accounting

Previous Topic Next Topic
 
classic Classic list List threaded Threaded
38 messages Options
12
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Jacopo Cappellato-4
Hi Heidi,

please see my comments inline:

On Jan 15, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Info Olagos wrote:

>
> b)
> I want  to know if we can modify the GlAccountClass records in the xml file?
> They are:
> Debit
> Credit
> Resource
> Asset
> Current Asset
> Cash and Equivalent
> Inventory Asset
> Long Term Asset
> Liability
> Current Liability
> Long Term Liability
> Equity
> Owners Equity
> REtained Earnings
> Equity Distribution
> REturn of Capital
> Dividends
> REvenue
> Income
> Cash Income
> Non-Cash Income
> Expense
> Cash Expense
> Interest Expense
> Cost of Goods Sold Expense
> Selling, General and Administrative Expense
> Non-Cash Expense
> Depreciation
> Amortization
> Inventory Adjustment
> Accumulated Depreciation
> Accumulated Amortization
> Non-Posting
>
> Are these id's of these descriptions used anywhere in ofbiz hardcoded or
> not?

Yes, they are used basically for three purposes:

1) when a financial time period is closed: all the accounts belonging to classes (and subclasses) ASSET, CONTRA-ASSET, LIABILITY and EQUITY are carried into the new period
2) CREDIT and DEBIT classes are used to determine how the balance of an account is computed; for CREDIT accounts the balance is credits minus debits, for DEBIT accounts the balance is debits minus credits
3) in the financial reports (cash flow statement, income statement, balance sheet) the classes are used to retrieve the accounts that are shown in each statement; for example for the balance sheet they are ASSET, CONTRA-ASSET, LIABILITY and EQUITY

> HAs anyone an idea how this works.
> Eventually i want to modify them for other localizations.
>
> For localisation we have perhaps to modify them (= add or remove some
> items?) . Is that allowed?

You can add new subclasses; if you do this according to the rules I have described above you will end up with a system that will continue to work in the proper way, and you will have the ability to further group (using the new classes) your accounts in your financial statements.

Hope it helps,

Jacopo

>
> regards,
> Heidi
>
> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>
>> Morning Heidi,
>>
>>
>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's decision
>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo account
>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
>> customer.
>>
>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets that
>> work,
>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Carsten
>>
>>
>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>
>>> Carsten,
>>>
>>> I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>> DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>> to be localised.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Heidi
>>>
>>> 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>>> I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all untested
>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>> I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting to
>> OFBiz
>>>> specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>>>
>>>> I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it makes
>>> sens
>>>> to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Carsten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para 266
>>>> structure
>>>>> as
>>>>>> XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>>>>> Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
>>>>> improvement
>>>>>> and attach stuff there.
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch to it;
>>>>> contribution like this could go into the official project (as demo
>> data
>>>> that
>>>>> is not loaded by default).
>>>>> Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of accounts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>
>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>> 80637 München
>>>> Germany
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Carsten Schinzer
>>
>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>> 80637 München
>> Germany
>>

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Heidi Dehaes - Olagos
In reply to this post by c.schinzer
Hello Carsten,

In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.

So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.

Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of accounts is
for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?

regards,
Heidi

2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>

> Morning Heidi,
>
>
> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's decision
> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo account
> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
> customer.
>
> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets that
> work,
> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
> Let me know your thoughts.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Carsten
>
>
> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>
> > Carsten,
> >
> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
> > to be localised.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Heidi
> >
> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
> >
> > > Hi Jacopo,
> > >
> > >
> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all untested
> > > yet.
> > >
> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting to
> OFBiz
> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
> > >
> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it makes
> > sens
> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Carsten
> > >
> > >
> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
> > >
> > > > Hi Carsten,
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para 266
> > > structure
> > > > as
> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
> > > > improvement
> > > > > and attach stuff there.
> > > >
> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch to it;
> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as demo
> data
> > > that
> > > > is not loaded by default).
> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of accounts?
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Jacopo
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Carsten Schinzer
> > >
> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
> > > 80637 München
> > > Germany
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best
>
> Carsten Schinzer
>
> Waisenhausstr. 53a
> 80637 München
> Germany
>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
Yes, it's the same in France
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29

Jacques

From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
Hello Carsten,

In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.

So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.

Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of accounts is
for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?

regards,
Heidi

2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>

> Morning Heidi,
>
>
> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's decision
> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo account
> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
> customer.
>
> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets that
> work,
> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
> Let me know your thoughts.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Carsten
>
>
> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>
> > Carsten,
> >
> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
> > to be localised.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Heidi
> >
> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
> >
> > > Hi Jacopo,
> > >
> > >
> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all untested
> > > yet.
> > >
> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting to
> OFBiz
> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
> > >
> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it makes
> > sens
> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Carsten
> > >
> > >
> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
> > >
> > > > Hi Carsten,
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para 266
> > > structure
> > > > as
> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
> > > > improvement
> > > > > and attach stuff there.
> > > >
> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch to it;
> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as demo
> data
> > > that
> > > > is not loaded by default).
> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of accounts?
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Jacopo
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Carsten Schinzer
> > >
> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
> > > 80637 München
> > > Germany
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best
>
> Carsten Schinzer
>
> Waisenhausstr. 53a
> 80637 München
> Germany
>


Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Heidi Dehaes - Olagos
thanks Jacques,

very interesting info !

Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to investigate it
further in detail.

regards,
Heidi

2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>

> Yes, it's the same in France
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>
> Hello Carsten,
>
> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>
> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
>
> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of accounts
> is
> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>
> regards,
> Heidi
>
> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>
> Morning Heidi,
>>
>>
>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's decision
>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo account
>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
>> customer.
>>
>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets that
>> work,
>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Carsten
>>
>>
>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>
>> > Carsten,
>> >
>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>> > to be localised.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Heidi
>> >
>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>> >
>> > > Hi Jacopo,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>> untested
>> > > yet.
>> > >
>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting to
>> OFBiz
>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>> > >
>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it makes
>> > sens
>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Carsten
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Carsten,
>> > > >
>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para 266
>> > > structure
>> > > > as
>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
>> > > > improvement
>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
>> > > >
>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch to it;
>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as demo
>> data
>> > > that
>> > > > is not loaded by default).
>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of accounts?
>> > > >
>> > > > Kind regards,
>> > > >
>> > > > Jacopo
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Best
>> > >
>> > > Carsten Schinzer
>> > >
>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
>> > > 80637 München
>> > > Germany
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Carsten Schinzer
>>
>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>> 80637 München
>> Germany
>>
>>
>
>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Heidi Dehaes - Olagos
Jacques,

