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What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. Thanks for all your help. Regards, Ruth BJ Freeman wrote: > You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the > release zip. > the release zip never had jar files. > what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible > and I gave you a link to. > what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent > 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site. > then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. > > > ========================= > BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> > Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation > <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> > Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> > Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist > > Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man > > > Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >> Hi BJ: >> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide >> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >> changes. Nothing new in that. >> >> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for >> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems >> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here! >> >> Regards, >> Ruth >> >> BJ Freeman wrote: >>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>> how do you propose they do that? >>> >>> ========================= >>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>> >>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>> >>> >>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>> Hi BJ: >>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>> Regards, >>>> Ruth >>>> >>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>> >>>>> ========================= >>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>> >>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the >>>>>> official >>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page >>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz >>>>>> that is: >>>>>> >>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the >>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to >>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. >>>>>> IMHO, no >>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they >>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>> perspective: >>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>> >>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> >>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a >>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not >>>>>>> just as >>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>>>> Mind you >>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the >>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully >>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of >>>>>>>> Tomcat or >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how >>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or >>>>>>>> whatever the >>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong >>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is >>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and >>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, >>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced >>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to >>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But >>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in >>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, >>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the >>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement >>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have >>>>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I >>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug >>>>>>>>>> fixes. And >>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe >>>>>>>>>> once a >>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the >>>>>>>>>> binary >>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional >>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an >>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. >>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required >>>>>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and >>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly >>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a >>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need >>>>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would >>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database >>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for >>>>>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
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Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it is,
and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text... Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with... Jacques From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> > Hi BJ > What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. > Thanks for all your help. > Regards, > Ruth > > BJ Freeman wrote: >> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip. >> the release zip never had jar files. >> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to. >> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site. >> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >> >> >> ========================= >> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >> >> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >> >> >> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>> Hi BJ: >>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide >>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>> >>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for >>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems >>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here! >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ruth >>> >>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>> >>>> ========================= >>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>> >>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>> >>>> >>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ruth >>>>> >>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>>> >>>>>> ========================= >>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>> >>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official >>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz >>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the >>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to >>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no >>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they >>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a >>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as >>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz >>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully >>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how >>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the >>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong >>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is >>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and >>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a >>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced >>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to >>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But >>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in >>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, >>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the >>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement >>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple >>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I >>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary >>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of >>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an >>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. >>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. >>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly >>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a >>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be >>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much >>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database >>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
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Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
Regards, Ruth Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html > to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it is, and should > be used for? > If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text... > > Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see > with what he will come with... > > Jacques > > From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >> Hi BJ >> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >> Thanks for all your help. >> Regards, >> Ruth >> >> BJ Freeman wrote: >>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the >>> release zip. >>> the release zip never had jar files. >>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still >>> availible and I gave you a link to. >>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent >>> 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site. >>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>> >>> >>> ========================= >>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>> >>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>> >>> >>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>> Hi BJ: >>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, >>>> decide >>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>> >>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for >>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems >>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Ruth >>>> >>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>> >>>>> ========================= >>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>> >>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> >>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the >>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page >>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz >>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the >>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would >>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. >>>>>>>> IMHO, no >>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they >>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a >>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not >>>>>>>>> just as >>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>>>>>> Mind you >>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the >>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully >>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of >>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration >>>>>>>>>> of how >>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or >>>>>>>>>> whatever the >>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong >>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is >>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and >>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, >>>>>>>>>> well, for a >>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for >>>>>>>>>> inexperienced >>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to >>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But >>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the >>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement >>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have >>>>>>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug >>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe >>>>>>>>>>>> once a >>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the >>>>>>>>>>>> binary >>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an >>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort >>>>>>>>>>>>> required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is >>>>>>>>>>>>> really a >>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> would much >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database >>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for >>>>>>>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
