The ofbiz.org domain

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Jeroen:

I understand your position and respect your beliefs.

I happen to disagree. My "love" is better expressed elsewhere.  I think
it was Groucho Marx who said it best, and I paraphrase: "Please accept
my appologies. I don't want to belong to any club that would accept
people like me as a member".

Kind Regards,
Ruth
----------------------------------------------------
Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
[hidden email]

Jeroen van der Wal wrote:

> Hi Ruth,
>
> To me it's very simple:
>    Ofbiz Community = ofbiz.apache.org = ofbiz.org
> And if you want to express your love that's the place!
>
> -Jeroen
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>> Hi Jeroen:
>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>
>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My mission has
>> always been to provide high quality affordable learning resources to the
>> community at large. My view of the "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz
>> materials, not just project committers. The only way I can possible afford
>> to do that is charge a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me,
>> I'm not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a
>> labor of love.
>>
>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You will
>> help pay for the server and hosting, quality content creation tools,
>> professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I could go on.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>> [hidden email]
>>
>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>    
>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>
>>>      
>
>  

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Ean:
Good reason to try and get ASF to keep it. (No disrespect intended but,
need I mention, underneath all this, is the "commercial" reality that
your comment implies.)
Regards,
Ruth

Ean Schuessler wrote:

> It would cause major damage to our Google search placement to drop all
> the pages in their database on the ofbiz.org domain. We should, at
> least, keep it for another year with permanent redirects on all URLs
> to the Apache equivalent. My $0.02.
>
> David E Jones wrote:
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th
>> of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using
>> it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that
>> aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't
>> needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org
>> domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and
>> maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other
>> projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>  

[Ryan Foster]

Ruth,

I disagree with you on point number 2.  Ofbiz.org is not just a domain name.  The name OFBiz is a product, and a brand-able, trademark-able product at that.  So, while the domain may not have as much brand value as apple.com, microsoft.com, or, from an open source perspective, wordpress.com; the same principle applies.  So even though WordPress is widely distributed and thousands of people make boatloads of money selling themes, customizations, implementation, etc. I think you would have a very tough trying to get anyone to sell you the wordpress.org or the wordpress.com domain.

The license for OFBiz resides with Apache, so the domain should reside with them as well.  The brand name, OFBiz, is intellectual property and any derivatives of that name including ofbiz.org, ofbiz.net, ofbiz.com, etc are part of the intellectual property.

As far as your commercial success goes, I think you should make money.  Lots and lots of money.  If you spend time and effort writing good books that provide valuable information, what's wrong with making a profit on them?  Most, if not all of the information contained in the 50-60 books I own on design and development could have been found combing through resources on the internet, but I bought them because the were well written, information books.  I know every book that Zeldman wrote on CSS, but I don't think he ever tried to register css.org -- he can't, because it's owned by The Colorado Springs School luck bastards ;-)

Ryan Foster
HotWax Media
801.671.0769
[hidden email]




On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi Jacques:
>
> Wow, I'm flattered that you would compare myOFBiz.com to Java! Or at least juxtapose it with the "big boys" :-)
>
> Just to clear the air:
>
> 1) myOFBiz.com is not an organization, company or any other commercially viable entity. It is a domain name and a server running an instance of OFBiz.
>
> 2) Like myOFBiz.com, ofbiz.org is only a domain name. Both have no intellectual property or other proprietary resources that could be sold. The only thing that can be sold, in either case, is the domain name. Which, I have to admit for ofbiz.org has brand recognition - at least today. That is why I'm interested in it. .
>
> 3) I fully understand your position. IMO  the ofbiz.org domain is not a sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less meaning. If project committers and other OFBiz devotees wish to worship at the ofbiz.org shrine, then who am I to ask "why?". It is you belief that ofbiz.org has value. I'm very progressive in at least this regard: I believe, "to each his/her own".
>
> On a related note, do you feel that there is something wrong with commercial success? What I mean is, why can't OFBiz enjoy some "commercial" success? Or maybe I should ask, what do you mean by "commercial"?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Ruth
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hi Ruth,
>>
>> I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
>> remain a community name.
>>
>> It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's hard
>> to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what happened
>> recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html), MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
>> history is cluttered of such cases.
>>
>> Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if Si has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at which
>> point though) see "How to make money from open source" at http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
>>
>> My 2 cts
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>
>>> Hi Jeroen:
>>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>>
>>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
>>> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
>>> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
>>> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a labor of love.
>>>
>>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
>>> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I could go on.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>>> [hidden email]
>>>
>>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

[Adam Heath-2]

David E Jones wrote:
> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>
> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>
> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>
> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?