Is there source code available from tercompta?

regards,
Heidi

2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>

> thanks Jacques,
>
> very interesting info !
>
> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to investigate it
> further in detail.
>
> regards,
> Heidi
>
> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>
> Yes, it's the same in France
>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Hello Carsten,
>>
>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>>
>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
>>
>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of accounts
>> is
>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>>
>> regards,
>> Heidi
>>
>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Morning Heidi,
>>>
>>>
>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's decision
>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo account
>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
>>> customer.
>>>
>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets that
>>> work,
>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> > Carsten,
>>> >
>>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>> > to be localised.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Heidi
>>> >
>>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>> >
>>> > > Hi Jacopo,
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>>> untested
>>> > > yet.
>>> > >
>>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting to
>>> OFBiz
>>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>> > >
>>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it
>>> makes
>>> > sens
>>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Carsten
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
>>> > >
>>> > > > Hi Carsten,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para 266
>>> > > structure
>>> > > > as
>>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
>>> > > > improvement
>>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch to
>>> it;
>>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as demo
>>> data
>>> > > that
>>> > > > is not loaded by default).
>>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of accounts?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Kind regards,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Jacopo
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > >
>>> > > Best
>>> > >
>>> > > Carsten Schinzer
>>> > >
>>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>> > > 80637 München
>>> > > Germany
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>
>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>> 80637 München
>>> Germany
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Heidi Dehaes - Olagos
In reply to this post by Heidi Dehaes - Olagos
Hello,

A part of the classes of the French system are the same in the Belgium
system but for sure not the subdivision in the classes.

regards,
Heidi

2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>

> thanks Jacques,
>
> very interesting info !
>
> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to investigate it
> further in detail.
>
> regards,
> Heidi
>
> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>
> Yes, it's the same in France
>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Hello Carsten,
>>
>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>>
>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
>>
>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of accounts
>> is
>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>>
>> regards,
>> Heidi
>>
>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Morning Heidi,
>>>
>>>
>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's decision
>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo account
>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
>>> customer.
>>>
>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets that
>>> work,
>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> > Carsten,
>>> >
>>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>> > to be localised.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Heidi
>>> >
>>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>> >
>>> > > Hi Jacopo,
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>>> untested
>>> > > yet.
>>> > >
>>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting to
>>> OFBiz
>>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>> > >
>>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it
>>> makes
>>> > sens
>>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Carsten
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
>>> > >
>>> > > > Hi Carsten,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para 266
>>> > > structure
>>> > > > as
>>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
>>> > > > improvement
>>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch to
>>> it;
>>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as demo
>>> data
>>> > > that
>>> > > > is not loaded by default).
>>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of accounts?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Kind regards,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Jacopo
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > >
>>> > > Best
>>> > >
>>> > > Carsten Schinzer
>>> > >
>>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>> > > 80637 München
>>> > > Germany
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>
>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>> 80637 München
>>> Germany
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
In reply to this post by Heidi Dehaes - Olagos
Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21

I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia team uses GPL...

Jacques

From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
Jacques,

Is there source code available from tercompta?

regards,
Heidi

2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>

> thanks Jacques,
>
> very interesting info !
>
> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to investigate it
> further in detail.
>
> regards,
> Heidi
>
> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>
> Yes, it's the same in France
>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Hello Carsten,
>>
>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>>
>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
>>
>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of accounts
>> is
>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>>
>> regards,
>> Heidi
>>
>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Morning Heidi,
>>>
>>>
>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's decision
>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo account
>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
>>> customer.
>>>
>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets that
>>> work,
>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> > Carsten,
>>> >
>>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>> > to be localised.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Heidi
>>> >
>>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>> >
>>> > > Hi Jacopo,
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>>> untested
>>> > > yet.
>>> > >
>>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting to
>>> OFBiz
>>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>> > >
>>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it
>>> makes
>>> > sens
>>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Carsten
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
>>> > >
>>> > > > Hi Carsten,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para 266
>>> > > structure
>>> > > > as
>>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
>>> > > > improvement
>>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch to
>>> it;
>>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as demo
>>> data
>>> > > that
>>> > > > is not loaded by default).
>>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of accounts?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Kind regards,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Jacopo
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > >
>>> > > Best
>>> > >
>>> > > Carsten Schinzer
>>> > >
>>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>> > > 80637 München
>>> > > Germany
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>
>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>> 80637 München
>>> Germany
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Heidi Dehaes - Olagos
Hello,

I have downloaded the source code.
It is using a separate component naccounting.

Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
things....)

regards,
Heidi

2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>

> Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
>
> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia team uses
> GPL...
>
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> Jacques,
>
> Is there source code available from tercompta?
>
> regards,
> Heidi
>
> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>
> thanks Jacques,
>>
>> very interesting info !
>>
>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to investigate
>> it
>> further in detail.
>>
>> regards,
>> Heidi
>>
>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Yes, it's the same in France
>>
>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Hello Carsten,
>>>
>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>>>
>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
>>>
>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of accounts
>>> is
>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Heidi
>>>
>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Morning Heidi,
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
>>>> decision
>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo account
>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
>>>> customer.
>>>>
>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets that
>>>> work,
>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Carsten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>> > Carsten,
>>>> >
>>>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>>> > to be localised.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Heidi
>>>> >
>>>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>> >
>>>> > > Hi Jacopo,
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>>>> untested
>>>> > > yet.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting to
>>>> OFBiz
>>>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it
>>>> makes
>>>> > sens
>>>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Regards
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Carsten
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > Hi Carsten,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para 266
>>>> > > structure
>>>> > > > as
>>>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
>>>> > > > improvement
>>>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch to
>>>> it;
>>>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as demo
>>>> data
>>>> > > that
>>>> > > > is not loaded by default).
>>>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of accounts?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Kind regards,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Jacopo
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Best
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Carsten Schinzer
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>> > > 80637 München
>>>> > > Germany
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>
>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>> 80637 München
>>>> Germany
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting. The Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
"addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will be released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
things are going...

Jacques

From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
Hello,

I have downloaded the source code.
It is using a separate component naccounting.

Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
things....)

regards,
Heidi

2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>

> Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
>
> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia team uses
> GPL...
>
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> Jacques,
>
> Is there source code available from tercompta?
>
> regards,
> Heidi
>
> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>
> thanks Jacques,
>>
>> very interesting info !
>>
>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to investigate
>> it
>> further in detail.
>>
>> regards,
>> Heidi
>>
>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Yes, it's the same in France
>>
>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Hello Carsten,
>>>
>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>>>
>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
>>>
>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of accounts
>>> is
>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Heidi
>>>
>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Morning Heidi,
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
>>>> decision
>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo account
>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
>>>> customer.
>>>>
>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets that
>>>> work,
>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Carsten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>> > Carsten,
>>>> >
>>>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>>> > to be localised.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Heidi
>>>> >
>>>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>> >
>>>> > > Hi Jacopo,
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>>>> untested
>>>> > > yet.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting to
>>>> OFBiz
>>>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it
>>>> makes
>>>> > sens
>>>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Regards
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Carsten
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > Hi Carsten,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para 266
>>>> > > structure
>>>> > > > as
>>>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
>>>> > > > improvement
>>>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch to
>>>> it;
>>>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as demo
>>>> data
>>>> > > that
>>>> > > > is not loaded by default).
>>>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of accounts?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Kind regards,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Jacopo
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Best
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Carsten Schinzer
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>> > > 80637 München
>>>> > > Germany
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>
>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>> 80637 München
>>>> Germany
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Malin Nicolas
Hello Heidi,

TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz accounting
components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
(inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back on
ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.

But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to make
accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
 naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
 naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
fonctionnal event)
 naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
french income statement
(you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)

TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for an
other state with change TerCompta.


If you have more question, I am available ;)

Nicolas

> Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting. The
> Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
> "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will be
> released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
> I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
> hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
> things are going...
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> Hello,
>
> I have downloaded the source code.
> It is using a separate component naccounting.
>
> Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
> things....)
>
> regards,
> Heidi
>
> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>
>> Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
>> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
>>
>> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia team
>> uses
>> GPL...
>>
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>> Jacques,
>>
>> Is there source code available from tercompta?
>>
>> regards,
>> Heidi
>>
>> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>
>> thanks Jacques,
>>>
>>> very interesting info !
>>>
>>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
>>> investigate
>>> it
>>> further in detail.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Heidi
>>>
>>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Yes, it's the same in France
>>>
>>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Carsten,
>>>>
>>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
>>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>>>>
>>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
>>>> accounts
>>>> is
>>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> Heidi
>>>>
>>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>> Morning Heidi,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
>>>>> decision
>>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
>>>>> account
>>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
>>>>> customer.
>>>>>
>>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
>>>>> that
>>>>> work,
>>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Carsten
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Carsten,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>>>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>>>> > to be localised.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>> > Heidi
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Hi Jacopo,
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>>>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>>>>> untested
>>>>> > > yet.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting
>>>>> to
>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it
>>>>> makes
>>>>> > sens
>>>>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Regards
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Carsten
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > > Hi Carsten,
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para
>>>>> 266
>>>>> > > structure
>>>>> > > > as
>>>>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>>>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket
>>>>> for
>>>>> > > > improvement
>>>>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch
>>>>> to
>>>>> it;
>>>>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as
>>>>> demo
>>>>> data
>>>>> > > that
>>>>> > > > is not loaded by default).
>>>>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of
>>>>> accounts?
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > Kind regards,
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > Jacopo
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Best
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Carsten Schinzer
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>>> > > 80637 München
>>>>> > > Germany
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>>
>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>>> 80637 München
>>>>> Germany
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: accounting

Heidi Dehaes - Olagos
Thanks Nicolas,

Interesting to know this information.

C'est bien de savoir cette information.

Merci, thanks,

Heidi

2010/1/18 <[hidden email]>

> Hello Heidi,
>
> TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz accounting
> components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
> accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
> (inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back on
> ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.
>
> But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to make
> accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
>  naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
>  naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
> your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
> fonctionnal event)
>  naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
> french income statement
> (you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)
>
> TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
> addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for an
> other state with change TerCompta.
>
>
> If you have more question, I am available ;)
>
> Nicolas
>
> > Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting.
> The
> > Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
> > "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will be
> > released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
> > I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
> > hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
> > things are going...
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have downloaded the source code.
> > It is using a separate component naccounting.
> >
> > Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
> > things....)
> >
> > regards,
> > Heidi
> >
> > 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
> >
> >> Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
> >> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
> >>
> >> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia team
> >> uses
> >> GPL...
> >>
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> >> Jacques,
> >>
> >> Is there source code available from tercompta?
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> Heidi
> >>
> >> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
> >>
> >> thanks Jacques,
> >>>
> >>> very interesting info !
> >>>
> >>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
> >>> investigate
> >>> it
> >>> further in detail.
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>> Heidi
> >>>
> >>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it's the same in France
> >>>
> >>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
> >>>>
> >>>> Jacques
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Carsten,
> >>>>
> >>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
> >>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
> >>>>
> >>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
> >>>> accounts
> >>>> is
> >>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
> >>>>
> >>>> regards,
> >>>> Heidi
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
> >>>>
> >>>> Morning Heidi,
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
> >>>>> decision
> >>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
> >>>>> account
> >>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
> >>>>> customer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> work,
> >>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
> >>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Carsten
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Carsten,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
> >>>>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
> >>>>> > to be localised.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Regards,
> >>>>> > Heidi
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > > Hi Jacopo,
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
> >>>>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
> >>>>> untested
> >>>>> > > yet.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> OFBiz
> >>>>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it
> >>>>> makes
> >>>>> > sens
> >>>>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Regards
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Carsten
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > > Hi Carsten,
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para
> >>>>> 266
> >>>>> > > structure
> >>>>> > > > as
> >>>>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
> >>>>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> > > > improvement
> >>>>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> it;
> >>>>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as
> >>>>> demo
> >>>>> data
> >>>>> > > that
> >>>>> > > > is not loaded by default).
> >>>>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of
> >>>>> accounts?
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > Kind regards,
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > Jacopo
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > --
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Best
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Carsten Schinzer
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
> >>>>> > > 80637 München
> >>>>> > > Germany
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Carsten Schinzer
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
> >>>>> 80637 München
> >>>>> Germany
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

SV: accounting

Torstein Hegbom
Is there a document (in English) that outlines the main differences between
OFBiz accounting and the nAccounting?

Med vennlig hilsen
Torstein Hegbom
IT Polaris A/S
tlf: 95832697


-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: Info Olagos [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sendt: 18. januar 2010 13:28
Til: [hidden email]
Emne: Re: accounting

Thanks Nicolas,

Interesting to know this information.

C'est bien de savoir cette information.

