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I updated the https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+-+How+to page, notably for new releases but not only, please review. I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out dated and seems nobody care about creating and updating themes :/ Jacques |
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On 16/10/2014 9:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Hi, > > I updated the > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+-+How+to > page, notably for new releases but not only, please review. > > I wonder if we should keep > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which > is completly out dated and seems nobody care about creating and > updating themes :/ > > Jacques > reference. 1) There is a link to a script in a JIRA. Is this script something than belongs as part of an administration task 2) In the comments, there is a request for a proper theme administration tool Are these comments still valid? The comments on the page date back to 2009 (5 years). Having comments from 2 or 3 revisions back are confusing since one can not tell if they apply to the current version or not. Can someone remove the ones that have been addressed and create JIRA issues to get the unresolved issues onto the task list and link the page to the outstanding JIRA items where it makes sense. Ron -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: [hidden email] skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 |
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When the Visual Theme feature was first introduced, it was suggested
that OFBiz should have an application where you can create a new visual theme easily. The application would provide a means to upload CSS & JS files, templates, etc. No one has contributed that application, so the comment is still valid. Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 10/16/2014 3:57 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote: > On 16/10/2014 9:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I updated the >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+-+How+to >> page, notably for new releases but not only, please review. >> >> I wonder if we should keep >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which >> is completly out dated and seems nobody care about creating and >> updating themes :/ >> >> Jacques >> > It looks like there are some tasks that are identified on the first > reference. > 1) There is a link to a script in a JIRA. Is this script something than > belongs as part of an administration task > > 2) In the comments, there is a request for a proper theme administration > tool > > Are these comments still valid? > The comments on the page date back to 2009 (5 years). Having comments > from 2 or 3 revisions back are confusing since one can not tell if they > apply to the current version or not. > > Can someone remove the ones that have been addressed and create JIRA > issues to get the unresolved issues onto the task list and link the page > to the outstanding JIRA items where it makes sense. > > Ron > |
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Speaking of themes, I was really upset when the ofbiz developers "yanked"
out the original backend theme for ofbiz designed by Dave. It was elegantly simplistic and functional, and also many books were written showing it. The reasons? Time to move on, time to upgrade, needs a newer polished look, bla bla bla. All of the newer themes are not as good as the original. At the time, ALL documentation, ALL examples, ALL books had oldschool as screenshot examples. Yes, I know "oldschool" is still available, and I do use it, but it does demonstrate that the few commiters blatantly make substantial changes (on a whim) w/o consulting the community or even thinking things through. [rant complete] On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux < [hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > I updated the https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/ > Visual+Themes+-+How+to page, notably for new releases but not only, > please review. > > I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/ > confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out > dated and seems nobody care about creating and updating themes :/ > > Jacques > |
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Le 16/10/2014 16:57, Ron Wheeler a écrit : > On 16/10/2014 9:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I updated the https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+-+How+to page, notably for new releases but not only, please review. >> >> I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out dated and seems nobody >> care about creating and updating themes :/ >> >> Jacques >> > It looks like there are some tasks that are identified on the first reference. > 1) There is a link to a script in a JIRA. Is this script something than belongs as part of an administration task It's a possible help to copy one theme to a new one beside the manual way which shows below. I'm not quite sure it's up to date. I don't know if people use it. > > 2) In the comments, there is a request for a proper theme administration tool Nope, it's was only about changing the default theme, which is now easily handled by a property in general.properties as I changed in the page > > Are these comments still valid? Nope I removed all of them Jacques > The comments on the page date back to 2009 (5 years). Having comments from 2 or 3 revisions back are confusing since one can not tell if they apply > to the current version or not. > > Can someone remove the ones that have been addressed and create JIRA issues to get the unresolved issues onto the task list and link the page to the > outstanding JIRA items where it makes sense. > > Ron > |
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Actually, as I explained to Ron, the comments where not about what you mentioned, but only on how to change the default backend theme.