I'd say keep it, it's easier to remember in my honest opinion.

[Jacques Le Roux]

Ruth,

From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>

> Hi Jacques:
>
> Wow, I'm flattered that you would compare myOFBiz.com to Java! Or at
> least juxtapose it with the "big boys" :-)
>
> Just to clear the air:
>
> 1) myOFBiz.com is not an organization, company or any other commercially
> viable entity. It is a domain name and a server running an instance of
> OFBiz.
>
> 2) Like myOFBiz.com, ofbiz.org is only a domain name. Both have no
> intellectual property or other proprietary resources that could be sold.
> The only thing that can be sold, in either case, is the domain name.
> Which, I have to admit for ofbiz.org has brand recognition - at least
> today. That is why I'm interested in it. .
>
> 3) I fully understand your position. IMO  the ofbiz.org domain is not a
> sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less meaning.

Less meaning? Why?

> If project committers and other OFBiz devotees wish to worship at the
> ofbiz.org shrine, then who am I to ask "why?". It is you belief that
> ofbiz.org has value. I'm very progressive in at least this regard: I
> believe, "to each his/her own".

"to each his/her own": a new idiom for me

> On a related note, do you feel that there is something wrong with
> commercial success? What I mean is, why can't OFBiz enjoy some
> "commercial" success? Or maybe I should ask, what do you mean by
> "commercial"?

To paraphrase a famous predecessor
<<I challenge you to quote where I said that.>> :D

Jacques
PS: BTW I wish you all the best with myOfbiz.com. Because I know it will be good for OFBiz and the community at large...
 

> Kind Regards,
> Ruth
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hi Ruth,
>>
>> I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a
>> proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
>> remain a community name.
>>
>> It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in
>> OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's hard
>> to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even
>> harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what happened
>> recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe
>> recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html),
>> MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
>> history is cluttered of such cases.
>>
>> Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if Si
>> has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at which
>> point though) see "How to make money from open source" at
>> http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
>>
>> My 2 cts
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>
>>> Hi Jeroen:
>>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>>
>>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My
>>> mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
>>> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the
>>> "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
>>> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge a
>>> nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
>>> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a
>>> labor of love.
>>>
>>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You
>>> will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
>>> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing
>>> materials...and I could go on.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>>> [hidden email]
>>>
>>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Ruth,
>
> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>
>> Hi Jacques:
>>
>> Wow, I'm flattered that you would compare myOFBiz.com to Java! Or at
>> least juxtapose it with the "big boys" :-)
>>
>> Just to clear the air:
>>
>> 1) myOFBiz.com is not an organization, company or any other
>> commercially viable entity. It is a domain name and a server running
>> an instance of OFBiz.
>>
>> 2) Like myOFBiz.com, ofbiz.org is only a domain name. Both have no
>> intellectual property or other proprietary resources that could be
>> sold. The only thing that can be sold, in either case, is the domain
>> name. Which, I have to admit for ofbiz.org has brand recognition - at
>> least today. That is why I'm interested in it. .
>>
>> 3) I fully understand your position. IMO  the ofbiz.org domain is not
>> a sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less
>> meaning.
>
> Less meaning? Why?

Because it has been superseded by the Apache brand. IMO, if the Apache
brand catches on, then the ofbiz.org brand will fade. And we all want
the Apache brand to succeed. That ofbiz.org does not (and should not)
compete with Apache is a good thing. Better to just put it to rest and
be done with it. I'm not against ASF having it, I just wanted to
continue to market and push it as a complement to the ASF brand.
>> If project committers and other OFBiz devotees wish to worship at the
>> ofbiz.org shrine, then who am I to ask "why?". It is you belief that
>> ofbiz.org has value. I'm very progressive in at least this regard: I
>> believe, "to each his/her own".
>
> "to each his/her own": a new idiom for me
How about, "live and let live".
>
>> On a related note, do you feel that there is something wrong with
>> commercial success? What I mean is, why can't OFBiz enjoy some
>> "commercial" success? Or maybe I should ask, what do you mean by
>> "commercial"?
>
> To paraphrase a famous predecessor <<I challenge you to quote where I
> said that.>> :D
Ok, fair. Sorry. I didn't mean any disrespect.
>
> Jacques
> PS: BTW I wish you all the best with myOfbiz.com. Because I know it
> will be good for OFBiz and the community at large...
Thanks. I am certainly trying to make it so!
Regards,
Ruth

