make RIA using Laszlo server. Out of experience I can say, it would not be suitable for use with Ofbiz becuase the LPS is huge and too heavy. Though the language used to describe the UI is XML, the O/P is flash. I think we should remain more cross platform using AJAX stuff. There is also another option to Lazslo i.e. WebORB but it too has the same problems.

 

 

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[Andrew Sykes]

Rohit,

Thanks for all this.

I'll try to digest it early next week and get back to you.

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