But it was a good idead so I put your suggestion in a comment to not lose the idea Jacques Le 16/10/2014 17:25, Adrian Crum a écrit : > When the Visual Theme feature was first introduced, it was suggested that OFBiz should have an application where you can create a new visual theme > easily. The application would provide a means to upload CSS & JS files, templates, etc. > > No one has contributed that application, so the comment is still valid. > > Adrian Crum > Sandglass Software > www.sandglass-software.com > > On 10/16/2014 3:57 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote: >> On 16/10/2014 9:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I updated the >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+-+How+to >>> page, notably for new releases but not only, please review. >>> >>> I wonder if we should keep >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which >>> is completly out dated and seems nobody care about creating and >>> updating themes :/ >>> >>> Jacques >>> >> It looks like there are some tasks that are identified on the first >> reference. >> 1) There is a link to a script in a JIRA. Is this script something than >> belongs as part of an administration task >> >> 2) In the comments, there is a request for a proper theme administration >> tool >> >> Are these comments still valid? >> The comments on the page date back to 2009 (5 years). Having comments >> from 2 or 3 revisions back are confusing since one can not tell if they >> apply to the current version or not. >> >> Can someone remove the ones that have been addressed and create JIRA >> issues to get the unresolved issues onto the task list and link the page >> to the outstanding JIRA items where it makes sense. >> >> Ron >> > |
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Le 16/10/2014 15:15, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : > Hi, > > I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out dated and seems nobody > care about creating and updating themes :/ I will remove this page in a week... Jacques > > Jacques > |
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The "Old School" theme was designed by me
(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-918). Layout was easily broken in that theme - that was one of the motivators for removing it. At the time no one objected, and no one stepped forward to maintain it. Even now - no one is maintaining the Old School theme found in the Wiki. I understand your frustration, but it is clear there is very little interest in keeping that theme in the project. Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 10/16/2014 5:25 PM, Mike wrote: > Speaking of themes, I was really upset when the ofbiz developers "yanked" > out the original backend theme for ofbiz designed by Dave. It was > elegantly simplistic and functional, and also many books were written > showing it. > > The reasons? Time to move on, time to upgrade, needs a newer polished > look, bla bla bla. All of the newer themes are not as good as the original. > > At the time, ALL documentation, ALL examples, ALL books had oldschool as > screenshot examples. > > Yes, I know "oldschool" is still available, and I do use it, but it does > demonstrate that the few commiters blatantly make substantial changes (on a > whim) w/o consulting the community or even thinking things through. > > [rant complete] > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I updated the https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/ >> Visual+Themes+-+How+to page, notably for new releases but not only, >> please review. >> >> I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/ >> confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out >> dated and seems nobody care about creating and updating themes :/ >> >> Jacques >> > |
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Rants are appreciated, help even more
Jacques Le 16/10/2014 18:25, Mike a écrit : > Speaking of themes, I was really upset when the ofbiz developers "yanked" > out the original backend theme for ofbiz designed by Dave. It was > elegantly simplistic and functional, and also many books were written > showing it. > > The reasons? Time to move on, time to upgrade, needs a newer polished > look, bla bla bla. All of the newer themes are not as good as the original. > > At the time, ALL documentation, ALL examples, ALL books had oldschool as > screenshot examples. > > Yes, I know "oldschool" is still available, and I do use it, but it does > demonstrate that the few commiters blatantly make substantial changes (on a > whim) w/o consulting the community or even thinking things through. > > [rant complete] > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I updated the https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/ >> Visual+Themes+-+How+to page, notably for new releases but not only, >> please review. >> >> I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/ >> confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out >> dated and seems nobody care about creating and updating themes :/ >> >> Jacques >> |
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BTW the discussion began here http://markmail.org/message/uytj5eae5tm6pgpn