>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> Hi Ruth,
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a
>>> proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
>>> remain a community name.
>>>
>>> It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in
>>> OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's hard
>>> to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even
>>> harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what happened
>>> recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe
>>> recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
>>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html),
>>> MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
>>> history is cluttered of such cases.
>>>
>>> Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if
>>> Si has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at which
>>> point though) see "How to make money from open source" at
>>> http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
>>>
>>> My 2 cts
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Hi Jeroen:
>>>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>>>
>>>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My
>>>> mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
>>>> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the
>>>> "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
>>>> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge
>>>> a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
>>>> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a
>>>> labor of love.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books.
>>>> You will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
>>>> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing
>>>> materials...and I could go on.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword
>>>> "myofbiz"
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>
>>>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Adrian Crum]

Ruth Hoffman wrote:

>>> 3) I fully understand your position. IMO  the ofbiz.org domain is not
>>> a sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less
>>> meaning.
>>
>> Less meaning? Why?
> Because it has been superseded by the Apache brand. IMO, if the Apache
> brand catches on, then the ofbiz.org brand will fade. And we all want
> the Apache brand to succeed. That ofbiz.org does not (and should not)
> compete with Apache is a good thing. Better to just put it to rest and
> be done with it. I'm not against ASF having it, I just wanted to
> continue to market and push it as a complement to the ASF brand.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

One thing I would like to mention (for the benefit of any newcomers) is
that OFBiz joined the ASF for these reasons:

http://www.apache.org/foundation/faq.html#why

As a relatively small community it was a smart move to place ourselves
under the ASF umbrella because it relieved us of the legal and financial
burdens mentioned in the FAQ. I don't believe anyone in the community
saw that change as a way to relinquish the OFBiz brand and replace it
with Apache. On that point you are completely wrong.

-Adrian

[Scott Gray-2]

Thanks Ruth.  Nothing against your site but this is exactly the reason why I think the community should retain ofbiz.org even if the ASF won't take it up.

Regards
Scott

On 15/04/2010, at 11:53 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi Scott:
> I'd eventually replace the  myofbiz.com domain with ofbiz.org. Myofbiz.com Its still all about OFBiz documentation and eventually training materials, so clearly there is a link. FYI, I've been told that "myofbiz" is sometimes misinterpreted (by some people) as, well, something I never thought of...
> Regards,
> Ruth
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
> [hidden email]
>
> Scott Gray wrote:
>> Hi Ruth,
>>
>> Out of interest, what would you do with it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>>
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>> On 15/04/2010, at 11:31 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Hi David:
>>> If you don't want to keep it up and ASF doesn't want it, I'll take it.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>>> [hidden email]
>>>
>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>    
>>>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>>>
>>>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>>>
>>>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>>>
>>>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      
>>
>>  

[Ryan Foster]

Ruth,

I disagree with you on point number 2.  Ofbiz.org is not just a domain name.  The name OFBiz is a product, and a brand-able, trademark-able product at that.  So, while the domain may not have as much brand value as apple.com, microsoft.com, or, from an open source perspective, wordpress.com; the same principle applies.  So even though WordPress is widely distributed and thousands of people make boatloads of money selling themes, customizations, implementation, etc. I think you would have a very tough trying to get anyone to sell you the wordpress.org or the wordpress.com domain.

The license for OFBiz resides with Apache, so the domain should reside with them as well.  The brand name, OFBiz, is intellectual property and any derivatives of that name including ofbiz.org, ofbiz.net, ofbiz.com, etc are part of the intellectual property.

As far as your commercial success goes, I think you should make money.  Lots and lots of money.  If you spend time and effort writing good books that provide valuable information, what's wrong with making a profit on them?  Most, if not all of the information contained in the 50-60 books I own on design and development could have been found combing through resources on the internet, but I bought them because the were well written, information books.  I own every book that Zeldman wrote on CSS, but I don't think he ever tried to register css.org -- he can't, because it's owned by The Colorado Springs School luck bastards ;-)

Ryan Foster
HotWax Media
801.671.0769
[hidden email]