Merci, thanks,

Heidi

2010/1/18 <[hidden email]>

> Hello Heidi,
>
> TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz accounting
> components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
> accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
> (inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back on
> ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.
>
> But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to make
> accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
>  naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
>  naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
> your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
> fonctionnal event)
>  naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
> french income statement
> (you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)
>
> TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
> addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for an
> other state with change TerCompta.
>
>
> If you have more question, I am available ;)
>
> Nicolas
>
> > Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting.
> The
> > Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
> > "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will
be

> > released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
> > I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
> > hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
> > things are going...
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have downloaded the source code.
> > It is using a separate component naccounting.
> >
> > Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
> > things....)
> >
> > regards,
> > Heidi
> >
> > 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
> >
> >> Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
> >> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
> >>
> >> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia team
> >> uses
> >> GPL...
> >>
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> >> Jacques,
> >>
> >> Is there source code available from tercompta?
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> Heidi
> >>
> >> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
> >>
> >> thanks Jacques,
> >>>
> >>> very interesting info !
> >>>
> >>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
> >>> investigate
> >>> it
> >>> further in detail.
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>> Heidi
> >>>
> >>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it's the same in France
> >>>
> >>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
> >>>>
> >>>> Jacques
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Carsten,
> >>>>
> >>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
> >>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
> >>>>
> >>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
> >>>> accounts
> >>>> is
> >>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
> >>>>
> >>>> regards,
> >>>> Heidi
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
> >>>>
> >>>> Morning Heidi,
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
> >>>>> decision
> >>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
> >>>>> account
> >>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
> >>>>> customer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> work,
> >>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
> >>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Carsten
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Carsten,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
> >>>>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
> >>>>> > to be localised.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Regards,
> >>>>> > Heidi
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > > Hi Jacopo,
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
> >>>>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
> >>>>> untested
> >>>>> > > yet.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> OFBiz
> >>>>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though it
> >>>>> makes
> >>>>> > sens
> >>>>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Regards
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Carsten
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]>
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > > Hi Carsten,
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para
> >>>>> 266
> >>>>> > > structure
> >>>>> > > > as
> >>>>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
> >>>>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> > > > improvement
> >>>>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or patch
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> it;
> >>>>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project (as
> >>>>> demo
> >>>>> data
> >>>>> > > that
> >>>>> > > > is not loaded by default).
> >>>>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of
> >>>>> accounts?
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > Kind regards,
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > Jacopo
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > --
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Best
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Carsten Schinzer
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
> >>>>> > > 80637 München
> >>>>> > > Germany
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Carsten Schinzer
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
> >>>>> 80637 München
> >>>>> Germany
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: SV: accounting

Malin Nicolas
No, or not writing by neogia team's. If I want revert Naccounting
improvement in OFBiz, it's the first operation that will do.

Nicolas

> Is there a document (in English) that outlines the main differences
> between
> OFBiz accounting and the nAccounting?
>
> Med vennlig hilsen
> Torstein Hegbom
> IT Polaris A/S
> tlf: 95832697
>
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: Info Olagos [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sendt: 18. januar 2010 13:28
> Til: [hidden email]
> Emne: Re: accounting
>
> Thanks Nicolas,
>
> Interesting to know this information.
>
> C'est bien de savoir cette information.
>
> Merci, thanks,
>
> Heidi
>
> 2010/1/18 <[hidden email]>
>
>> Hello Heidi,
>>
>> TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz accounting
>> components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
>> accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
>> (inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back on
>> ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.
>>
>> But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to
>> make
>> accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
>>  naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
>>  naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
>> your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
>> fonctionnal event)
>>  naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
>> french income statement
>> (you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)
>>
>> TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
>> addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for
>> an
>> other state with change TerCompta.
>>
>>
>> If you have more question, I am available ;)
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
>> > Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting.
>> The
>> > Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
>> > "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will
> be
>> > released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
>> > I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
>> > hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
>> > things are going...
>> >
>> > Jacques
>> >
>> > From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I have downloaded the source code.
>> > It is using a separate component naccounting.
>> >
>> > Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
>> > things....)
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > Heidi
>> >
>> > 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>> >
>> >> Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
>> >> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
>> >>
>> >> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia
>> team
>> >> uses
>> >> GPL...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jacques
>> >>
>> >> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>> >> Jacques,
>> >>
>> >> Is there source code available from tercompta?
>> >>
>> >> regards,
>> >> Heidi
>> >>
>> >> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>> >>
>> >> thanks Jacques,
>> >>>
>> >>> very interesting info !
>> >>>
>> >>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
>> >>> investigate
>> >>> it
>> >>> further in detail.
>> >>>
>> >>> regards,
>> >>> Heidi
>> >>>
>> >>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, it's the same in France
>> >>>
>> >>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jacques
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello Carsten,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a
>> minimum
>> >>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo
>> data.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
>> >>>> accounts
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> regards,
>> >>>> Heidi
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Morning Heidi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
>> >>>>> decision
>> >>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
>> >>>>> account
>> >>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized
>> per
>> >>>>> customer.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> work,
>> >>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>> >>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Carsten
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > Carsten,
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>> >>>>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>> >>>>> > to be localised.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Regards,
>> >>>>> > Heidi
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > > Hi Jacopo,
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>> >>>>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>> >>>>> untested
>> >>>>> > > yet.
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL
>> setting
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> OFBiz
>> >>>>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though
>> it
>> >>>>> makes
>> >>>>> > sens
>> >>>>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Regards
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Carsten
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato
>> <[hidden email]>
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > > Hi Carsten,
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para
>> >>>>> 266
>> >>>>> > > structure
>> >>>>> > > > as
>> >>>>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>> >>>>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>> > > > improvement
>> >>>>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or
>> patch
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> it;
>> >>>>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project
>> (as
>> >>>>> demo
>> >>>>> data
>> >>>>> > > that
>> >>>>> > > > is not loaded by default).
>> >>>>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of
>> >>>>> accounts?
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > Kind regards,
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > Jacopo
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > --
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Best
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Carsten Schinzer
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
>> >>>>> > > 80637 München
>> >>>>> > > Germany
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>> >>>>> 80637 München
>> >>>>> Germany
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>


Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: SV: accounting

jonatan soto
Hi,

I recover this topic because I'm working on the adaptation of the spanish
accountancy plan (Plan General Contable) to Ofbiz and I think it is reusable
for other european countries and also to resolve some doubts.
In fact I am working on the low-medium sized companies PGC there is another
one for bigger enterprises, but it doesn't matter.

