Re: svn commit: r564134 - /ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl

[David E Jones]

I think this is the only link in the OFBiz applications that points to another open source project and services company. This is kind of a dangerous precedent.

I'm thinking it's a good time to vote for total removal of this from the code base.

Before we kick off an official vote, any thoughts from anyone?

-David


[hidden email] wrote:

> Author: jacopoc
> Date: Thu Aug  9 01:23:18 2007
> New Revision: 564134
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=rev&rev=564134
> Log:
> Applied change from part of rev. 533335: in order ro avoid confusion to the users, removed reference to Opentaps financial component, that is not part of the upcoming release OFBiz 4.0.
>
> Modified:
>     ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl
>
> Modified: ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl?view=diff&rev=564134&r1=564133&r2=564134
> ==============================================================================
> --- ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl (original)
> +++ ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl Thu Aug  9 01:23:18 2007
> @@ -121,7 +121,9 @@
>  </tr>
>  </table>
>  
> +<!--
>  <p><b>${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote1}</b><br/>
>  ${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote2}
>  <a href="http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/accounting.php">${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote3}</a> ${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote4}</p>
> +-->
>  </div>
>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

I agree that this should not be there

Jacques

De : "David E Jones" <[hidden email]>
>
> I think this is the only link in the OFBiz applications that points to another open source project and services company. This is
kind of a dangerous precedent.

>
> I'm thinking it's a good time to vote for total removal of this from the code base.
>
> Before we kick off an official vote, any thoughts from anyone?
>
> -David
>
>
> [hidden email] wrote:
> > Author: jacopoc
> > Date: Thu Aug  9 01:23:18 2007
> > New Revision: 564134
> >
> > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=rev&rev=564134
> > Log:
> > Applied change from part of rev. 533335: in order ro avoid confusion to the users, removed reference to Opentaps financial

component, that is not part of the upcoming release OFBiz 4.0.
> >
> > Modified:
> >     ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl
> >
> > Modified: ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl
> > URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl?view=diff&rev=564134&r1=564133&r2=564134

> > ==============================================================================
> > --- ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl (original)
> > +++ ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl Thu Aug  9 01:23:18 2007
> > @@ -121,7 +121,9 @@
> >  </tr>
> >  </table>
> >
> > +<!--
> >  <p><b>${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote1}</b><br/>
> >  ${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote2}
> >  <a href="http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/accounting.php">${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote3}</a>

${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote4}</p>
> > +-->
> >  </div>
> >
> >

[Scott Gray]

No arguments here...

Scott

On 09/08/07, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I agree that this should not be there
>
> Jacques
>
> De : "David E Jones" <[hidden email]>
> >
> > I think this is the only link in the OFBiz applications that points to
> another open source project and services company. This is
> kind of a dangerous precedent.
> >
> > I'm thinking it's a good time to vote for total removal of this from the
> code base.
> >
> > Before we kick off an official vote, any thoughts from anyone?
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> > [hidden email] wrote:
> > > Author: jacopoc
> > > Date: Thu Aug  9 01:23:18 2007
> > > New Revision: 564134
> > >
> > > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=rev&rev=564134
> > > Log:
> > > Applied change from part of rev. 533335: in order ro avoid confusion
> to the users, removed reference to Opentaps financial
> component, that is not part of the upcoming release OFBiz 4.0.
> > >
> > > Modified:
> > >
> ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl
> > >
> > > Modified:
> ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl
> > > URL:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl?view=diff&rev=564134&r1=564133&r2=564134
> > >
> ==============================================================================
> > > ---
> ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl
> (original)
> > > +++
> ofbiz/branches/release4.0/applications/accounting/webapp/accounting/main.ftl
> Thu Aug  9 01:23:18 2007
> > > @@ -121,7 +121,9 @@
> > >  </tr>
> > >  </table>
> > >
> > > +<!--
> > >  <p><b>${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote1}</b><br/>
> > >  ${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote2}
> > >  <a href="http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/accounting.php">${
> uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote3}</a>
> ${uiLabelMap.AccountingMainPageNote4}</p>
> > > +-->
> > >  </div>
> > >
> > >
>
>

[Walter Vaughan]

David E Jones wrote:

> I think this is the only link in the OFBiz applications that points to
> another open source project and services company. This is kind of a
> dangerous precedent.

> Before we kick off an official vote, any thoughts from anyone?

I think the word "dangerous" is slightly inflammatory. However, at the end of
the day do we really want to have advertisements all over the project for add on
open source modules?

I don't for one.

What we need is a well organized, highly visible place for things that attach to
the project that live in the hot-deploy directory. We should be encouraging an
ecosystem of plugable add-ins be they true-open, viral-open, or
closed-commercial variety.

Just my BigDecimal twoCents = new BigDecimal(".02");

==
Walter

[David E Jones]

Walter Vaughan wrote:
> David E Jones wrote:
>
>> I think this is the only link in the OFBiz applications that points to
>> another open source project and services company. This is kind of a
>> dangerous precedent.
>
>> Before we kick off an official vote, any thoughts from anyone?
>
> I think the word "dangerous" is slightly inflammatory.

In what way? Could you be more specific?

> However, at the
> end of the day do we really want to have advertisements all over the
> project for add on open source modules?
>
> I don't for one.
>
> What we need is a well organized, highly visible place for things that
> attach to the project that live in the hot-deploy directory. We should
> be encouraging an ecosystem of plugable add-ins be they true-open,
> viral-open, or closed-commercial variety.