On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

>
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Ruth,
>>
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>
>>> Hi Jacques:
>>>
>>> Wow, I'm flattered that you would compare myOFBiz.com to Java! Or at least juxtapose it with the "big boys" :-)
>>>
>>> Just to clear the air:
>>>
>>> 1) myOFBiz.com is not an organization, company or any other commercially viable entity. It is a domain name and a server running an instance of OFBiz.
>>>
>>> 2) Like myOFBiz.com, ofbiz.org is only a domain name. Both have no intellectual property or other proprietary resources that could be sold. The only thing that can be sold, in either case, is the domain name. Which, I have to admit for ofbiz.org has brand recognition - at least today. That is why I'm interested in it. .
>>>
>>> 3) I fully understand your position. IMO  the ofbiz.org domain is not a sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less meaning.
>>
>> Less meaning? Why?
> Because it has been superseded by the Apache brand. IMO, if the Apache brand catches on, then the ofbiz.org brand will fade. And we all want the Apache brand to succeed. That ofbiz.org does not (and should not) compete with Apache is a good thing. Better to just put it to rest and be done with it. I'm not against ASF having it, I just wanted to continue to market and push it as a complement to the ASF brand.
>>> If project committers and other OFBiz devotees wish to worship at the ofbiz.org shrine, then who am I to ask "why?". It is you belief that ofbiz.org has value. I'm very progressive in at least this regard: I believe, "to each his/her own".
>>
>> "to each his/her own": a new idiom for me
> How about, "live and let live".
>>
>>> On a related note, do you feel that there is something wrong with commercial success? What I mean is, why can't OFBiz enjoy some "commercial" success? Or maybe I should ask, what do you mean by "commercial"?
>>
>> To paraphrase a famous predecessor <<I challenge you to quote where I said that.>> :D
> Ok, fair. Sorry. I didn't mean any disrespect.
>>
>> Jacques
>> PS: BTW I wish you all the best with myOfbiz.com. Because I know it will be good for OFBiz and the community at large...
> Thanks. I am certainly trying to make it so!
> Regards,
> Ruth
>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> Hi Ruth,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
>>>> remain a community name.
>>>>
>>>> It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's hard
>>>> to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what happened
>>>> recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
>>>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html), MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
>>>> history is cluttered of such cases.
>>>>
>>>> Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if Si has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at which
>>>> point though) see "How to make money from open source" at http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cts
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Hi Jeroen:
>>>>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
>>>>> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
>>>>> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
>>>>> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a labor of love.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
>>>>> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I could go on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>>>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>>>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>>>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>

[David E. Jones-2]

There seems to be quite a bit of interest in keeping it. Which of those who feels it is important to keep the domain will work with ASF infra to get it transferred?

AFAIK there are two parts to this:

1. transfer the domain name to whatever registrar the ASF prefers
2. set up DNS entries for whatever DNs are desired

For part #1, just let me know when to turn off the domain lock and I'll do it so that the registrar can be changed (it's with register.com right now). For #2 I'm not sure what the full list of DNS settings looks like as that has been handled by contegix for a while, so I guess whoever takes this on will need to research that and then send the details to the ASF to get it setup.

-David


On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:50 PM, David E Jones wrote:

>
> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>
> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>
> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>
> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>
> -David
>
>

[Scott Gray-2]

I'll do it if no ones steps up in the next day or two, although I'd prefer not to have to.

Regards
Scott

HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

On 16/04/2010, at 10:11 AM, David E Jones wrote:

>
> There seems to be quite a bit of interest in keeping it. Which of those who feels it is important to keep the domain will work with ASF infra to get it transferred?
>
> AFAIK there are two parts to this:
>
> 1. transfer the domain name to whatever registrar the ASF prefers
> 2. set up DNS entries for whatever DNs are desired
>
> For part #1, just let me know when to turn off the domain lock and I'll do it so that the registrar can be changed (it's with register.com right now). For #2 I'm not sure what the full list of DNS settings looks like as that has been handled by contegix for a while, so I guess whoever takes this on will need to research that and then send the details to the ASF to get it setup.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:50 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>

[Ean Schuessler]

I'm sure ASF-infra is up to their eyeballs in doo-doo right now thanks to the JIRA break-in. I know I've got $10 for you if you could pay to renew it and give ASF-infra some time to finish laundering their undershorts.

----- "David E Jones" wrote:
> There seems to be quite a bit of interest in keeping it. Which of those who feels it is important to keep the domain will work with ASF infra to get it transferred?
> AFAIK there are two parts to this:
> 1. transfer the domain name to whatever registrar the ASF prefers
> 2. set up DNS entries for whatever DNs are desired
> For part #1, just let me know when to turn off the domain lock and I'll do it so that the registrar can be changed (it's with register.com right now). For #2 I'm not sure what the full list of DNS settings looks like as that has been handled by contegix for a while, so I guess whoever takes this on will need to research that and then send the details to the ASF to get it setup.

--


Ean Schuessler

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

I will contact ASF Infra today and let you know as soon as I have more information.
Thank you,

Jacopo

On Apr 16, 2010, at 12:11 AM, David E Jones wrote:

>
> There seems to be quite a bit of interest in keeping it. Which of those who feels it is important to keep the domain will work with ASF infra to get it transferred?
>
> AFAIK there are two parts to this:
>
> 1. transfer the domain name to whatever registrar the ASF prefers
> 2. set up DNS entries for whatever DNs are desired
>
> For part #1, just let me know when to turn off the domain lock and I'll do it so that the registrar can be changed (it's with register.com right now). For #2 I'm not sure what the full list of DNS settings looks like as that has been handled by contegix for a while, so I guess whoever takes this on will need to research that and then send the details to the ASF to get it setup.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:50 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>

[Scott Gray-2]

Since it's been brought up, isn't this something we should look to change at some point?  Maybe post 10.04 branch?