The firsts steps I have done are:

   - I've downloaded the PGC_ES_PYME.cvs from OpenBravo as Jeroen
   recommended and it contains all the chart accounts.
   - I've selected the columns that matches the *accountCode glAccountId
   parentGlAccountId accountName glAccountClassId*. With a little regexp and
   string replacement I've generated a data xml. I've used OpenBravo reference
   to know the meanings of the columns (
   http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Creating_Accounts_Files)

Now, it seems that I have the PGC correctly loaded. I don't know if I have
to do more things in order to get the PGC fully integrated. I have some
doubts and I hope someone can point me to the right direction:

The first thing is related to
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3411. Regarding to point 1, what
are intended for the changes of the parentGlAccountid? In my case I used a
few predefined in Ofbiz (asset, liability, revenue, expense, resource) as
was referenced on the OpenBravo document. I don't know I will experience
some side-effect because I have a very limited knowledge of how accountancy
app works internally.
I left the GL_ACCOUNT_TYPE_ID and GL_RESOURCE_TYPE_ID with null values. In
this case I also don't know what can cause.
Another thing concerned to the adaptation is to know how to do auto
calculations for some accounts. In the spanish PGC there are a few accounts
that are calculated using the values of another ones. It this possible by
default?

I am probably missing some questions, but I think they will come along the
time...

Thanks a lot!


PS: If it is the interest of somebody I can attach the spanish PGC I have
created to the jira or wiki.



On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:44 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> No, or not writing by neogia team's. If I want revert Naccounting
> improvement in OFBiz, it's the first operation that will do.
>
> Nicolas
>
> > Is there a document (in English) that outlines the main differences
> > between
> > OFBiz accounting and the nAccounting?
> >
> > Med vennlig hilsen
> > Torstein Hegbom
> > IT Polaris A/S
> > tlf: 95832697
> >
> >
> > -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> > Fra: Info Olagos [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sendt: 18. januar 2010 13:28
> > Til: [hidden email]
> > Emne: Re: accounting
> >
> > Thanks Nicolas,
> >
> > Interesting to know this information.
> >
> > C'est bien de savoir cette information.
> >
> > Merci, thanks,
> >
> > Heidi
> >
> > 2010/1/18 <[hidden email]>
> >
> >> Hello Heidi,
> >>
> >> TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz accounting
> >> components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
> >> accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
> >> (inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back on
> >> ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.
> >>
> >> But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to
> >> make
> >> accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
> >>  naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
> >>  naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
> >> your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
> >> fonctionnal event)
> >>  naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
> >> french income statement
> >> (you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)
> >>
> >> TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
> >> addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for
> >> an
> >> other state with change TerCompta.
> >>
> >>
> >> If you have more question, I am available ;)
> >>
> >> Nicolas
> >>
> >> > Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting.
> >> The
> >> > Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
> >> > "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will
> > be
> >> > released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
> >> > I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
> >> > hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
> >> > things are going...
> >> >
> >> > Jacques
> >> >
> >> > From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > I have downloaded the source code.
> >> > It is using a separate component naccounting.
> >> >
> >> > Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
> >> > things....)
> >> >
> >> > regards,
> >> > Heidi
> >> >
> >> > 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
> >> >
> >> >> Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
> >> >> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia
> >> team
> >> >> uses
> >> >> GPL...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Jacques
> >> >>
> >> >> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> >> >> Jacques,
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there source code available from tercompta?
> >> >>
> >> >> regards,
> >> >> Heidi
> >> >>
> >> >> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
> >> >>
> >> >> thanks Jacques,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> very interesting info !
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
> >> >>> investigate
> >> >>> it
> >> >>> further in detail.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> regards,
> >> >>> Heidi
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yes, it's the same in France
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Jacques
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hello Carsten,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a
> >> minimum
> >> >>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo
> >> data.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
> >> >>>> accounts
> >> >>>> is
> >> >>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> regards,
> >> >>>> Heidi
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Morning Heidi,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
> >> >>>>> decision
> >> >>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
> >> >>>>> account
> >> >>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized
> >> per
> >> >>>>> customer.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
> >> >>>>> that
> >> >>>>> work,
> >> >>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
> >> >>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Regards
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Carsten
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> > Carsten,
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
> >> >>>>> >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
> >> >>>>> > to be localised.
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > Regards,
> >> >>>>> > Heidi
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > > Hi Jacopo,
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
> >> >>>>> > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
> >> >>>>> untested
> >> >>>>> > > yet.
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL
> >> setting
> >> >>>>> to
> >> >>>>> OFBiz
> >> >>>>> > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though
> >> it
> >> >>>>> makes
> >> >>>>> > sens
> >> >>>>> > > to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > Regards
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > Carsten
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato
> >> <[hidden email]>
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > > Hi Carsten,
> >> >>>>> > > >
> >> >>>>> > > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
> >> >>>>> > > >
> >> >>>>> > > > > I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para
> >> >>>>> 266
> >> >>>>> > > structure
> >> >>>>> > > > as
> >> >>>>> > > > > XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
> >> >>>>> > > > > Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket
> >> >>>>> for
> >> >>>>> > > > improvement
> >> >>>>> > > > > and attach stuff there.
> >> >>>>> > > >
> >> >>>>> > > > yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or
> >> patch
> >> >>>>> to
> >> >>>>> it;
> >> >>>>> > > > contribution like this could go into the official project
> >> (as
> >> >>>>> demo
> >> >>>>> data
> >> >>>>> > > that
> >> >>>>> > > > is not loaded by default).
> >> >>>>> > > > Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of
> >> >>>>> accounts?
> >> >>>>> > > >
> >> >>>>> > > > Kind regards,
> >> >>>>> > > >
> >> >>>>> > > > Jacopo
> >> >>>>> > > >
> >> >>>>> > > >
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > --
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > Best
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > Carsten Schinzer
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> > > Waisenhausstr. 53a
> >> >>>>> > > 80637 München
> >> >>>>> > > Germany
> >> >>>>> > >
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Best
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Carsten Schinzer
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
> >> >>>>> 80637 München
> >> >>>>> Germany
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: SV: accounting

