Tim, David, John,
I agree with your thoughts. Heres my 2 cents on this
topic -
We all need to understand what OFBiz offers and how it helps. With
OFBiz we can create ERP, CRM, E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM, MRP, CMMS/EAM
solutions, and so on and all this is FREE. Agreed! OFBiz might be FREE of
cost but its certainly not FREE of effort. "There is no such thing as a free
lunch". It has taken 5+ years and thousands of man-hours in the making.
Imagine the amount of time and money that we will save if we embrace OFBiz.
We need to accept the fact that OFBiz is a complex framework (and can be a
little overwhelming to start with) and it will take time and effort to get
comfortable with it. If we have dont get enough time and support for
learning OFBiz, probably we are not doing a great job of convincing our
bosses or OFBiz might not be the right choice for us. Patience and dilgence
are the key virtues.
We are lucky to have so much documentation already and the
mailing list rocks... no really I mean it. All of my questions have been
answered quickly and theres a ton to learn looking at the answers of someone
else's questions. Its a learning process and I know we all want to be in the
driver's seat as soon as possible. Anyways, I applaud everyones contribution
in getting OFBiz going.
I am not an avid philosopher but below are some powerful quotes by
Mahatma Gandhi -
"You must be the change you wish to see." - Mahatma Gandhi
"Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do
it." - Mahatma Gandhi
"Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress." - Mahatma Gandhi
Have a great day everyone,
Amit Shinde
Director
Amicon Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,
Mumbai, India.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:
[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:28 PM
To:
[hidden email]
Subject: Re: Why's everybody baggin' on OFBiz lately
John, David Shere,
I second David's comments too. It's not easy to tell our bosses that.
I guess I got into a difficult place "in-between" because I was pushing for
OFBiz so hard. I
didn't have 6 months to learn OFBiz. Possibly 6 days, if not just 6 hours.
It's like I have one leg in open source boat, and another in business boat.
With both boats going
in opposite directions.
I feel sorry for all the wasteful posts (though not all are entirely
wasteful, so don't shoot me
for saying that).
Jonathon
John MCADAMS wrote:
> All,
>
> <rant>
> I second David's Comments. It has been a challenge reading the posts
> here and on the forums lately. A lot of BMW (Bitching, Moaning,
> Whining) lately. It's easy to understand why David Jones, et al, are
> possibly a little frustrated (or what seems frustrated) in some of their
> replies to the group.
>
> As a newbie, I lurk around here to see what others are doing, where
> their challenges are and to learn. What I've see for the past week or
> two is only about 35% helpful. Spirited discussions are helpful, to a
> point, then they just become noise. Therefore, I offer...
>
> My 2 cents, and it's worth what you paid for it.
>
> 1) If you don't like something, fix it and contribute it back to the
> community. Otherwise, ask for help and respect the answer you've been
> given.
> 2) Remember, we are a community, and as such, there will be things that
> we love, things we hate, and things we can be ambivalent about. You
> choose which is which. And, if you hate it, see #1.
> 3) There is a lot of work to be done, so find out what you love or hate
> in #2 and make it better.
> 4) Contribute, be part of the cause, play a part, share, and most of
> all, have fun building this OfBiz community.
>
> </rant>
> Thanks for reading,
>
>
> John McAdams
> Application Development Team Lead
> State of Oregon DHS.OIS.AMS
> 971.673.0111
> --
> "When debugging, novices insert corrective code; experts remove
> defective code." -- Richard Pattis
>
>>>>
[hidden email] 1/24/2007 10:27:47 AM >>>
>
> When I read the help forums at
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ , I tend to
>
> see the same thing. People are complaining about the developers (How
> could they *possibly* allow something like this to happen?!?!?) or ease
>
> of use (I should have to go through *all this* to get it to work!
> Ubuntu sucks!). Usually someone chimes in and says something to the
> effect of: "Ubuntu is free software. You're not in much of a position
>
> to complain about something when you're getting it for free."
>
> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>> I just wanted to move this topic to something that would be less
> related
>> to one particular topic and more related to what appears to be a
>> deteriorating tone in the user community.
>>
>> As everyone knows, there is a A LOT of work constantly going on
> around
>> the user & dev communities here at OFBiz - and thanks to this we're
>> starting to see a bunch of new, potential "power" users coming into
> the
>> fold - which is exactly what this community needs.
>>
>> When I take a step back from what is going on in my regular work life
>
>> and concentrate on the mailing lists, my personal opinion is that
> there
>> is a lot of baggin' on OFBiz going on around here! Most of the
> people
>> around here are experienced developers who have worked on a number of
>
>> different open source projects, so I guess I'm a little surprised by
>
>> where things appear to be heading.
>>
>> Without going into specifics and calling individual people out on the
>
>> carpet, I would like to have everyone just think about these things:
>>
>> 1. All committers and experienced OFBiz developers are all working
>> towards the same goal - to better the project.
>> 2. When you're not finding something that you need, it's much more
>> effective to ask where things are found - rather than criticize the
>> current set up.
>> 3. If something you want is not available, you can either head a
> group
>> that wants to develop / document it, develop it yourself, or get
> someone
>> more experienced in OFBiz to champion your cause.
>> 4. If you NEED something committed back into OFBiz and are on a
> strict
>> timeline, build in a small amount of funds to get a committer to look
> at
>> it. Often times people are too busy with paying work to look over
>> EVERYTHING - cash can, at times change priorities for everyone. This
> is
>> not to imply that being a committer is a paying gig - just that if
> your
>> stuff is a priority more for you than the community, this can help.
>> 5. It's far less stressful to try to get what you want than it is to
> be
>> right! What I mean by this, is think about what you're saying and
> how
>> you're saying it. It can go a long way towards getting you what you
>
>> really want.
>>
>>
>> Anyways, thanks for listening and I hope this helps people start to
>> structure their requests & needs in a way that motivates people to
> help
>> them. We need everyone to come in and be productive community
> members
>> so that we can all work more efficiently - let's see what we can do
> to
>> rally around the project!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>> --
>> Tim Ruppert
>> HotWax Media
>>
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com>>
>> o:801.649.6594
>> f:801.649.6595
>>
>>
>
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