Regards
Scott

HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

On 15/04/2010, at 6:21 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> Yes,
>
> and our Java packages are still using it: org.ofbiz
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>
>> I like the ofbiz.org domain! Let's try to keep it.
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/14/10, David E Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> From: David E Jones <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: The ofbiz.org domain
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 8:50 PM
>>>
>>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on
>>> May 13th of this year.
>>>
>>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and
>>> keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.*
>>> domain names that aren't anything official related to the
>>> project)?
>>>
>>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it
>>> really isn't needed any more now that everything is under
>>> the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could
>>> be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation
>>> if there is interest (I think some other projects have done
>>> this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>>
>>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

Yes, this was one of the (optional) steps that we considered during Incubation, but at that time there were a lot of things to do and we gave up.

Jacopo

On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Scott Gray wrote:

> Since it's been brought up, isn't this something we should look to change at some point?  Maybe post 10.04 branch?
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> On 15/04/2010, at 6:21 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>> Yes,
>>
>> and our Java packages are still using it: org.ofbiz
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>>
>>> I like the ofbiz.org domain! Let's try to keep it.
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 4/14/10, David E Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: David E Jones <[hidden email]>
>>>> Subject: The ofbiz.org domain
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 8:50 PM
>>>>
>>>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on
>>>> May 13th of this year.
>>>>
>>>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and
>>>> keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.*
>>>> domain names that aren't anything official related to the
>>>> project)?
>>>>
>>>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it
>>>> really isn't needed any more now that everything is under
>>>> the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could
>>>> be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation
>>>> if there is interest (I think some other projects have done
>>>> this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>>>
>>>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Adam Heath-2]

Ean Schuessler wrote:
> I'm sure ASF-infra is up to their eyeballs in doo-doo right now thanks to the JIRA break-in. I know I've got $10 for you if you could pay to renew it and give ASF-infra some time to finish laundering their undershorts.

Underpants gnome?

[Tim Ruppert]

I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything.  Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple.  I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready.

Cheers,
Ruppert

On Apr 15, 2010, at 4:11 PM, David E Jones wrote:

>
> There seems to be quite a bit of interest in keeping it. Which of those who feels it is important to keep the domain will work with ASF infra to get it transferred?
>
> AFAIK there are two parts to this:
>
> 1. transfer the domain name to whatever registrar the ASF prefers
> 2. set up DNS entries for whatever DNs are desired
>
> For part #1, just let me know when to turn off the domain lock and I'll do it so that the registrar can be changed (it's with register.com right now). For #2 I'm not sure what the full list of DNS settings looks like as that has been handled by contegix for a while, so I guess whoever takes this on will need to research that and then send the details to the ASF to get it setup.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:50 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>

[Ean Schuessler]

Tim Ruppert wrote:
> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything.  Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple.  I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready.
>  
It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to
transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't
get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever
is convenient for all the involved parties.

--
Ean Schuessler, CTO
[hidden email]
214-720-0700 x 315
Brainfood, Inc.
http://www.brainfood.com

[David E. Jones-2]

On Apr 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:

> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything.  Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple.  I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready.
>>
> It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to
> transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't
> get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever
> is convenient for all the involved parties.

Perhaps, but then I'd be out another $35 and the chances of this being handled in the near future would be reduced. There is still nearly a month before it expires... and I suppose if it can't be done in that time then not only will this be informative but I'll also have to make a decision. I hate making decisions... there's always such a good chance that I'll decide wrong (I'm really good at that).

-David

[Scott Gray-2]

On 17/04/2010, at 8:49 AM, David E Jones wrote:

>
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>
>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything.  Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple.  I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready.
>>>
>> It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to
>> transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't
>> get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever
>> is convenient for all the involved parties.
>
> Perhaps, but then I'd be out another $35 and the chances of this being handled in the near future would be reduced. There is still nearly a month before it expires... and I suppose if it can't be done in that time then not only will this be informative but I'll also have to make a decision. I hate making decisions... there's always such a good chance that I'll decide wrong (I'm really good at that).
>
> -David

Jacopo has got the ball rolling but if it doesn't see enough action on the ASF side in time then I'm sure the community can help out with $35 (or HotWax can pick up the domain temporarily).

Regards
Scott