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
Jonatan Soto wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I recover this topic because I'm working on the adaptation of the spanish
> accountancy plan (Plan General Contable) to Ofbiz and I think it is reusable
> for other european countries and also to resolve some doubts.
> In fact I am working on the low-medium sized companies PGC there is another
> one for bigger enterprises, but it doesn't matter.
>
> The firsts steps I have done are:
>
>    - I've downloaded the PGC_ES_PYME.cvs from OpenBravo as Jeroen
>    recommended and it contains all the chart accounts.
>    - I've selected the columns that matches the *accountCode glAccountId
>    parentGlAccountId accountName glAccountClassId*. With a little regexp and
>    string replacement I've generated a data xml. I've used OpenBravo reference
>    to know the meanings of the columns (
>    http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Creating_Accounts_Files)
>
> Now, it seems that I have the PGC correctly loaded. I don't know if I have
> to do more things in order to get the PGC fully integrated. I have some
> doubts and I hope someone can point me to the right direction:
>
> The first thing is related to
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3411. Regarding to point 1, what
> are intended for the changes of the parentGlAccountid? In my case I used a
> few predefined in Ofbiz (asset, liability, revenue, expense, resource) as
> was referenced on the OpenBravo document. I don't know I will experience
> some side-effect because I have a very limited knowledge of how accountancy
> app works internally.
> I left the GL_ACCOUNT_TYPE_ID and GL_RESOURCE_TYPE_ID with null values. In
> this case I also don't know what can cause.
> Another thing concerned to the adaptation is to know how to do auto
> calculations for some accounts. In the spanish PGC there are a few accounts
> that are calculated using the values of another ones. It this possible by
> default?

I don't know, but maybe using ECA?

> I am probably missing some questions, but I think they will come along the
> time...
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
>
> PS: If it is the interest of somebody I can attach the spanish PGC I have
> created to the jira or wiki.

Yes thanks, we could have a page in the wiki with this 1st effort going on...

Jacques

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:44 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> No, or not writing by neogia team's. If I want revert Naccounting
>> improvement in OFBiz, it's the first operation that will do.
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
>>> Is there a document (in English) that outlines the main differences
>>> between
>>> OFBiz accounting and the nAccounting?
>>>
>>> Med vennlig hilsen
>>> Torstein Hegbom
>>> IT Polaris A/S
>>> tlf: 95832697
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>> Fra: Info Olagos [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sendt: 18. januar 2010 13:28
>>> Til: [hidden email]
>>> Emne: Re: accounting
>>>
>>> Thanks Nicolas,
>>>
>>> Interesting to know this information.
>>>
>>> C'est bien de savoir cette information.
>>>
>>> Merci, thanks,
>>>
>>> Heidi
>>>
>>> 2010/1/18 <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>> Hello Heidi,
>>>>
>>>> TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz accounting
>>>> components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
>>>> accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
>>>> (inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back on
>>>> ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.
>>>>
>>>> But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to
>>>> make
>>>> accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
>>>>  naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
>>>>  naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
>>>> your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
>>>> fonctionnal event)
>>>>  naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
>>>> french income statement
>>>> (you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)
>>>>
>>>> TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
>>>> addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for
>>>> an
>>>> other state with change TerCompta.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have more question, I am available ;)
>>>>
>>>> Nicolas
>>>>
>>>>> Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting. The
>>>>> Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
>>>>> "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will be
>>>>> released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
>>>>> I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
>>>>> hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
>>>>> things are going...
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have downloaded the source code.
>>>>> It is using a separate component naccounting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
>>>>> things....)
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
>>>>>> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia team
>>>>>> uses
>>>>>> GPL...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Jacques,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there source code available from tercompta?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks Jacques,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> very interesting info !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
>>>>>>> investigate
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> further in detail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it's the same in France
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Carsten,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
>>>>>>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
>>>>>>>> accounts
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Morning Heidi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
>>>>>>>>> decision
>>>>>>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
>>>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
>>>>>>>>> customer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> work,
>>>>>>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>>>>>>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Carsten
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>>>>>>>>>  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>>>>>>>>> to be localised.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>>>>>>>>>> I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all untested
>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL
>>>> setting
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>> specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though
>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>>>> sens
>>>>>>>>>>> to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato
>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para
>>>>>>>>> 266
>>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for improvement
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and attach stuff there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or
>>>> patch
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> it;
>>>>>>>>>>>> contribution like this could go into the official project
>>>> (as
>>>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> is not loaded by default).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of accounts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>>>>>>>>> 80637 München
>>>>>>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>>>>>>> 80637 München
>>>>>>>>> Germany


Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: SV: accounting

jonatan soto
Comments inline.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Jonatan Soto wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recover this topic because I'm working on the adaptation of the spanish
>> accountancy plan (Plan General Contable) to Ofbiz and I think it is
>> reusable
>> for other european countries and also to resolve some doubts.
>> In fact I am working on the low-medium sized companies PGC there is
>> another
>> one for bigger enterprises, but it doesn't matter.
>>
>> The firsts steps I have done are:
>>
>>   - I've downloaded the PGC_ES_PYME.cvs from OpenBravo as Jeroen
>>   recommended and it contains all the chart accounts.
>>   - I've selected the columns that matches the *accountCode glAccountId
>>   parentGlAccountId accountName glAccountClassId*. With a little regexp
>> and
>>   string replacement I've generated a data xml. I've used OpenBravo
>> reference
>>   to know the meanings of the columns (
>>   http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Creating_Accounts_Files)
>>
>> Now, it seems that I have the PGC correctly loaded. I don't know if I have
>> to do more things in order to get the PGC fully integrated. I have some
>> doubts and I hope someone can point me to the right direction:
>>
>> The first thing is related to
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3411. Regarding to point 1,
>> what
>> are intended for the changes of the parentGlAccountid? In my case I used a
>> few predefined in Ofbiz (asset, liability, revenue, expense, resource) as
>> was referenced on the OpenBravo document. I don't know I will experience
>> some side-effect because I have a very limited knowledge of how
>> accountancy
>> app works internally.
>> I left the GL_ACCOUNT_TYPE_ID and GL_RESOURCE_TYPE_ID with null values. In
>> this case I also don't know what can cause.
>> Another thing concerned to the adaptation is to know how to do auto
>> calculations for some accounts. In the spanish PGC there are a few
>> accounts
>> that are calculated using the values of another ones. It this possible by
>> default?
>>
>
> I don't know, but maybe using ECA?


Okay, I will investigate further so if I can find any OOTB way I will
develop a solution following this approach. Then I can create a Jira patch
and link it from the wiki or whatever.


>
>
>  I am probably missing some questions, but I think they will come along the
>> time...
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>>
>> PS: If it is the interest of somebody I can attach the spanish PGC I have
>> created to the jira or wiki.
>>
>
> Yes thanks, we could have a page in the wiki with this 1st effort going
> on...
>

May you tell me the procedure that you would like to do that.