Jacques Le 16/10/2014 19:06, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : > Rants are appreciated, help even more > > Jacques > > Le 16/10/2014 18:25, Mike a écrit : >> Speaking of themes, I was really upset when the ofbiz developers "yanked" >> out the original backend theme for ofbiz designed by Dave. It was >> elegantly simplistic and functional, and also many books were written >> showing it. >> >> The reasons? Time to move on, time to upgrade, needs a newer polished >> look, bla bla bla. All of the newer themes are not as good as the original. >> >> At the time, ALL documentation, ALL examples, ALL books had oldschool as >> screenshot examples. >> >> Yes, I know "oldschool" is still available, and I do use it, but it does >> demonstrate that the few commiters blatantly make substantial changes (on a >> whim) w/o consulting the community or even thinking things through. >> >> [rant complete] >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux < >> [hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I updated the https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/ >>> Visual+Themes+-+How+to page, notably for new releases but not only, >>> please review. >>> >>> I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/ >>> confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out >>> dated and seems nobody care about creating and updating themes :/ >>> >>> Jacques >>> > |
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Oldschool still seems to work fine (in 12.04). I just had to fix the
footer. Haven't noticed any quirks. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Adrian Crum < [hidden email]> wrote: > The "Old School" theme was designed by me (https://issues.apache.org/ > jira/browse/OFBIZ-918). Layout was easily broken in that theme - that was > one of the motivators for removing it. At the time no one objected, and no > one stepped forward to maintain it. > > Even now - no one is maintaining the Old School theme found in the Wiki. > > I understand your frustration, but it is clear there is very little > interest in keeping that theme in the project. > > > Adrian Crum > Sandglass Software > www.sandglass-software.com > > On 10/16/2014 5:25 PM, Mike wrote: > >> Speaking of themes, I was really upset when the ofbiz developers "yanked" >> out the original backend theme for ofbiz designed by Dave. It was >> elegantly simplistic and functional, and also many books were written >> showing it. >> >> The reasons? Time to move on, time to upgrade, needs a newer polished >> look, bla bla bla. All of the newer themes are not as good as the >> original. >> >> At the time, ALL documentation, ALL examples, ALL books had oldschool as >> screenshot examples. >> >> Yes, I know "oldschool" is still available, and I do use it, but it does >> demonstrate that the few commiters blatantly make substantial changes (on >> a >> whim) w/o consulting the community or even thinking things through. >> >> [rant complete] >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux < >> [hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> >>> I updated the https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/ >>> Visual+Themes+-+How+to page, notably for new releases but not only, >>> please review. >>> >>> I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/ >>> confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out >>> dated and seems nobody care about creating and updating themes :/ >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >> |
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Jacques, all
Maybe we should retain the gallery as a place open for all contributors to post their screenshots of themes, and a url to where the theme is maintained? That we we keep the visibility of the diversity and at the same time keep maintenance of the page to a minimum. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote: > Oldschool still seems to work fine (in 12.04). I just had to fix the > footer. Haven't noticed any quirks. > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Adrian Crum < > [hidden email]> wrote: > > > The "Old School" theme was designed by me (https://issues.apache.org/ > > jira/browse/OFBIZ-918). Layout was easily broken in that theme - that was > > one of the motivators for removing it. At the time no one objected, and > no > > one stepped forward to maintain it. > > > > Even now - no one is maintaining the Old School theme found in the Wiki. > > > > I understand your frustration, but it is clear there is very little > > interest in keeping that theme in the project. > > > > > > Adrian Crum > > Sandglass Software > > www.sandglass-software.com > > > > On 10/16/2014 5:25 PM, Mike wrote: > > > >> Speaking of themes, I was really upset when the ofbiz developers > "yanked" > >> out the original backend theme for ofbiz designed by Dave. It was > >> elegantly simplistic and functional, and also many books were written > >> showing it. > >> > >> The reasons? Time to move on, time to upgrade, needs a newer polished > >> look, bla bla bla. All of the newer themes are not as good as the > >> original. > >> > >> At the time, ALL documentation, ALL examples, ALL books had oldschool as > >> screenshot examples. > >> > >> Yes, I know "oldschool" is still available, and I do use it, but it does > >> demonstrate that the few commiters blatantly make substantial changes > (on > >> a > >> whim) w/o consulting the community or even thinking things through. > >> > >> [rant complete] > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux < > >> [hidden email]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >>> > >>> I updated the https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/ > >>> Visual+Themes+-+How+to page, notably for new releases but not only, > >>> please review. > >>> > >>> I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/ > >>> confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out > >>> dated and seems nobody care about creating and updating themes :/ > >>> > >>> Jacques > >>> > >>> > >> > |
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I finally kept the page just updated and cleaned it
