Service class reloading

[Muhammad Aamir]

Drawback of implementing service in Java is that whenever you make any
change in the source, you'll have to restart the server. Does anybody know
the workaround for that. I tried Apache Commons JCI but it didn't work.

Please don't advice to use groovy, for some reason I don't want to use it.

Thanks

[Jacques Le Roux]

That's why minilang exists!

Jacques

From: "Muhammad Aamir" <[hidden email]>
> Drawback of implementing service in Java is that whenever you make any
> change in the source, you'll have to restart the server. Does anybody know
> the workaround for that. I tried Apache Commons JCI but it didn't work.
>
> Please don't advice to use groovy, for some reason I don't want to use it.
>
> Thanks
>

[Muhammad Aamir]

Is minilang a complete replacement of Java language?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> That's why minilang exists!
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Muhammad Aamir" <[hidden email]>
>
>  Drawback of implementing service in Java is that whenever you make any
>> change in the source, you'll have to restart the server. Does anybody know
>> the workaround for that. I tried Apache Commons JCI but it didn't work.
>>
>> Please don't advice to use groovy, for some reason I don't want to use it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

To know more about it, look for "simple method" in wiki from main page
For easier search I just also added labels: minilang, minilanguage, simple-method, simple, method

Jacques

From: "Muhammad Aamir" <[hidden email]>

> Is minilang a complete replacement of Java language?
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> That's why minilang exists!
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Muhammad Aamir" <[hidden email]>
>>
>>  Drawback of implementing service in Java is that whenever you make any
>>> change in the source, you'll have to restart the server. Does anybody know
>>> the workaround for that. I tried Apache Commons JCI but it didn't work.
>>>
>>> Please don't advice to use groovy, for some reason I don't want to use it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[James McGill-5]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Muhammad Aamir <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Is minilang a complete replacement of Java language?
>

This is not the intention of Minilang.  It's a matter of opinion as to
whether Minilang is easier to maintain than the eqivalent Java.
 Minilang is excellent for much of the work that is commonly done in the
service layer, especially simple create and update operations, getting lists
using variables that are automatically bound from the context, checking
permissions, etc.  This kind of thing is very common in OFBiz, so there are
numerous examples.

Since you have <call-bsh> in minilang, you also have the option of using
java grammar inline.   There are plenty of things that are simple to do in
Java that might be very difficult or impossible to do in Minilang, and in my
opinion there are Minilang routines in the OFBiz distribution that appear to
have gone through enough evolution, that they would be better, in the long
run, ported to Java.

--
James McGill
Phoenix AZ

[Muhammad Aamir]

Actually I am aware of minilang and have used it earlier. The reason I want
to minimize the use of it (in addition to its limitation) is that I don't
want to release the source code of my application.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:47 PM, James McGill <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Muhammad Aamir <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Is minilang a complete replacement of Java language?
> >
>
> This is not the intention of Minilang.  It's a matter of opinion as to
> whether Minilang is easier to maintain than the eqivalent Java.
>  Minilang is excellent for much of the work that is commonly done in the
> service layer, especially simple create and update operations, getting
> lists
> using variables that are automatically bound from the context, checking
> permissions, etc.  This kind of thing is very common in OFBiz, so there are
> numerous examples.
>
> Since you have <call-bsh> in minilang, you also have the option of using
> java grammar inline.   There are plenty of things that are simple to do in
> Java that might be very difficult or impossible to do in Minilang, and in
> my
> opinion there are Minilang routines in the OFBiz distribution that appear
> to
> have gone through enough evolution, that they would be better, in the long
> run, ported to Java.
>
> --
> James McGill
> Phoenix AZ
>

[Scott Gray-2]

I know you said not to mention groovy but you could always just write your service in groovy using standard java and then drop it into a java file when you're done.