>
> Jacques
>
>
>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:44 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>  No, or not writing by neogia team's. If I want revert Naccounting
>>> improvement in OFBiz, it's the first operation that will do.
>>>
>>> Nicolas
>>>
>>>  Is there a document (in English) that outlines the main differences
>>>> between
>>>> OFBiz accounting and the nAccounting?
>>>>
>>>> Med vennlig hilsen
>>>> Torstein Hegbom
>>>> IT Polaris A/S
>>>> tlf: 95832697
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>>> Fra: Info Olagos [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>> Sendt: 18. januar 2010 13:28
>>>> Til: [hidden email]
>>>> Emne: Re: accounting
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Nicolas,
>>>>
>>>> Interesting to know this information.
>>>>
>>>> C'est bien de savoir cette information.
>>>>
>>>> Merci, thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Heidi
>>>>
>>>> 2010/1/18 <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>>  Hello Heidi,
>>>>>
>>>>> TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz
>>>>> accounting
>>>>> components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
>>>>> accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
>>>>> (inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back
>>>>> on
>>>>> ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.
>>>>>
>>>>> But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to
>>>>> make
>>>>> accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
>>>>>  naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
>>>>>  naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
>>>>> your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
>>>>> fonctionnal event)
>>>>>  naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
>>>>> french income statement
>>>>> (you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)
>>>>>
>>>>> TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
>>>>> addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for
>>>>> an
>>>>> other state with change TerCompta.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have more question, I am available ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicolas
>>>>>
>>>>>  Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
>>>>>> "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
>>>>>> I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
>>>>>> hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
>>>>>> things are going...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have downloaded the source code.
>>>>>> It is using a separate component naccounting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
>>>>>> things....)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
>>>>>>> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia
>>>>>>> team
>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>> GPL...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Jacques,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there source code available from tercompta?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks Jacques,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> very interesting info !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
>>>>>>>> investigate
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> further in detail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's the same in France
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a
>>>>>>>>> minimum
>>>>>>>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo
>>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
>>>>>>>>> accounts
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Morning Heidi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
>>>>>>>>>> decision
>>>>>>>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
>>>>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized
>>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>> customer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> work,
>>>>>>>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Carsten
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>>>>>>>>>>  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>>>>>>>>>> to be localised.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>>>>>>>>>>>> untested
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> setting
>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> sens
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 266
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and attach stuff there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> patch
>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> it;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> contribution like this could go into the official project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (as
>>>>>
>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not loaded by default).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accounts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>>>>>>>>>> 80637 München
>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>>>>>>>> 80637 München
>>>>>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>

Kind regards.
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: SV: accounting

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
Jonatan Soto wrote:

> Comments inline.
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Jonatan Soto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recover this topic because I'm working on the adaptation of the spanish
>>> accountancy plan (Plan General Contable) to Ofbiz and I think it is
>>> reusable
>>> for other european countries and also to resolve some doubts.
>>> In fact I am working on the low-medium sized companies PGC there is
>>> another
>>> one for bigger enterprises, but it doesn't matter.
>>>
>>> The firsts steps I have done are:
>>>
>>>   - I've downloaded the PGC_ES_PYME.cvs from OpenBravo as Jeroen
>>>   recommended and it contains all the chart accounts.
>>>   - I've selected the columns that matches the *accountCode glAccountId
>>>   parentGlAccountId accountName glAccountClassId*. With a little regexp
>>> and
>>>   string replacement I've generated a data xml. I've used OpenBravo
>>> reference
>>>   to know the meanings of the columns (
>>>   http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Creating_Accounts_Files)
>>>
>>> Now, it seems that I have the PGC correctly loaded. I don't know if I have
>>> to do more things in order to get the PGC fully integrated. I have some
>>> doubts and I hope someone can point me to the right direction:
>>>
>>> The first thing is related to
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3411. Regarding to point 1,
>>> what
>>> are intended for the changes of the parentGlAccountid? In my case I used a
>>> few predefined in Ofbiz (asset, liability, revenue, expense, resource) as
>>> was referenced on the OpenBravo document. I don't know I will experience
>>> some side-effect because I have a very limited knowledge of how
>>> accountancy
>>> app works internally.
>>> I left the GL_ACCOUNT_TYPE_ID and GL_RESOURCE_TYPE_ID with null values. In
>>> this case I also don't know what can cause.
>>> Another thing concerned to the adaptation is to know how to do auto
>>> calculations for some accounts. In the spanish PGC there are a few
>>> accounts
>>> that are calculated using the values of another ones. It this possible by
>>> default?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know, but maybe using ECA?
>
>
> Okay, I will investigate further so if I can find any OOTB way I will
> develop a solution following this approach. Then I can create a Jira patch
> and link it from the wiki or whatever.

Yes, sounds good. We will try to answer your questions as your will go forward

>
>>
>>
>>  I am probably missing some questions, but I think they will come along the
>>> time...
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>>
>>> PS: If it is the interest of somebody I can attach the spanish PGC I have
>>> created to the jira or wiki.
>>>
>>
>> Yes thanks, we could have a page in the wiki with this 1st effort going
>> on...
>>
>
> May you tell me the procedure that you would like to do that.

Create a page in the open wiki space (OFBiz (Open For Business) Project Open Wiki) and as you suggested refer to it from the Jira
issue you will create. We will see later how to organize things...

Thanks

Jacques

>
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:44 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  No, or not writing by neogia team's. If I want revert Naccounting
>>>> improvement in OFBiz, it's the first operation that will do.
>>>>
>>>> Nicolas
>>>>
>>>>  Is there a document (in English) that outlines the main differences
>>>>> between
>>>>> OFBiz accounting and the nAccounting?
>>>>>
>>>>> Med vennlig hilsen
>>>>> Torstein Hegbom
>>>>> IT Polaris A/S
>>>>> tlf: 95832697
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>>>> Fra: Info Olagos [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>>> Sendt: 18. januar 2010 13:28
>>>>> Til: [hidden email]
>>>>> Emne: Re: accounting
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Nicolas,
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting to know this information.
>>>>>
>>>>> C'est bien de savoir cette information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Merci, thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/1/18 <[hidden email]>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hello Heidi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz
>>>>>> accounting
>>>>>> components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
>>>>>> accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
>>>>>> (inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
>>>>>>  naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
>>>>>>  naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
>>>>>> your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
>>>>>> fonctionnal event)
>>>>>>  naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
>>>>>> french income statement
>>>>>> (you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
>>>>>> addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> other state with change TerCompta.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have more question, I am available ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicolas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
>>>>>>> "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
>>>>>>> I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
>>>>>>> hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
>>>>>>> things are going...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have downloaded the source code.
>>>>>>> It is using a separate component naccounting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
>>>>>>> things....)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
>>>>>>>> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia
>>>>>>>> team
>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>> GPL...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>> Jacques,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there source code available from tercompta?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks Jacques,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> very interesting info !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
>>>>>>>>> investigate
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> further in detail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's the same in France
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a
>>>>>>>>>> minimum
>>>>>>>>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo
>>>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
>>>>>>>>>> accounts
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Morning Heidi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
>>>>>>>>>>> decision
>>>>>>>>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
>>>>>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>>>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized
>>>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>>> customer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> work,
>>>>>>>>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be localised.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> untested
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> setting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> sens
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 266
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and attach stuff there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> patch
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> it;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> contribution like this could go into the official project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not loaded by default).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accounts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 80637 München
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>>>>>>>>> 80637 München
>>>>>>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>
> Kind regards.


Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: SV: accounting

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
Hi Jonatan,

What happened finally?

Thanks

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>

> Jonatan Soto wrote:
>> Comments inline.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Jonatan Soto wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I recover this topic because I'm working on the adaptation of the spanish
>>>> accountancy plan (Plan General Contable) to Ofbiz and I think it is
>>>> reusable
>>>> for other european countries and also to resolve some doubts.
>>>> In fact I am working on the low-medium sized companies PGC there is
>>>> another
>>>> one for bigger enterprises, but it doesn't matter.
>>>>
>>>> The firsts steps I have done are:
>>>>
>>>>   - I've downloaded the PGC_ES_PYME.cvs from OpenBravo as Jeroen
>>>>   recommended and it contains all the chart accounts.
>>>>   - I've selected the columns that matches the *accountCode glAccountId
>>>>   parentGlAccountId accountName glAccountClassId*. With a little regexp
>>>> and
>>>>   string replacement I've generated a data xml. I've used OpenBravo
>>>> reference
>>>>   to know the meanings of the columns (
>>>>   http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Creating_Accounts_Files)
>>>>
>>>> Now, it seems that I have the PGC correctly loaded. I don't know if I have
>>>> to do more things in order to get the PGC fully integrated. I have some
>>>> doubts and I hope someone can point me to the right direction:
>>>>
>>>> The first thing is related to
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3411. Regarding to point 1,
>>>> what
>>>> are intended for the changes of the parentGlAccountid? In my case I used a
>>>> few predefined in Ofbiz (asset, liability, revenue, expense, resource) as
>>>> was referenced on the OpenBravo document. I don't know I will experience
>>>> some side-effect because I have a very limited knowledge of how
>>>> accountancy
>>>> app works internally.
>>>> I left the GL_ACCOUNT_TYPE_ID and GL_RESOURCE_TYPE_ID with null values. In
>>>> this case I also don't know what can cause.
>>>> Another thing concerned to the adaptation is to know how to do auto
>>>> calculations for some accounts. In the spanish PGC there are a few
>>>> accounts
>>>> that are calculated using the values of another ones. It this possible by
>>>> default?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know, but maybe using ECA?
>>
>>
>> Okay, I will investigate further so if I can find any OOTB way I will
>> develop a solution following this approach. Then I can create a Jira patch
>> and link it from the wiki or whatever.
>
> Yes, sounds good. We will try to answer your questions as your will go forward
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I am probably missing some questions, but I think they will come along the
>>>> time...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS: If it is the interest of somebody I can attach the spanish PGC I have
>>>> created to the jira or wiki.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes thanks, we could have a page in the wiki with this 1st effort going
>>> on...
>>>
>>
>> May you tell me the procedure that you would like to do that.
>
> Create a page in the open wiki space (OFBiz (Open For Business) Project Open Wiki) and as you suggested refer to it from the Jira
> issue you will create. We will see later how to organize things...
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
>>
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:44 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  No, or not writing by neogia team's. If I want revert Naccounting
>>>>> improvement in OFBiz, it's the first operation that will do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicolas
>>>>>
>>>>>  Is there a document (in English) that outlines the main differences
>>>>>> between
>>>>>> OFBiz accounting and the nAccounting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Med vennlig hilsen
>>>>>> Torstein Hegbom
>>>>>> IT Polaris A/S
>>>>>> tlf: 95832697
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>>>>> Fra: Info Olagos [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>>>> Sendt: 18. januar 2010 13:28
>>>>>> Til: [hidden email]
>>>>>> Emne: Re: accounting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Nicolas,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting to know this information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C'est bien de savoir cette information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Merci, thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/1/18 <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hello Heidi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz
>>>>>>> accounting
>>>>>>> components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
>>>>>>> accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
>>>>>>> (inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
>>>>>>>  naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
>>>>>>>  naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
>>>>>>> your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
>>>>>>> fonctionnal event)
>>>>>>>  naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
>>>>>>> french income statement
>>>>>>> (you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
>>>>>>> addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> other state with change TerCompta.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have more question, I am available ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nicolas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
>>>>>>>> "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
>>>>>>>> I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
>>>>>>>> hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
>>>>>>>> things are going...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have downloaded the source code.
>>>>>>>> It is using a separate component naccounting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
>>>>>>>> things....)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
>>>>>>>>> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia
>>>>>>>>> team
>>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>>> GPL...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>> Jacques,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there source code available from tercompta?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks Jacques,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> very interesting info !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
>>>>>>>>>> investigate
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> further in detail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's the same in France
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Info Olagos" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a
>>>>>>>>>>> minimum
>>>>>>>>>>> definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo
>>>>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
>>>>>>>>>>> accounts
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Morning Heidi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
>>>>>>>>>>>> decision
>>>>>>>>>>>> which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
>>>>>>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>>>>>>> definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized
>>>>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>>>> customer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> work,
>>>>>>>>>>>> e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/15 Info Olagos <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be localised.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heidi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi Jacopo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well .... errrr .... sort of in the middle of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> untested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> setting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifics such as InvoiceItems, default accounts ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have included the reference to the WIKI doc on i18n (though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to boild out ideas on the wiki rather than on the JIRA ticket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/14 Jacopo Cappellato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi Carsten,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I do have an OFBiz config artifact containing the HGB Para
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 266
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XML Emtity Config for GlAccountingClasses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question: How to share this ... I could open a JIRA ticket for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and attach stuff there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, please create a Jira ticket and attach the file or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> it;
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribution like this could go into the official project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not loaded by default).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have only gl account classes or a full chart of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accounts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 80637 München
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carsten Schinzer
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a
>>>>>>>>>>>> 80637 München
>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Kind regards.
>
>


12