Jacques Le 17/10/2014 10:57, Pierre Smits a écrit : > Jacques, all > > Maybe we should retain the gallery as a place open for all contributors to > post their screenshots of themes, and a url to where the theme is > maintained? > > That we we keep the visibility of the diversity and at the same time keep > maintenance of the page to a minimum. > > Regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Oldschool still seems to work fine (in 12.04). I just had to fix the >> footer. Haven't noticed any quirks. >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Adrian Crum < >> [hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> The "Old School" theme was designed by me (https://issues.apache.org/ >>> jira/browse/OFBIZ-918). Layout was easily broken in that theme - that was >>> one of the motivators for removing it. At the time no one objected, and >> no >>> one stepped forward to maintain it. >>> >>> Even now - no one is maintaining the Old School theme found in the Wiki. >>> >>> I understand your frustration, but it is clear there is very little >>> interest in keeping that theme in the project. >>> >>> >>> Adrian Crum >>> Sandglass Software >>> www.sandglass-software.com >>> >>> On 10/16/2014 5:25 PM, Mike wrote: >>> >>>> Speaking of themes, I was really upset when the ofbiz developers >> "yanked" >>>> out the original backend theme for ofbiz designed by Dave. It was >>>> elegantly simplistic and functional, and also many books were written >>>> showing it. >>>> >>>> The reasons? Time to move on, time to upgrade, needs a newer polished >>>> look, bla bla bla. All of the newer themes are not as good as the >>>> original. >>>> >>>> At the time, ALL documentation, ALL examples, ALL books had oldschool as >>>> screenshot examples. >>>> >>>> Yes, I know "oldschool" is still available, and I do use it, but it does >>>> demonstrate that the few commiters blatantly make substantial changes >> (on >>>> a >>>> whim) w/o consulting the community or even thinking things through. >>>> >>>> [rant complete] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux < >>>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> I updated the https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/ >>>>> Visual+Themes+-+How+to page, notably for new releases but not only, >>>>> please review. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/ >>>>> confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out >>>>> dated and seems nobody care about creating and updating themes :/ >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> |
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BTW, contributors, I'd appreciate some help to fill the the 2nd table (ecommerce themes)
Thanks Jacques Le 19/10/2014 11:34, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : > I finally kept the page just updated and cleaned it > > Jacques > > Le 17/10/2014 10:57, Pierre Smits a écrit : >> Jacques, all >> >> Maybe we should retain the gallery as a place open for all contributors to >> post their screenshots of themes, and a url to where the theme is >> maintained? >> >> That we we keep the visibility of the diversity and at the same time keep >> maintenance of the page to a minimum. >> >> Regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Oldschool still seems to work fine (in 12.04). I just had to fix the >>> footer. Haven't noticed any quirks. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Adrian Crum < >>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> The "Old School" theme was designed by me (https://issues.apache.org/ >>>> jira/browse/OFBIZ-918). Layout was easily broken in that theme - that was >>>> one of the motivators for removing it. At the time no one objected, and >>> no >>>> one stepped forward to maintain it. >>>> >>>> Even now - no one is maintaining the Old School theme found in the Wiki. >>>> >>>> I understand your frustration, but it is clear there is very little >>>> interest in keeping that theme in the project. >>>> >>>> >>>> Adrian Crum >>>> Sandglass Software >>>> www.sandglass-software.com >>>> >>>> On 10/16/2014 5:25 PM, Mike wrote: >>>> >>>>> Speaking of themes, I was really upset when the ofbiz developers >>> "yanked" >>>>> out the original backend theme for ofbiz designed by Dave. It was >>>>> elegantly simplistic and functional, and also many books were written >>>>> showing it. >>>>> >>>>> The reasons? Time to move on, time to upgrade, needs a newer polished >>>>> look, bla bla bla. All of the newer themes are not as good as the >>>>> original. >>>>> >>>>> At the time, ALL documentation, ALL examples, ALL books had oldschool as >>>>> screenshot examples. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I know "oldschool" is still available, and I do use it, but it does >>>>> demonstrate that the few commiters blatantly make substantial changes >>> (on >>>>> a >>>>> whim) w/o consulting the community or even thinking things through. >>>>> >>>>> [rant complete] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux < >>>>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I updated the https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/ >>>>>> Visual+Themes+-+How+to page, notably for new releases but not only, >>>>>> please review. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if we should keep https://cwiki.apache.org/ >>>>>> confluence/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery which is completly out >>>>>> dated and seems nobody care about creating and updating themes :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> > |
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