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Jacopo Cappellato-4
Hi Jacques,

it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and workflows on resources that are not part of the ASF.

My 2 cents,

Jacopo


On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Author: jleroux
> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
> New Revision: 929073
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
> Log:
> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
> We will see if it's of any value...
>
> Modified:
>    ofbiz/site/index.html
>
> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>                 <li><a href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li>
>                 <li><a href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>                 <li><a href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04 Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
> -                <li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li>
> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li -->
> <!-- Removed for now - this has not been duplicated on apache infrastructure -->
> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> -->
>             </ul>
> +
> +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3>
> +            <ul class="sidemenu">
> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new ideas...</a></li>
> +            </ul>
>
>             <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html" target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3>
>         </div>
>
>

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Re: svn commit: r929073 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

Scott Gray-2
+1

Regards
Scott

On 30/03/2010, at 6:27 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> Hi Jacques,
>
> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and workflows on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> Author: jleroux
>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>> New Revision: 929073
>>
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>> Log:
>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>
>> Modified:
>>   ofbiz/site/index.html
>>
>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>> ==============================================================================
>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>                <li><a href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li>
>>                <li><a href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>>                <li><a href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04 Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>> -                <li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li>
>> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li -->
>> <!-- Removed for now - this has not been duplicated on apache infrastructure -->
>> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> -->
>>            </ul>
>> +
>> +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3>
>> +            <ul class="sidemenu">
>> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new ideas...</a></li>
>> +            </ul>
>>
>>            <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html" target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3>
>>        </div>
>>
>>
>


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Re: svn commit: r929073 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

Jacques Le Roux
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Hi Jacopo,

Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it proves
useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on her site.

Jacques

From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>

> Hi Jacques,
>
> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and workflows on
> resources that are not part of the ASF.
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> Author: jleroux
>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>> New Revision: 929073
>>
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>> Log:
>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>
>> Modified:
>>    ofbiz/site/index.html
>>
>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>> ==============================================================================
>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>                 <li><a
>> href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management
>> Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li>
>>                 <li><a href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this
>> demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>>                 <li><a
>> href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04
>> Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>> -                <li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known
>> trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li>
>> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all
>> known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li -->
>> <!-- Removed for now - this has not been duplicated on apache infrastructure -->
>> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br /><span>trunk and release demo log
>> files.</span></a></li> -->
>>             </ul>
>> +
>> +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3>
>> +            <ul class="sidemenu">
>> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new ideas...</a></li>
>> +            </ul>
>>
>>             <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
>> target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3>
>>         </div>
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: svn commit: r929073 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

Jacopo Cappellato-4
Understood.
What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when needed in conversation in the lists?

Jacopo

On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Hi Jacopo,
>
> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it proves useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on her site.
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>> Hi Jacques,
>>
>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and workflows on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>>> Author: jleroux
>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>
>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>> Log:
>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>
>>> Modified:
>>>   ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>
>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>> ==============================================================================
>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>                <li><a href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li>
>>>                <li><a href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>>>                <li><a href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04 Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>>> -                <li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li>
>>> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li -->
>>> <!-- Removed for now - this has not been duplicated on apache infrastructure -->
>>> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> -->
>>>            </ul>
>>> +
>>> +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3>
>>> +            <ul class="sidemenu">
>>> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new ideas...</a></li>
>>> +            </ul>
>>>
>>>            <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html" target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3>
>>>        </div>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Re: svn commit: r929073 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

Jacques Le Roux
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Actually I'd want to measure what happens from the main site. If there are nothing of few changes it will not be worth to create
something in OFBiz.
In one month or so we should have an idea about that.

