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Doesn't matter to me - I'll just do something about it - which is what I was saying in the first place. The difference between me and the ASF is that I'm actually prepared to accept the domain, with the infra around it already - and that's why I even mentioned transferring it to me. I've got no plans to do anything with ofbiz.org other than help broker it to the ASF - which could be helpful to Mr. Jones.
Cheers, Ruppert On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: > Tim Ruppert wrote: >> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything. Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple. I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready. >> > It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to > transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't > get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever > is convenient for all the involved parties. > > -- > Ean Schuessler, CTO > [hidden email] > 214-720-0700 x 315 > Brainfood, Inc. > http://www.brainfood.com > |
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David, it's not $35 for me - it's only a few bucks - so I'm happy to pay it and help broker this - especially since I'm not sure if it'll get handled by the ASF in time. There is a precedent here from the last migration, so I'd like to avoid that if possible. Let me know how I can help on this one.
Cheers, Ruppert On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Scott Gray wrote: > On 17/04/2010, at 8:49 AM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >> >>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything. Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple. I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready. >>>> >>> It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to >>> transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't >>> get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever >>> is convenient for all the involved parties. >> >> Perhaps, but then I'd be out another $35 and the chances of this being handled in the near future would be reduced. There is still nearly a month before it expires... and I suppose if it can't be done in that time then not only will this be informative but I'll also have to make a decision. I hate making decisions... there's always such a good chance that I'll decide wrong (I'm really good at that). >> >> -David > > Jacopo has got the ball rolling but if it doesn't see enough action on the ASF side in time then I'm sure the community can help out with $35 (or HotWax can pick up the domain temporarily). > > Regards > Scott |
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Jacques From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> > David, it's not $35 for me - it's only a few bucks - so I'm happy to pay it and help broker this - especially since I'm not sure > if it'll get handled by the ASF in time. There is a precedent here from the last migration, so I'd like to avoid that if > possible. Let me know how I can help on this one. > > Cheers, > Ruppert > > On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Scott Gray wrote: > >> On 17/04/2010, at 8:49 AM, David E Jones wrote: >> >>> >>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>> >>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it >>>>> over there to ensure we don't lose anything. Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple. I'm also a registrar so >>>>> to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF >>>>> whenever they are ready. >>>>> >>>> It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to >>>> transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't >>>> get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever >>>> is convenient for all the involved parties. >>> >>> Perhaps, but then I'd be out another $35 and the chances of this being handled in the near future would be reduced. There is >>> still nearly a month before it expires... and I suppose if it can't be done in that time then not only will this be informative >>> but I'll also have to make a decision. I hate making decisions... there's always such a good chance that I'll decide wrong (I'm >>> really good at that). >>> >>> -David >> >> Jacopo has got the ball rolling but if it doesn't see enough action on the ASF side in time then I'm sure the community can help >> out with $35 (or HotWax can pick up the domain temporarily). >> >> Regards >> Scott > > |
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> David, it's not $35 for me - it's only a few bucks - so I'm happy to pay it and help broker this - especially since I'm not sure if it'll get handled by the ASF in time. There is a precedent here from the last migration, so I'd like to avoid that if possible. Let me know how I can help on this one. > Adam and I both have $35 for David, so he can make a $35 dollar profit. Any body one else want to get in on paying David back? -- Ean Schuessler, CTO [hidden email] 214-720-0700 x 315 Brainfood, Inc. http://www.brainfood.com |
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I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
Cheers, Ruppert On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: > Tim Ruppert wrote: >> David, it's not $35 for me - it's only a few bucks - so I'm happy to pay it and help broker this - especially since I'm not sure if it'll get handled by the ASF in time. There is a precedent here from the last migration, so I'd like to avoid that if possible. Let me know how I can help on this one. >> > Adam and I both have $35 for David, so he can make a $35 dollar profit. > Any body one else want to get in on paying David back? > > -- > Ean Schuessler, CTO > [hidden email] > 214-720-0700 x 315 > Brainfood, Inc. > http://www.brainfood.com > |
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> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... > I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks in the larger picture? -- Ean Schuessler, CTO [hidden email] 214-720-0700 x 315 Brainfood, Inc. http://www.brainfood.com |
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The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. Cheers, Ruppert On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: > Tim Ruppert wrote: >> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >> > I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use > a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network > Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is > GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. > I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the > domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd > get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. > > I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks > in the larger picture? > > -- > Ean Schuessler, CTO > [hidden email] > 214-720-0700 x 315 > Brainfood, Inc. > http://www.brainfood.com > |
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Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) -David On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. > > The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. > > Cheers, > Ruppert > > On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: > >> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>> >> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >> >> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >> in the larger picture? >> >> -- >> Ean Schuessler, CTO >> [hidden email] >> 214-720-0700 x 315 >> Brainfood, Inc. >> http://www.brainfood.com >> > |
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I don't think I can afford to participate in this auction :-(
Regards Scott On 17/04/2010, at 5:05 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. > > Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). > > On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) > > -David > > > On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. >> >> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >> >> Cheers, >> Ruppert >> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >> >>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>> >>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>> >>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>> in the larger picture? >>> >>> -- >>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>> [hidden email] >>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>> Brainfood, Inc. >>> http://www.brainfood.com >>> >> > |
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On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
> > Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. > > Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). > Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together. > On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) This is really great! BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. Jacopo > > -David > > > On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. >> >> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >> >> Cheers, >> Ruppert >> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >> >>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>> >>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>> >>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>> in the larger picture? >>> >>> -- >>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>> [hidden email] >>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>> Brainfood, Inc. >>> http://www.brainfood.com >>> >> > |
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Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF:
1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :( - This will be important IMO. - The services that would be migrated would be: -- DNS -- Apache redirects 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup. - This will lead to less headaches. Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain. David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place. Cheers, Ruppert On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: > On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. >> >> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). >> > > Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together. > >> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) > > This is really great! > BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. > > Jacopo > >> >> -David >> >> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >> >>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. >>> >>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ruppert >>> >>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>> >>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>>> >>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>>> >>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>>> in the larger picture? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>>> [hidden email] >>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>>> Brainfood, Inc. >>>> http://www.brainfood.com >>>> >>> >> > |
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As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and that makes communication problems more likely. -David On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF: > > 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. > 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away > - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it > 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :( > - This will be important IMO. > - The services that would be migrated would be: > -- DNS > -- Apache redirects > 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. > - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup. > - This will lead to less headaches. > > Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain. > > David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place. > > Cheers, > Ruppert > > On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: > >> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: >> >>> >>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. >>> >>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). >>> >> >> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together. >> >>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) >> >> This is really great! >> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. >> >> Jacopo >> >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>> >>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. >>>> >>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ruppert >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>>>> >>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>>>> >>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>>>> in the larger picture? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>>>> Brainfood, Inc. >>>>> http://www.brainfood.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
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I think David should keep ofbiz.org as his own. Community is not
communist. Please stop this discussion. 在 2010-04-21三的 11:46 -0600，Tim Ruppert写道： > Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF: > > 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. > 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away > - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it > 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :( > - This will be important IMO. > - The services that would be migrated would be: > -- DNS > -- Apache redirects > 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. > - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup. > - This will lead to less headaches. > > Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain. > > David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place. > > Cheers, > Ruppert > > On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: > > > >> > >> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. > >> > >> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). > >> > > > > Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together. > > > >> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) > > > > This is really great! > > BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. > > > > Jacopo > > > >> > >> -David > >> > >> > >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> > >>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. > >>> > >>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Ruppert > >>> > >>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: > >>> > >>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: > >>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... > >>>>> > >>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use > >>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network > >>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is > >>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. > >>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the > >>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd > >>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. > >>>> > >>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks > >>>> in the larger picture? > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO > >>>> [hidden email] > >>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 > >>>> Brainfood, Inc. > >>>> http://www.brainfood.com > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > |
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Shi, I'm the one who started this discussion. My intention so far has been to try to encourage some action on this issue. So far, that has failed (lots of talk, no action). If I kept ofbiz.org I'm not sure what I'd even do with it, and I'd rather have the ASF take it over. Still, after the responses so far keeping it for my own isn't a bad idea... and becoming more tempting. Most likely though I'll just play the Hotwax game and hold on to it but change the DNS server and park it to encourage action. -David On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Shi Yusen wrote: > I think David should keep ofbiz.org as his own. Community is not > communist. > > Please stop this discussion. > > > 在 2010-04-21三的 11:46 -0600，Tim Ruppert写道： >> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF: >> >> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. >> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away >> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it >> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :( >> - This will be important IMO. >> - The services that would be migrated would be: >> -- DNS >> -- Apache redirects >> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. >> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup. >> - This will lead to less headaches. >> >> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain. >> >> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place. >> >> Cheers, >> Ruppert >> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> >>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. >>>> >>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). >>>> >>> >>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together. >>> >>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) >>> >>> This is really great! >>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. >>> >>> Jacopo >>> >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>> >>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. >>>>> >>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ruppert >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>>>>> >>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>>>>> in the larger picture? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>>>>> Brainfood, Inc. >>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
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+1 for parking it.