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It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page. Regards Scott On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Sure. I'd be happy to do that. > Regards, > Ruth > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it is, and should be used for? >> If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text... >> >> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with... >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >>> Hi BJ >>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>> Thanks for all your help. >>> Regards, >>> Ruth >>> >>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip. >>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to. >>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site. >>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>> >>>> >>>> ========================= >>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>> >>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>> >>>> >>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide >>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>> >>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for >>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems >>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here! >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ruth >>>>> >>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>> >>>>>> ========================= >>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>> >>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official >>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz >>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the >>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to >>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they >>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as >>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully >>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the >>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong >>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is >>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and >>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a >>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to >>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But >>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement >>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of >>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an >>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database >>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> |
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Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
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Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And
they lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...) Jacques Scott Gray wrote: > It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download: >> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page. > > Regards > Scott > > On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > >> Sure. I'd be happy to do that. >> Regards, >> Ruth >> >> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it >>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text... >>> >>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with... >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >>>> Hi BJ >>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>>> Thanks for all your help. >>>> Regards, >>>> Ruth >>>> >>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip. >>>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to. >>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site. >>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========================= >>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>> >>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide >>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>>> >>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for >>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems >>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here! >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> >>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official >>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the >>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to >>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they >>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as >>>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully >>>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the >>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong >>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is >>>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and >>>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a >>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to >>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But >>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) |
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
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Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I have changed and added some minor things It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache system Jacques From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> > Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for > "And they lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and > had many children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...) > > Jacques > > Scott Gray wrote: >> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download: >>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> >>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that. >>> Regards, >>> Ruth >>> >>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it >>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text... >>>> >>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with... >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >>>>> Hi BJ >>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>>>> Thanks for all your help. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ruth >>>>> >>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip. >>>>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to. >>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site. >>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ========================= >>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>> >>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide >>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for >>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems >>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official >>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the >>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to >>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they >>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as >>>>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully >>>>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the >>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is >>>>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and >>>>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a >>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to >>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But >>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) > > |
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Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas?
I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for now, so maybe it's not a real problem? Jacques From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> > Done, > > Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I have changed and added some minor things > It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache system > > Jacques > > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for >> "And they lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily >> and had many children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...) >> >> Jacques >> >> Scott Gray wrote: >>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download: >>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>> >>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that. >>>> Regards, >>>> Ruth >>>> >>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it >>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text... >>>>> >>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with... >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >>>>>> Hi BJ >>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>>>>> Thanks for all your help. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> >>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip. >>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to. >>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your >>>>>>> site. >>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide >>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for >>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems >>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official >>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the >>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to >>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they >>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as >>>>>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully >>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >> >> > > |
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
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no Idea on chrome problem
from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold, make larger font or something to bring focus to ./ant run-install on the right side. Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM: > Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK > in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas? > I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for > now, so maybe it's not a real problem? > > Jacques > > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >> Done, >> >> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I >> have changed and added some minor things >> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache >> system >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be >>> happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they >>> lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent >>> beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many >>> children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...) >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> Scott Gray wrote: >>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download: >>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ruth >>>>> >>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from >>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a >>>>>> clear explanation of what it >>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could >>>>>> provide the text... >>>>>> >>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's >>>>>> see with what he will come with... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> Hi BJ >>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>>>>>> Thanks for all your help. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with >>>>>>>> the release zip. >>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still >>>>>>>> availible and I gave you a link to. >>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the >>>>>>>> equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your >>>>>>>> site. >>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the >>>>>>>>> download, decide >>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz >>>>>>>>> easier for >>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible >>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new >>>>>>>>> here! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use >>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the official >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page >>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version >>>>>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would >>>>>>>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot >>>>>>>>>>>>> site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>> >>> >> >> > > > |
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
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Yes, I will try to take care of that...