Jacques

From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>

> Understood.
> What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when needed in
> conversation in the lists?
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Hi Jacopo,
>>
>> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it proves
>> useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on her site.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>
>>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and workflows on
>>> resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents,
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>>
>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>>> Log:
>>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>>
>>>> Modified:
>>>>   ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>
>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>>                <li><a
>>>> href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management
>>>> Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li>
>>>>                <li><a href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this
>>>> demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>>>>                <li><a
>>>> href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04
>>>> Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>>>> -                <li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known
>>>> trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li>
>>>> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all
>>>> known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li -->
>>>> <!-- Removed for now - this has not been duplicated on apache infrastructure -->
>>>> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br /><span>trunk and release demo log
>>>> files.</span></a></li> -->
>>>>            </ul>
>>>> +
>>>> +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3>
>>>> +            <ul class="sidemenu">
>>>> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new ideas...</a></li>
>>>> +            </ul>
>>>>
>>>>            <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
>>>> target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3>
>>>>        </div>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: svn commit: r929073 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

Scott Gray-2
I would prefer to keep it off the main page until the community proves that it is something they want by using it, at that point we could consider making it an official resource.  I don't want the main page to be a proving ground for ideas that may or may not work out.

Regards
Scott

On 30/03/2010, at 8:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Actually I'd want to measure what happens from the main site. If there are nothing of few changes it will not be worth to create something in OFBiz.
> In one month or so we should have an idea about that.
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>> Understood.
>> What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when needed in conversation in the lists?
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>
>>> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it proves useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on her site.
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>
>>>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and workflows on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>>>
>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>>>> Log:
>>>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>>>
>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>  ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>>>               <li><a href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li>
>>>>>               <li><a href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>>>>>               <li><a href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04 Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li>
>>>>> -                <li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li>
>>>>> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li -->
>>>>> <!-- Removed for now - this has not been duplicated on apache infrastructure -->
>>>>> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> -->
>>>>>           </ul>
>>>>> +
>>>>> +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3>
>>>>> +            <ul class="sidemenu">
>>>>> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new ideas...</a></li>
>>>>> +            </ul>
>>>>>
>>>>>           <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html" target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3>
>>>>>       </div>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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Re: svn commit: r929073 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

Jacques Le Roux
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Jacopo, Scott,

What kind of issues do you fear?

Jacques

Scott Gray wrote:

> I would prefer to keep it off the main page until the community proves that it is something they want by using it, at that point
> we could consider making it an official resource.  I don't want the main page to be a proving ground for ideas that may or may
> not work out.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 30/03/2010, at 8:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Actually I'd want to measure what happens from the main site. If there are nothing of few changes it will not be worth to create
>> something in OFBiz. In one month or so we should have an idea about that.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>> Understood.
>>> What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when needed
>>> in conversation in the lists?
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>
>>>> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it
>>>> proves useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on her
>>>> site.
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>
>>>>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and workflows
>>>>> on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>>>>
>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>>>>
>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>>>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>  ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>>>>               <li><a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management
>>>>>> Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>> href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based on the
>>>>>> 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04
>>>>>> Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> -                <li><a
>>>>>> href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release
>>>>>> demo servers.</span></a></li> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo
>>>>>> Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li --> <!-- Removed for now - this has
>>>>>> not been duplicated on apache infrastructure --> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br
>>>>>> /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> --> </ul> + +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3> +
>>>>>> <ul class="sidemenu"> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new
>>>>>> ideas...</a></li> +            </ul>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
>>>>>>       target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3> </div>


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Jacopo Cappellato-4
On Mar 30, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Jacopo, Scott,
>
> What kind of issues do you fear?

Actually no fear nor issues: just a bit of confusion. And also it seems to me more natural to test a tool "internally" (i.e. in the dev list) and if we like it then make it official and publish it.
But I don't have a strong opinion, and if you think it is the right way to go then for me it's fine.