your right it would force action. ========================= BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man <http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro> David E Jones sent the following on 4/21/2010 11:02 AM: > Shi, > > I'm the one who started this discussion. My intention so far has been to try to encourage some action on this issue. So far, that has failed (lots of talk, no action). > > If I kept ofbiz.org I'm not sure what I'd even do with it, and I'd rather have the ASF take it over. > > Still, after the responses so far keeping it for my own isn't a bad idea... and becoming more tempting. Most likely though I'll just play the Hotwax game and hold on to it but change the DNS server and park it to encourage action. > > -David > > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Shi Yusen wrote: > >> I think David should keep ofbiz.org as his own. Community is not >> communist. >> >> Please stop this discussion. >> >> >> 在 2010-04-21三的 11:46 -0600，Tim Ruppert写道： >>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF: >>> >>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. >>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away >>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it >>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :( >>> - This will be important IMO. >>> - The services that would be migrated would be: >>> -- DNS >>> -- Apache redirects >>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. >>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup. >>> - This will lead to less headaches. >>> >>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain. >>> >>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ruppert >>> >>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>> >>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). >>>>> >>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together. >>>> >>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) >>>> This is really great! >>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. >>>> >>>> Jacopo >>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. >>>>>> >>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>>>>>> in the larger picture? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc. >>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com >>>>>>> > > |
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Here's the information from a thread between Shane, Upayavira, Jacopo and myself. Jacques and I also voted to make sure that it's setup before we switch, but this should give you ample reason to believe what I wrote before. They are basically saying that we should keep it going before it gets lost because they are not sure if they can dive in.
There was another response saying that Upayavira might be able to help out straight away - so maybe it's not such a big deal. Again, putting the infra in place and testing before we transfer is the best route IMO. --- > No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list: > > Sorry - too many mailing lists. This is an action item for Jacopo and David, who should *extend the existing domain registration* for another year. > > Then after the registration goes through, infra (thanks Upayavira!) needs to take the action (i.e. not trademarks@). > > I entered a JIRA ticket to track this, which is Infra's preferred method for tracking things: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2625 > >> Upayavira, >> >> please see my comments inline: >> >> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Upayavira wrote: >> >>> Jacopo, >>> >>> I responded to this on trademarks@, but didn't CC, so I suspect you >>> didn't see my reply. >> >> yes, I actually missed your reply, sorry for this. >> >>> I said: >>> >>> "I've just done a transfer for subversion, and would happily handle this >>> for you (but over at infrastructure@). >>> >>> My guess though is that 20 days left is not enough - you'd have to wait >>> for probably a month after renewal. >> >> It is fine even if the ofbiz.org domain is not reachable for some time; the important thing is that the ASF get it before it is stolen by someone else. >> >>> From what I've seen, renewing isn't >>> really a problem as you may well retain that period on your domain even >>> when transferred over to the Apache registrar's account." >>> >>> So basically, I doubt the registrar would allow you to transfer at this >>> point anyhow. >>> >>> As I said, I'm happy to help you with the migration. We can co-ordinate >>> a time between us to attempt it, and I can do any necessary >>> co-ordination with infra to make sure everything goes right. >> >> Perfect! Just let me know exactly what information you need from us and we will do all the required steps. >> >>> >>> My main question is what do you want the domain once transferred. >>> Serving the site off ofbiz.org I suspect would be a no-go. Having >>> ofbiz.org redirect to ofbiz.apache.org would be exactly the preferred >>> option. >> >> This is exactly what we would like to have: ofbiz.org should simply redirect to ofbiz.apache.org >> Our main concern is that we want to be sure that ASF takes ownership of the ofbiz.org domain, before it is taken by a third party non part of the community. >> >>> >>> So, let me know how/when you want to proceed. >>> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Jacopo > Cheers, Ruppert On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:52 AM, David E Jones wrote: > > As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and that makes communication problems more likely. > > -David > > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF: >> >> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. >> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away >> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it >> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :( >> - This will be important IMO. >> - The services that would be migrated would be: >> -- DNS >> -- Apache redirects >> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. >> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup. >> - This will lead to less headaches. >> >> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain. >> >> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place. >> >> Cheers, >> Ruppert >> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> >>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. >>>> >>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). >>>> >>> >>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together. >>> >>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) >>> >>> This is really great! >>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. >>> >>> Jacopo >>> >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>> >>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. >>>>> >>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ruppert >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>>>>> >>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>>>>> in the larger picture? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>>>>> Brainfood, Inc. >>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
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Sorry - this was supposed to be part of my message and somehow got lumped in with Shane's latest response. My apologies.
Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list: > |
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Thanks for the update Tim. It sounds like no matter what we're not going to see any quick action on this. -David On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > Here's the information from a thread between Shane, Upayavira, Jacopo and myself. Jacques and I also voted to make sure that it's setup before we switch, but this should give you ample reason to believe what I wrote before. They are basically saying that we should keep it going before it gets lost because they are not sure if they can dive in. > > There was another response saying that Upayavira might be able to help out straight away - so maybe it's not such a big deal. Again, putting the infra in place and testing before we transfer is the best route IMO. > > --- > >> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list: >> >> Sorry - too many mailing lists. This is an action item for Jacopo and David, who should *extend the existing domain registration* for another year. >> >> Then after the registration goes through, infra (thanks Upayavira!) needs to take the action (i.e. not trademarks@). >> >> I entered a JIRA ticket to track this, which is Infra's preferred method for tracking things: >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2625 >> >>> Upayavira, >>> >>> please see my comments inline: >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Upayavira wrote: >>> >>>> Jacopo, >>>> >>>> I responded to this on trademarks@, but didn't CC, so I suspect you >>>> didn't see my reply. >>> >>> yes, I actually missed your reply, sorry for this. >>> >>>> I said: >>>> >>>> "I've just done a transfer for subversion, and would happily handle this >>>> for you (but over at infrastructure@). >>>> >>>> My guess though is that 20 days left is not enough - you'd have to wait >>>> for probably a month after renewal. >>> >>> It is fine even if the ofbiz.org domain is not reachable for some time; the important thing is that the ASF get it before it is stolen by someone else. >>> >>>> From what I've seen, renewing isn't >>>> really a problem as you may well retain that period on your domain even >>>> when transferred over to the Apache registrar's account." >>>> >>>> So basically, I doubt the registrar would allow you to transfer at this >>>> point anyhow. >>>> >>>> As I said, I'm happy to help you with the migration. We can co-ordinate >>>> a time between us to attempt it, and I can do any necessary >>>> co-ordination with infra to make sure everything goes right. >>> >>> Perfect! Just let me know exactly what information you need from us and we will do all the required steps. >>> >>>> >>>> My main question is what do you want the domain once transferred. >>>> Serving the site off ofbiz.org I suspect would be a no-go. Having >>>> ofbiz.org redirect to ofbiz.apache.org would be exactly the preferred >>>> option. >>> >>> This is exactly what we would like to have: ofbiz.org should simply redirect to ofbiz.apache.org >>> Our main concern is that we want to be sure that ASF takes ownership of the ofbiz.org domain, before it is taken by a third party non part of the community. >>> >>>> >>>> So, let me know how/when you want to proceed. >>>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Jacopo >> > > Cheers, > Ruppert > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:52 AM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and that makes communication problems more likely. >> >> -David >> >> >> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >> >>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF: >>> >>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. >>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away >>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it >>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :( >>> - This will be important IMO. >>> - The services that would be migrated would be: >>> -- DNS >>> -- Apache redirects >>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. >>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup. >>> - This will lead to less headaches. >>> >>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain. >>> >>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ruppert >>> >>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>> >>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together. >>>> >>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) >>>> >>>> This is really great! >>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. >>>> >>>> Jacopo >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. >>>>>> >>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>>>>>> in the larger picture? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc. >>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
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It does seem that way for sure - so as I said, the only decision we have left is whether or not you should reup at NetSol or if you want to get out of it - sending it to Jacopo so that he can ensure it migrates smoothly. Whatever works on your end is fine - I'll be happy to support the transition either way and get the information staged at the ASF before we pull the trigger on the transfer.