For projects/products based on OFBiz:

http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+User+List

For companies offering services/etc based on OFBiz:

http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Service+Providers

Both of these are linked to directly from the ofbiz.apache.org home page.

This is certainly something that can be improved.

What did you have in mind that is different from this?

-David

[Walter Vaughan]

David E Jones wrote:
> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>> I think the word "dangerous" is slightly inflammatory.
> In what way? Could you be more specific?

It's not like someone just slipped this in. It's been in OFBiz ever since I knew
of the project... at least over a year. I think of "dangerous precedent" in
windows of shorter time spans.

>> What we need is a well organized, highly visible place for things that
>> attach to the project that live in the hot-deploy directory. We should
>> be encouraging an ecosystem of plugable add-ins be they true-open,
>> viral-open, or closed-commercial variety.
>
>
> For projects/products based on OFBiz:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+User+List

What's missing is content in the description of what features. I just noticed
those pages were posted in the last day, so that's an unfair criticism.

Also we're not using any sort of normal jargon like "Add-ons", "Plug-ins",
"Enhancements", "Extensions" or whatever to help grow and support these efforts.

> This is certainly something that can be improved.
>
> What did you have in mind that is different from this?

May be a link that says "ofBiz Add-ons"?

What hurts us is that we loose consistent branding from the main site to the
wiki, and the wiki's logo puts you in "geek h-e-double toothpicks". I can hardly
imagine what the Michael J. Scott's of the world think when they land on that
dashboard page.

[David E Jones]

Walter Vaughan wrote:
> David E Jones wrote:
>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>>> I think the word "dangerous" is slightly inflammatory.
>> In what way? Could you be more specific?
>
> It's not like someone just slipped this in. It's been in OFBiz ever
> since I knew of the project... at least over a year. I think of
> "dangerous precedent" in windows of shorter time spans.

Good point! We're lucky no one else has tried to do this in that time.

>>> What we need is a well organized, highly visible place for things
>>> that attach to the project that live in the hot-deploy directory. We
>>> should be encouraging an ecosystem of plugable add-ins be they
>>> true-open, viral-open, or closed-commercial variety.
>>
>>
>> For projects/products based on OFBiz:
>>
>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+User+List
>
> What's missing is content in the description of what features. I just
> noticed those pages were posted in the last day, so that's an unfair
> criticism.
>
> Also we're not using any sort of normal jargon like "Add-ons",
> "Plug-ins", "Enhancements", "Extensions" or whatever to help grow and
> support these efforts.
>
>> This is certainly something that can be improved.
>>
>> What did you have in mind that is different from this?
>
> May be a link that says "ofBiz Add-ons"?
>
> What hurts us is that we loose consistent branding from the main site to
> the wiki, and the wiki's logo puts you in "geek h-e-double toothpicks".
> I can hardly imagine what the Michael J. Scott's of the world think when
> they land on that dashboard page.

I totally agree with you, we need a LOT of improvements in the marketing side of OFBiz. That just hasn't been something very many people have contributed to.

Because of the typical motivation of OFBiz users there is a lot of code moving around, but no central group to help out with marketing efforts. A few have expressed interest but only limited efforts have happened so far.

Are these things you'd like to help with? Or is anyone else inspired by this?

-David

[Walter Vaughan]

David E Jones wrote:

> I totally agree with you, we need a LOT of improvements in the marketing
> side of OFBiz. That just hasn't been something very many people have
> contributed to.
>
> Because of the typical motivation of OFBiz users there is a lot of code
> moving around, but no central group to help out with marketing efforts.
> A few have expressed interest but only limited efforts have happened so
> far.
>
> Are these things you'd like to help with? Or is anyone else inspired by
> this?

I had wrote and then deleted a message where I thought the project needs a
marketing and publicity committee. There has to be people who are directly
effected by the continued success of ofBiz and it's derivative products that are
  not code-slingers.

Every good thing that gets into ofBiz eventually helps my company. And the more
companies use and require more features, the more good things happen.

That committee needs "pointed headed bosses" and marketing people who "get" open
source in order to lead the way. They exist. We just gotta get them involved.

--
Walter

[Adrian Crum]

As a start, maybe you could write a testimonial that can be linked to from the home page.

Walter Vaughan wrote:

> David E Jones wrote:
>
>> I totally agree with you, we need a LOT of improvements in the
>> marketing side of OFBiz. That just hasn't been something very many
>> people have contributed to.
>>
>> Because of the typical motivation of OFBiz users there is a lot of
>> code moving around, but no central group to help out with marketing
>> efforts. A few have expressed interest but only limited efforts have
>> happened so far.
>>
>> Are these things you'd like to help with? Or is anyone else inspired
>> by this?
>
>
> I had wrote and then deleted a message where I thought the project needs
> a marketing and publicity committee. There has to be people who are
> directly effected by the continued success of ofBiz and it's derivative
> products that are  not code-slingers.
>
> Every good thing that gets into ofBiz eventually helps my company. And
> the more companies use and require more features, the more good things
> happen.
>
> That committee needs "pointed headed bosses" and marketing people who
> "get" open source in order to lead the way. They exist. We just gotta
> get them involved.
>
> --
> Walter
>