Jacopo

>
> Jacques
>
> Scott Gray wrote:
>> I would prefer to keep it off the main page until the community proves that it is something they want by using it, at that point
>> we could consider making it an official resource.  I don't want the main page to be a proving ground for ideas that may or may
>> not work out.
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> On 30/03/2010, at 8:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> Actually I'd want to measure what happens from the main site. If there are nothing of few changes it will not be worth to create
>>> something in OFBiz. In one month or so we should have an idea about that.
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Understood.
>>>> What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when needed
>>>> in conversation in the lists?
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it
>>>>> proves useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on her
>>>>> site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and workflows
>>>>>> on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>>>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>>>>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>>>>>              <li><a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management
>>>>>>> Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>> href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based on the
>>>>>>> 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04
>>>>>>> Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> -                <li><a
>>>>>>> href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release
>>>>>>> demo servers.</span></a></li> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo
>>>>>>> Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li --> <!-- Removed for now - this has
>>>>>>> not been duplicated on apache infrastructure --> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br
>>>>>>> /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> --> </ul> + +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3> +
>>>>>>> <ul class="sidemenu"> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new
>>>>>>> ideas...</a></li> +            </ul>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
>>>>>>>      target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3> </div>
>
>

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Scott Gray-2
My opinion is strong, I think it should be removed.

Things I don't like:
- as far as I can tell there has been no activity on the site, even though it has been almost 3 weeks since you first mentioned it
- you've received no positive comments from any other committers as far as I am aware
- the lack of activity on the site could appear to first time visitors to be a lack of activity on OFBiz
- I do not like _anyone_ modifying the home page without first discussing it, that page is very important to the project

Like I said, the most appropriate thing to do would be to get plenty of community activity around it and then discuss the possibility of making it an official resource.  No one here has the ability to unilaterally define to what is an official OFBiz resource without the consensus of the community as I'm sure recent events have proven.

Regards
Scott

On 30/03/2010, at 9:29 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> On Mar 30, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Jacopo, Scott,
>>
>> What kind of issues do you fear?
>
> Actually no fear nor issues: just a bit of confusion. And also it seems to me more natural to test a tool "internally" (i.e. in the dev list) and if we like it then make it official and publish it.
> But I don't have a strong opinion, and if you think it is the right way to go then for me it's fine.
>
> Jacopo
>
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>> I would prefer to keep it off the main page until the community proves that it is something they want by using it, at that point
>>> we could consider making it an official resource.  I don't want the main page to be a proving ground for ideas that may or may
>>> not work out.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 30/03/2010, at 8:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually I'd want to measure what happens from the main site. If there are nothing of few changes it will not be worth to create
>>>> something in OFBiz. In one month or so we should have an idea about that.
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Understood.
>>>>> What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when needed
>>>>> in conversation in the lists?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it
>>>>>> proves useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on her
>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and workflows
>>>>>>> on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>>>>>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>>>>>>             <li><a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management
>>>>>>>> Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>> href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based on the
>>>>>>>> 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04
>>>>>>>> Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> -                <li><a
>>>>>>>> href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release
>>>>>>>> demo servers.</span></a></li> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo
>>>>>>>> Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li --> <!-- Removed for now - this has
>>>>>>>> not been duplicated on apache infrastructure --> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br
>>>>>>>> /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> --> </ul> + +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3> +
>>>>>>>> <ul class="sidemenu"> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new
>>>>>>>> ideas...</a></li> +            </ul>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
>>>>>>>>     target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3> </div>
>>
>>
>


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Jacques Le Roux
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Actually I already tried 2 tools from user ML
http://markmail.org/message/dfwmoj45cgojgp5d