Cheers, Ruppert On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:53 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > Thanks for the update Tim. > > It sounds like no matter what we're not going to see any quick action on this. > > -David > > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> Here's the information from a thread between Shane, Upayavira, Jacopo and myself. Jacques and I also voted to make sure that it's setup before we switch, but this should give you ample reason to believe what I wrote before. They are basically saying that we should keep it going before it gets lost because they are not sure if they can dive in. >> >> There was another response saying that Upayavira might be able to help out straight away - so maybe it's not such a big deal. Again, putting the infra in place and testing before we transfer is the best route IMO. >> >> --- >> >>> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list: >>> >>> Sorry - too many mailing lists. This is an action item for Jacopo and David, who should *extend the existing domain registration* for another year. >>> >>> Then after the registration goes through, infra (thanks Upayavira!) needs to take the action (i.e. not trademarks@). >>> >>> I entered a JIRA ticket to track this, which is Infra's preferred method for tracking things: >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2625 >>> >>>> Upayavira, >>>> >>>> please see my comments inline: >>>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Upayavira wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jacopo, >>>>> >>>>> I responded to this on trademarks@, but didn't CC, so I suspect you >>>>> didn't see my reply. >>>> >>>> yes, I actually missed your reply, sorry for this. >>>> >>>>> I said: >>>>> >>>>> "I've just done a transfer for subversion, and would happily handle this >>>>> for you (but over at infrastructure@). >>>>> >>>>> My guess though is that 20 days left is not enough - you'd have to wait >>>>> for probably a month after renewal. >>>> >>>> It is fine even if the ofbiz.org domain is not reachable for some time; the important thing is that the ASF get it before it is stolen by someone else. >>>> >>>>> From what I've seen, renewing isn't >>>>> really a problem as you may well retain that period on your domain even >>>>> when transferred over to the Apache registrar's account." >>>>> >>>>> So basically, I doubt the registrar would allow you to transfer at this >>>>> point anyhow. >>>>> >>>>> As I said, I'm happy to help you with the migration. We can co-ordinate >>>>> a time between us to attempt it, and I can do any necessary >>>>> co-ordination with infra to make sure everything goes right. >>>> >>>> Perfect! Just let me know exactly what information you need from us and we will do all the required steps. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> My main question is what do you want the domain once transferred. >>>>> Serving the site off ofbiz.org I suspect would be a no-go. Having >>>>> ofbiz.org redirect to ofbiz.apache.org would be exactly the preferred >>>>> option. >>>> >>>> This is exactly what we would like to have: ofbiz.org should simply redirect to ofbiz.apache.org >>>> Our main concern is that we want to be sure that ASF takes ownership of the ofbiz.org domain, before it is taken by a third party non part of the community. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, let me know how/when you want to proceed. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Jacopo >>> >> >> Cheers, >> Ruppert >> >> On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:52 AM, David E Jones wrote: >> >>> >>> As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and that makes communication problems more likely. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>> >>>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF: >>>> >>>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. >>>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away >>>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it >>>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :( >>>> - This will be important IMO. >>>> - The services that would be migrated would be: >>>> -- DNS >>>> -- Apache redirects >>>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. >>>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup. >>>> - This will lead to less headaches. >>>> >>>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain. >>>> >>>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ruppert >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together. >>>>> >>>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) >>>>> >>>>> This is really great! >>>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. >>>>> >>>>> Jacopo >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>>>>>>> in the larger picture? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc. >>>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
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the other option I just thought about is to transfer ownership to ASF