BTW anyone willing to help can get it from http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/site and make a patch in a Jira... Thanks Jacques From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> > no Idea on chrome problem > from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold, make larger font or something to bring focus to > ./ant run-install > on the right side. > > Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM: >> Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK >> in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas? >> I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for >> now, so maybe it's not a real problem? >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>> Done, >>> >>> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I >>> have changed and added some minor things >>> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache >>> system >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be >>>> happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they >>>> lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent >>>> beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many >>>> children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...) >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> Scott Gray wrote: >>>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download: >>>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from >>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a >>>>>>> clear explanation of what it >>>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could >>>>>>> provide the text... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's >>>>>>> see with what he will come with... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> Hi BJ >>>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with >>>>>>>>> the release zip. >>>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still >>>>>>>>> availible and I gave you a link to. >>>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the >>>>>>>>> equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your >>>>>>>>> site. >>>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the >>>>>>>>>> download, decide >>>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>> easier for >>>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible >>>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new >>>>>>>>>> here! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use >>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > |
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
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I will submit a patch, since you as busy as i am. :D Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/16/2010 2:38 PM: > Yes, I will try to take care of that... > > BTW anyone willing to help can get it from > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/site and make a patch in a Jira... > > Thanks > > Jacques > > From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >> no Idea on chrome problem >> from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold, >> make larger font or something to bring focus to >> ./ant run-install >> on the right side. >> >> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM: >>> Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK >>> in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas? >>> I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for >>> now, so maybe it's not a real problem? >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>> Done, >>>> >>>> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I >>>> have changed and added some minor things >>>> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache >>>> system >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be >>>>> happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they >>>>> lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent >>>>> beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many >>>>> children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...) >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> Scott Gray wrote: >>>>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download: >>>>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from >>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a >>>>>>>> clear explanation of what it >>>>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could >>>>>>>> provide the text... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's >>>>>>>> see with what he will come with... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> Hi BJ >>>>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help. >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with >>>>>>>>>> the release zip. >>>>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still >>>>>>>>>> availible and I gave you a link to. >>>>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the >>>>>>>>>> equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your >>>>>>>>>> site. >>>>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the >>>>>>>>>>> download, decide >>>>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> easier for >>>>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible >>>>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new >>>>>>>>>>> here! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
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I fixed the Chrome/WebKit issue. I left wrong ending tags
Jacques From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> > Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas? > I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for now, so maybe it's not a real problem? > > Jacques > > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >> Done, >> >> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I have changed and added some minor things >> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache system >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for >>> "And they lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily >>> and had many children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...) >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> Scott Gray wrote: >>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download: >>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ruth >>>>> >>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it >>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text... >>>>>> >>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> Hi BJ >>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>>>>>> Thanks for all your help. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip. >>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to. >>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your >>>>>>>> site. >>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide >>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for >>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems >>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the >>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to >>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they >>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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Jacques From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> > no Idea on chrome problem > from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold, make larger font or something to bring focus to > ./ant run-install > on the right side. > > Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM: >> Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK >> in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas? >> I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for >> now, so maybe it's not a real problem? >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>> Done, >>> >>> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I >>> have changed and added some minor things >>> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache >>> system >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be >>>> happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they >>>> lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent >>>> beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many >>>> children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...) >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> Scott Gray wrote: >>>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download: >>>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from >>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a >>>>>>> clear explanation of what it >>>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could >>>>>>> provide the text... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's >>>>>>> see with what he will come with... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> Hi BJ >>>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with >>>>>>>>> the release zip. >>>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still >>>>>>>>> availible and I gave you a link to. >>>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the >>>>>>>>> equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your >>>>>>>>> site. >>>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the >>>>>>>>>> download, decide >>>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>> easier for >>>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible >>>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was >>>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new >>>>>>>>>> here! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use >>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > |
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just a note. ./ works on windows was well Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/19/2010 5:30 AM: ========================= BJ Freeman Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man > Done > > Jacques > > From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >> no Idea on chrome problem >> from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold, >> make larger font or something to bring focus to >> ./ant run-install >> on the right side. >> >> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM: >>> Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK >>> in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas? >>> I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for >>> now, so maybe it's not a real problem? >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>> Done, >>>> >>>> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I >>>> have changed and added some minor things >>>> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache >>>> system >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be >>>>> happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they >>>>> lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent >>>>> beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many >>>>> children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...) >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> Scott Gray wrote: >>>>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download: >>>>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from >>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a >>>>>>>> clear explanation of what it >>>>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could >>>>>>>> provide the text... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's >>>>>>>> see with what he will come with... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> Hi BJ >>>>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on. >>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help. >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with >>>>>>>>>> the release zip. >>>>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files. >>>>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still >>>>>>>>>> availible and I gave you a link to. >>>>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the >>>>>>>>>> equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your >>>>>>>>>> site. >>>>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the >>>>>>>>>>> download, decide >>>>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those >>>>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> easier for >>>>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible >>>>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new >>>>>>>>>>> here! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be. >>>>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production. >>>>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. IMHO, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? Mind you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration of how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe once a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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