I chose ideascale because it allows negative votes

Jacques

From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>

> On Mar 30, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Jacopo, Scott,
>>
>> What kind of issues do you fear?
>
> Actually no fear nor issues: just a bit of confusion. And also it seems to me more natural to test a tool "internally" (i.e. in
> the dev list) and if we like it then make it official and publish it.
> But I don't have a strong opinion, and if you think it is the right way to go then for me it's fine.
>
> Jacopo
>
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>> I would prefer to keep it off the main page until the community proves that it is something they want by using it, at that point
>>> we could consider making it an official resource.  I don't want the main page to be a proving ground for ideas that may or may
>>> not work out.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 30/03/2010, at 8:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually I'd want to measure what happens from the main site. If there are nothing of few changes it will not be worth to
>>>> create
>>>> something in OFBiz. In one month or so we should have an idea about that.
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Understood.
>>>>> What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when needed
>>>>> in conversation in the lists?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it
>>>>>> proves useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on her
>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and
>>>>>>> workflows
>>>>>>> on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>>>>>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>>>>>>              <li><a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management
>>>>>>>> Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>> href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04
>>>>>>>> Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> -                <li><a
>>>>>>>> href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release
>>>>>>>> demo servers.</span></a></li> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo
>>>>>>>> Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li --> <!-- Removed for now - this has
>>>>>>>> not been duplicated on apache infrastructure --> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br
>>>>>>>> /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> --> </ul> + +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3> +
>>>>>>>> <ul class="sidemenu"> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new
>>>>>>>> ideas...</a></li> +            </ul>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
>>>>>>>>      target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3> </div>
>>
>>
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Jacques Le Roux
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There are anything in ideascale because I cleaned it before putting the link from home page

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>

> Actually I already tried 2 tools from user ML
> http://markmail.org/message/dfwmoj45cgojgp5d
>
> I chose ideascale because it allows negative votes
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> Jacopo, Scott,
>>>
>>> What kind of issues do you fear?
>>
>> Actually no fear nor issues: just a bit of confusion. And also it seems to me more natural to test a tool "internally" (i.e. in
>> the dev list) and if we like it then make it official and publish it.
>> But I don't have a strong opinion, and if you think it is the right way to go then for me it's fine.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>> I would prefer to keep it off the main page until the community proves that it is something they want by using it, at that
>>>> point
>>>> we could consider making it an official resource.  I don't want the main page to be a proving ground for ideas that may or may
>>>> not work out.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 30/03/2010, at 8:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually I'd want to measure what happens from the main site. If there are nothing of few changes it will not be worth to
>>>>> create
>>>>> something in OFBiz. In one month or so we should have an idea about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Understood.
>>>>>> What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when
>>>>>> needed
>>>>>> in conversation in the lists?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it
>>>>>>> proves useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on her
>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and
>>>>>>>> workflows
>>>>>>>> on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>>>>>>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>>>>>>>              <li><a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management
>>>>>>>>> Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>>> href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04
>>>>>>>>> Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> -
>>>>>>>>> <li><a
>>>>>>>>> href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release
>>>>>>>>> demo servers.</span></a></li> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo
>>>>>>>>> Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li --> <!-- Removed for now - this has
>>>>>>>>> not been duplicated on apache infrastructure --> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log
>>>>>>>>> Files<br
>>>>>>>>> /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> --> </ul> + +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3> +
>>>>>>>>> <ul class="sidemenu"> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new
>>>>>>>>> ideas...</a></li> +            </ul>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
>>>>>>>>>      target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3> </div>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Scott Gray-2
Well that makes it a little difficult to determine how useful it was being.  I would still like to see it removed from the main page for now.  Why not just create a wiki page with an overview of the tool's purpose and link to it from that?  You could point people to it in mailing list discussions and over time we can see how useful it might be.