Regards
Scott

HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

On 29/06/2010, at 1:46 PM, Muhammad Aamir wrote:

> Actually I am aware of minilang and have used it earlier. The reason I want
> to minimize the use of it (in addition to its limitation) is that I don't
> want to release the source code of my application.
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:47 PM, James McGill <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Muhammad Aamir <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Is minilang a complete replacement of Java language?
>>>
>>
>> This is not the intention of Minilang.  It's a matter of opinion as to
>> whether Minilang is easier to maintain than the eqivalent Java.
>> Minilang is excellent for much of the work that is commonly done in the
>> service layer, especially simple create and update operations, getting
>> lists
>> using variables that are automatically bound from the context, checking
>> permissions, etc.  This kind of thing is very common in OFBiz, so there are
>> numerous examples.
>>
>> Since you have <call-bsh> in minilang, you also have the option of using
>> java grammar inline.   There are plenty of things that are simple to do in
>> Java that might be very difficult or impossible to do in Minilang, and in
>> my
>> opinion there are Minilang routines in the OFBiz distribution that appear
>> to
>> have gone through enough evolution, that they would be better, in the long
>> run, ported to Java.
>>
>> --
>> James McGill
>> Phoenix AZ
>>

[BJ Freeman]

as long as you use java only coding conventions non of the groovy
conventions.

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> I know you said not to mention groovy but you could always just write your service in groovy using standard java and then drop it into a java file when you're done.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> On 29/06/2010, at 1:46 PM, Muhammad Aamir wrote:
>
>> Actually I am aware of minilang and have used it earlier. The reason I want
>> to minimize the use of it (in addition to its limitation) is that I don't
>> want to release the source code of my application.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:47 PM, James McGill<
>> [hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Muhammad Aamir<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is minilang a complete replacement of Java language?
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is not the intention of Minilang.  It's a matter of opinion as to
>>> whether Minilang is easier to maintain than the eqivalent Java.
>>> Minilang is excellent for much of the work that is commonly done in the
>>> service layer, especially simple create and update operations, getting
>>> lists
>>> using variables that are automatically bound from the context, checking
>>> permissions, etc.  This kind of thing is very common in OFBiz, so there are
>>> numerous examples.
>>>
>>> Since you have<call-bsh>  in minilang, you also have the option of using
>>> java grammar inline.   There are plenty of things that are simple to do in
>>> Java that might be very difficult or impossible to do in Minilang, and in
>>> my
>>> opinion there are Minilang routines in the OFBiz distribution that appear
>>> to
>>> have gone through enough evolution, that they would be better, in the long
>>> run, ported to Java.
>>>
>>> --
>>> James McGill
>>> Phoenix AZ
>>>
>

[Scott Gray-2]

>> write your service in groovy using standard java

Yes, that is exactly what I said.

Regards
Scott

On 29/06/2010, at 3:48 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:

> as long as you use java only coding conventions non of the groovy conventions.
>
> Scott Gray sent the following on 6/28/2010 7:20 PM:
>
>
> =========================
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> http://bjfreeman.elance.com
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>
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>
>> I know you said not to mention groovy but you could always just write your service in groovy using standard java and then drop it into a java file when you're done.
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>> On 29/06/2010, at 1:46 PM, Muhammad Aamir wrote:
>>
>>> Actually I am aware of minilang and have used it earlier. The reason I want
>>> to minimize the use of it (in addition to its limitation) is that I don't
>>> want to release the source code of my application.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:47 PM, James McGill<
>>> [hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Muhammad Aamir<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is minilang a complete replacement of Java language?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is not the intention of Minilang.  It's a matter of opinion as to
>>>> whether Minilang is easier to maintain than the eqivalent Java.
>>>> Minilang is excellent for much of the work that is commonly done in the
>>>> service layer, especially simple create and update operations, getting
>>>> lists
>>>> using variables that are automatically bound from the context, checking
>>>> permissions, etc.  This kind of thing is very common in OFBiz, so there are
>>>> numerous examples.
>>>>
>>>> Since you have<call-bsh>  in minilang, you also have the option of using
>>>> java grammar inline.   There are plenty of things that are simple to do in
>>>> Java that might be very difficult or impossible to do in Minilang, and in
>>>> my
>>>> opinion there are Minilang routines in the OFBiz distribution that appear
>>>> to
>>>> have gone through enough evolution, that they would be better, in the long
>>>> run, ported to Java.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> James McGill
>>>> Phoenix AZ
>>>>
>>