but keep the technical as you(david). That gets it over to ASF but you still have control. you can transfer the Technical once ASF if ready. look at other domains ASF has to see how they list the ownership. BTW you can export the Zone and just import it into DNS server that is not a big thing. takes all of 1/2 hour. ========================= BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man <http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro> Tim Ruppert sent the following on 4/21/2010 12:16 PM: > It does seem that way for sure - so as I said, the only decision we have left is whether or not you should reup at NetSol or if you want to get out of it - sending it to Jacopo so that he can ensure it migrates smoothly. Whatever works on your end is fine - I'll be happy to support the transition either way and get the information staged at the ASF before we pull the trigger on the transfer. > > Cheers, > Ruppert > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:53 PM, David E Jones wrote: > >> Thanks for the update Tim. >> >> It sounds like no matter what we're not going to see any quick action on this. >> >> -David >> >> >> On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >> >>> Here's the information from a thread between Shane, Upayavira, Jacopo and myself. Jacques and I also voted to make sure that it's setup before we switch, but this should give you ample reason to believe what I wrote before. They are basically saying that we should keep it going before it gets lost because they are not sure if they can dive in. >>> >>> There was another response saying that Upayavira might be able to help out straight away - so maybe it's not such a big deal. Again, putting the infra in place and testing before we transfer is the best route IMO. >>> >>> --- >>> >>>> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list: >>>> >>>> Sorry - too many mailing lists. This is an action item for Jacopo and David, who should *extend the existing domain registration* for another year. >>>> >>>> Then after the registration goes through, infra (thanks Upayavira!) needs to take the action (i.e. not trademarks@). >>>> >>>> I entered a JIRA ticket to track this, which is Infra's preferred method for tracking things: >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2625 >>>> >>>>> Upayavira, >>>>> >>>>> please see my comments inline: >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Upayavira wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jacopo, >>>>>> >>>>>> I responded to this on trademarks@, but didn't CC, so I suspect you >>>>>> didn't see my reply. >>>>> yes, I actually missed your reply, sorry for this. >>>>> >>>>>> I said: >>>>>> >>>>>> "I've just done a transfer for subversion, and would happily handle this >>>>>> for you (but over at infrastructure@). >>>>>> >>>>>> My guess though is that 20 days left is not enough - you'd have to wait >>>>>> for probably a month after renewal. >>>>> It is fine even if the ofbiz.org domain is not reachable for some time; the important thing is that the ASF get it before it is stolen by someone else. >>>>> >>>>>> From what I've seen, renewing isn't >>>>>> really a problem as you may well retain that period on your domain even >>>>>> when transferred over to the Apache registrar's account." >>>>>> >>>>>> So basically, I doubt the registrar would allow you to transfer at this >>>>>> point anyhow. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I said, I'm happy to help you with the migration. We can co-ordinate >>>>>> a time between us to attempt it, and I can do any necessary >>>>>> co-ordination with infra to make sure everything goes right. >>>>> Perfect! Just let me know exactly what information you need from us and we will do all the required steps. >>>>> >>>>>> My main question is what do you want the domain once transferred. >>>>>> Serving the site off ofbiz.org I suspect would be a no-go. Having >>>>>> ofbiz.org redirect to ofbiz.apache.org would be exactly the preferred >>>>>> option. >>>>> This is exactly what we would like to have: ofbiz.org should simply redirect to ofbiz.apache.org >>>>> Our main concern is that we want to be sure that ASF takes ownership of the ofbiz.org domain, before it is taken by a third party non part of the community. >>>>> >>>>>> So, let me know how/when you want to proceed. >>>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Jacopo >>> Cheers, >>> Ruppert >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:52 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>> >>>> As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and that makes communication problems more likely. >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF: >>>>> >>>>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain. >>>>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away >>>>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it >>>>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :( >>>>> - This will be important IMO. >>>>> - The services that would be migrated would be: >>>>> -- DNS >>>>> -- Apache redirects >>>>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF. >>>>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup. >>>>> - This will lead to less headaches. >>>>> >>>>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain. >>>>> >>>>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ruppert >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix). >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;) >>>>>> This is really great! >>>>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>> >>>>>>> -David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it .... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use >>>>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network >>>>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is >>>>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort. >>>>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the >>>>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd >>>>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks >>>>>>>>> in the larger picture? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315 >>>>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc. >>>>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com >>>>>>>>> > > |
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