Regards
Scott

On 30/03/2010, at 9:57 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> There are anything in ideascale because I cleaned it before putting the link from home page
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>> Actually I already tried 2 tools from user ML
>> http://markmail.org/message/dfwmoj45cgojgp5d
>>
>> I chose ideascale because it allows negative votes
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jacopo, Scott,
>>>>
>>>> What kind of issues do you fear?
>>>
>>> Actually no fear nor issues: just a bit of confusion. And also it seems to me more natural to test a tool "internally" (i.e. in the dev list) and if we like it then make it official and publish it.
>>> But I don't have a strong opinion, and if you think it is the right way to go then for me it's fine.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>> I would prefer to keep it off the main page until the community proves that it is something they want by using it, at that point
>>>>> we could consider making it an official resource.  I don't want the main page to be a proving ground for ideas that may or may
>>>>> not work out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30/03/2010, at 8:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I'd want to measure what happens from the main site. If there are nothing of few changes it will not be worth to create
>>>>>> something in OFBiz. In one month or so we should have an idea about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Understood.
>>>>>>> What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when needed
>>>>>>> in conversation in the lists?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it
>>>>>>>> proves useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on her
>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and workflows
>>>>>>>>> on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>>>>>>>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>>>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>>>>>>>>             <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management
>>>>>>>>>> Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>>>> href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based on the
>>>>>>>>>> 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04
>>>>>>>>>> Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> - <li><a
>>>>>>>>>> href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release
>>>>>>>>>> demo servers.</span></a></li> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo
>>>>>>>>>> Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li --> <!-- Removed for now - this has
>>>>>>>>>> not been duplicated on apache infrastructure --> <!--                <li><a href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br
>>>>>>>>>> /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> --> </ul> + +            <h3>Share your ideas!</h3> +
>>>>>>>>>> <ul class="sidemenu"> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/" target="_blank">Vote or submit new
>>>>>>>>>> ideas...</a></li> +            </ul>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
>>>>>>>>>>     target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3> </div>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Jacques Le Roux
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Scott,

I already tried a notice from the user mailing list. I got some answers then http://ofbiz.uservoice.com/forums/45214-general but not
much (almost any) answers after this moment.
I did any notices in user ML but got already one answer from main page. I'd just like to see how it will go for, say some days. Then
we will know if it's worth it. I'm pretty sure that a link in a page in the wiki is a waste of time.

Anyway if you really feel it should be removed go ahead. It's not a big deal for now, only an experiment. I agree it makes some
changes.
It's another way, not meritocracy (only PMC members have a voice, and a veto) but democratie (anybody can suggest and vote, but
nothing may happen).
Because nothing may happen, some would say it's populism. But I'm confident in users cleverness, and some new interesting ideas may
come up. Also we may caught users interest beyond ours (for instance 1st suggestion is a QB export)
I believe the best place is the home page, because it where it should have the best exposure (we have any measures)

Jacques

Scott Gray wrote:

> Well that makes it a little difficult to determine how useful it was being.  I would still like to see it removed from the main
> page for now.  Why not just create a wiki page with an overview of the tool's purpose and link to it from that?  You could point
> people to it in mailing list discussions and over time we can see how useful it might be.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 30/03/2010, at 9:57 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> There are anything in ideascale because I cleaned it before putting the link from home page
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>>> Actually I already tried 2 tools from user ML
>>> http://markmail.org/message/dfwmoj45cgojgp5d
>>>
>>> I chose ideascale because it allows negative votes
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo, Scott,
>>>>>
>>>>> What kind of issues do you fear?
>>>>
>>>> Actually no fear nor issues: just a bit of confusion. And also it seems to me more natural to test a tool "internally" (i.e.
>>>> in the dev list) and if we like it then make it official and publish it. But I don't have a strong opinion, and if you think
>>>> it is the right way to go then for me it's fine.
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>>> I would prefer to keep it off the main page until the community proves that it is something they want by using it, at that
>>>>>> point we could consider making it an official resource.  I don't want the main page to be a proving ground for ideas that
>>>>>> may or may not work out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/03/2010, at 8:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually I'd want to measure what happens from the main site. If there are nothing of few changes it will not be worth to
>>>>>>> create something in OFBiz. In one month or so we should have an idea about that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>> Understood.
>>>>>>>> What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when
>>>>>>>> needed in conversation in the lists?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it
>>>>>>>>> proves useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on
>>>>>>>>> her site.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and
>>>>>>>>>> workflows on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>>>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>>>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>>>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>>>>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>>>>>>>>>             <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management
>>>>>>>>>>> Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>> href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based
>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>> 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04
>>>>>>>>>>> Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> - <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>> href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and
>>>>>>>>>>> release demo servers.</span></a></li> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All
>>>>>>>>>>> Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li --> <!-- Removed for
>>>>>>>>>>> now - this has not been duplicated on apache infrastructure --> <!--                <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>> href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> --> </ul> + +
>>>>>>>>>>> <h3>Share your ideas!</h3> + <ul class="sidemenu"> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/"
>>>>>>>>>>> target="_blank">Vote or submit new ideas...</a></li> +            </ul>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
>>>>>>>>>>>     target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3> </div>


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Scott Gray-2
On 30/03/2010, at 2:03 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Anyway if you really feel it should be removed go ahead. It's not a big deal for now, only an experiment.