[BJ Freeman]

so you did, it just did not sink in that is what you meant.
:D

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Scott Gray sent the following on 6/28/2010 8:58 PM:

>>> write your service in groovy using standard java
>
> Yes, that is exactly what I said.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 29/06/2010, at 3:48 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> as long as you use java only coding conventions non of the groovy conventions.
>>
>> Scott Gray sent the following on 6/28/2010 7:20 PM:
>>
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> http://bjfreeman.elance.com
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>> Linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro>
>>
>>> I know you said not to mention groovy but you could always just write your service in groovy using standard java and then drop it into a java file when you're done.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> HotWax Media
>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>> On 29/06/2010, at 1:46 PM, Muhammad Aamir wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually I am aware of minilang and have used it earlier. The reason I want
>>>> to minimize the use of it (in addition to its limitation) is that I don't
>>>> want to release the source code of my application.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:47 PM, James McGill<
>>>> [hidden email]>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Muhammad Aamir<[hidden email]>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is minilang a complete replacement of Java language?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not the intention of Minilang.  It's a matter of opinion as to
>>>>> whether Minilang is easier to maintain than the eqivalent Java.
>>>>> Minilang is excellent for much of the work that is commonly done in the
>>>>> service layer, especially simple create and update operations, getting
>>>>> lists
>>>>> using variables that are automatically bound from the context, checking
>>>>> permissions, etc.  This kind of thing is very common in OFBiz, so there are
>>>>> numerous examples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you have<call-bsh>   in minilang, you also have the option of using
>>>>> java grammar inline.   There are plenty of things that are simple to do in
>>>>> Java that might be very difficult or impossible to do in Minilang, and in
>>>>> my
>>>>> opinion there are Minilang routines in the OFBiz distribution that appear
>>>>> to
>>>>> have gone through enough evolution, that they would be better, in the long
>>>>> run, ported to Java.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> James McGill
>>>>> Phoenix AZ
>>>>>
>>>
>

[Muhammad Aamir]

I absolutely agree with you and that was the first option I tried out.
However, quickly gave up because it would give me an exception when I would
call the service (via RMI) that some class (most probably some groovy class)
was not serializable.

Regards

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>wrote:

> I know you said not to mention groovy but you could always just write your
> service in groovy using standard java and then drop it into a java file when
> you're done.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> On 29/06/2010, at 1:46 PM, Muhammad Aamir wrote:
>
> > Actually I am aware of minilang and have used it earlier. The reason I
> want
> > to minimize the use of it (in addition to its limitation) is that I don't
> > want to release the source code of my application.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:47 PM, James McGill <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Muhammad Aamir <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is minilang a complete replacement of Java language?
> >>>
> >>
> >> This is not the intention of Minilang.  It's a matter of opinion as to
> >> whether Minilang is easier to maintain than the eqivalent Java.
> >> Minilang is excellent for much of the work that is commonly done in the
> >> service layer, especially simple create and update operations, getting
> >> lists
> >> using variables that are automatically bound from the context, checking
> >> permissions, etc.  This kind of thing is very common in OFBiz, so there
> are
> >> numerous examples.
> >>
> >> Since you have <call-bsh> in minilang, you also have the option of using
> >> java grammar inline.   There are plenty of things that are simple to do
> in
> >> Java that might be very difficult or impossible to do in Minilang, and
> in
> >> my
> >> opinion there are Minilang routines in the OFBiz distribution that
> appear
> >> to
> >> have gone through enough evolution, that they would be better, in the
> long
> >> run, ported to Java.
> >>
> >> --
> >> James McGill
> >> Phoenix AZ
> >>
>
>