Thanks Jacques, done in r929256

Regards
Scott

>
> Scott Gray wrote:
>> Well that makes it a little difficult to determine how useful it was being.  I would still like to see it removed from the main
>> page for now.  Why not just create a wiki page with an overview of the tool's purpose and link to it from that?  You could point
>> people to it in mailing list discussions and over time we can see how useful it might be.
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> On 30/03/2010, at 9:57 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> There are anything in ideascale because I cleaned it before putting the link from home page
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Actually I already tried 2 tools from user ML
>>>> http://markmail.org/message/dfwmoj45cgojgp5d
>>>>
>>>> I chose ideascale because it allows negative votes
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo, Scott,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What kind of issues do you fear?
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually no fear nor issues: just a bit of confusion. And also it seems to me more natural to test a tool "internally" (i.e.
>>>>> in the dev list) and if we like it then make it official and publish it. But I don't have a strong opinion, and if you think
>>>>> it is the right way to go then for me it's fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> I would prefer to keep it off the main page until the community proves that it is something they want by using it, at that
>>>>>>> point we could consider making it an official resource.  I don't want the main page to be a proving ground for ideas that
>>>>>>> may or may not work out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30/03/2010, at 8:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually I'd want to measure what happens from the main site. If there are nothing of few changes it will not be worth to
>>>>>>>> create something in OFBiz. In one month or so we should have an idea about that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>> Understood.
>>>>>>>>> What if, in this testing phase, we remove the reference from the official page of the project and just point to it when
>>>>>>>>> needed in conversation in the lists?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes that's why I was reluctant to do it. I don't expect much of it. As I said it's much a test than anything else. If it
>>>>>>>>>> proves useful we could develop something specific for that based on Survey. I think that Ruth is already using Survey on
>>>>>>>>>> her site.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it seems interesting but I feel like we should try to avoid (whenever possible) to base our community processes and
>>>>>>>>>>> workflows on resources that are not part of the ASF.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Author: jleroux
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Revision: 929073
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=929073&view=rev
>>>>>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Testing http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> We will see if it's of any value...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=929073&r1=929072&r2=929073&view=diff
>>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>>>>>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Tue Mar 30 10:45:46 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -278,10 +278,15 @@
>>>>>>>>>>>>            <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">Management
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the current svn trunk</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>>> href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main">9.04 Front-End Store <br /><span>this demo is based
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> href="https://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/login/main?USERNAME=flexadmin&amp;PASSWORD=ofbiz&amp;JavaScriptEnabled=Y">9.04
>>>>>>>>>>>> Management Apps<br /><span>this demo is based on the 9.04 Release Candidate branch.</span></a></li> - <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>>> href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and
>>>>>>>>>>>> release demo servers.</span></a></li> +                <!-- li><a href="http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/oQBk">All
>>>>>>>>>>>> Known Demo Servers<br /><span> A list of all known trunk and release demo servers.</span></a></li --> <!-- Removed for
>>>>>>>>>>>> now - this has not been duplicated on apache infrastructure --> <!--                <li><a
>>>>>>>>>>>> href="http://log.ofbiz.org/">Daily Log Files<br /><span>trunk and release demo log files.</span></a></li> --> </ul> + +
>>>>>>>>>>>> <h3>Share your ideas!</h3> + <ul class="sidemenu"> +              <li><a href="http://ofbiz.ideascale.com/"
>>>>>>>>>>>> target="_blank">Vote or submit new ideas...</a></li> +            </ul>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>        <h3>General Apache Software Foundation <a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
>>>>>>>>>>>>    target="_blank">Sponsors</a></h3> </div>
>
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