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i want to suggest to ofbiz team to develop more finacial features like bank and stock market. In this way Ofbiz will be real completed.


     
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David E. Jones-2

You're right, those banking and stock market management companies are sure having a hard time these days and they really need some help. Free software could help their public looting and larceny operations be much more efficient, and of course that'll make the banks and markets more stable so the government doesn't have to steal money from all of us to keep on saving them (through taxes or through creating and loaning money through a central sanctioned bank). I'd love to work for free to help these guys get the six to eight figure bonuses they deserve! Where can I sign up?

Sorry, I tried to be subtle... but I think I failed. ;)

In all fairness... maybe I misunderstood your comment. Could you elaborate?

-David


On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:04 PM, x x wrote:

> hello
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> i want to suggest to ofbiz team to develop more finacial features like bank and stock market. In this way Ofbiz will be real completed.
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Chris Snow-3
On a serious note David, do you know of ofbiz being used in banking or
investments?  I expect it would most likely be seen in a hedge fund
management type company as they have usually more flexibility in what
they build.

David E Jones wrote:

> You're right, those banking and stock market management companies are sure having a hard time these days and they really need some help. Free software could help their public looting and larceny operations be much more efficient, and of course that'll make the banks and markets more stable so the government doesn't have to steal money from all of us to keep on saving them (through taxes or through creating and loaning money through a central sanctioned bank). I'd love to work for free to help these guys get the six to eight figure bonuses they deserve! Where can I sign up?
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> Sorry, I tried to be subtle... but I think I failed. ;)
>
> In all fairness... maybe I misunderstood your comment. Could you elaborate?
>
> -David
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> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:04 PM, x x wrote:
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>> hello
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>> i want to suggest to ofbiz team to develop more finacial features like bank and stock market. In this way Ofbiz will be real completed.
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David E. Jones-2

Actually, yes. I know it is being used in at least one financial institution, but not for managing banking... for internal procurement (if I remember right). In other words, it wasn't very far out of the normal strong points for OFBiz and certainly not for managing account balances or investments or any sort of financial WMD. There is some of that functionality included in OFBiz, like managing balance accounts (called financial accounts in OFBiz), but AFAIK those are only currently used by retailers (and at least one media company) for gift certificates and pre-pay accounts and such.

Of course, the bank using OFBiz (Citibank) is one of the rather defunct ones that is now partly owned by good old Uncle Sam since it was "too big to fail." Hopefully the use of OFBiz was in no way to blame. I guess the use of free software (plus consulting fees) to save money on internal procurement is not enough to overcome massive losses on bad loans. Of course, over 90% of the money for those bad loans came from the Fed (ie near zero interest loans as part of fractional reserve banking), and much of that money is being replaced by the Fed to prop up their balance sheets (in addition to the money from the US Treasury from the bailouts)... so who really lost the money? Maybe that's a topic for a different forum... but anyway the point is I think we can safely say that the failure of that business had nothing to do with OFBiz. :)

-David


On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Chris Snow wrote:

> On a serious note David, do you know of ofbiz being used in banking or investments?  I expect it would most likely be seen in a hedge fund management type company as they have usually more flexibility in what they build.
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> David E Jones wrote:
>> You're right, those banking and stock market management companies are sure having a hard time these days and they really need some help. Free software could help their public looting and larceny operations be much more efficient, and of course that'll make the banks and markets more stable so the government doesn't have to steal money from all of us to keep on saving them (through taxes or through creating and loaning money through a central sanctioned bank). I'd love to work for free to help these guys get the six to eight figure bonuses they deserve! Where can I sign up?
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>> Sorry, I tried to be subtle... but I think I failed. ;)
>>
>> In all fairness... maybe I misunderstood your comment. Could you elaborate?
>>
>> -David
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>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:04 PM, x x wrote:
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>>> hello
>>> i want to suggest to ofbiz team to develop more finacial features like bank and stock market. In this way Ofbiz will be real completed.
>>>
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Jacques Le Roux
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I know OFBiz is also used at HSBC, but I don't know for what purpose exactly (looks like it's also for at least procurement)

Jacques

From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]>

> Actually, yes. I know it is being used in at least one financial institution, but not for managing banking... for internal
> procurement (if I remember right). In other words, it wasn't very far out of the normal strong points for OFBiz and certainly not
> for managing account balances or investments or any sort of financial WMD. There is some of that functionality included in OFBiz,
> like managing balance accounts (called financial accounts in OFBiz), but AFAIK those are only currently used by retailers (and at
> least one media company) for gift certificates and pre-pay accounts and such.
>
> Of course, the bank using OFBiz (Citibank) is one of the rather defunct ones that is now partly owned by good old Uncle Sam since
> it was "too big to fail." Hopefully the use of OFBiz was in no way to blame. I guess the use of free software (plus consulting
> fees) to save money on internal procurement is not enough to overcome massive losses on bad loans. Of course, over 90% of the
> money for those bad loans came from the Fed (ie near zero interest loans as part of fractional reserve banking), and much of that
> money is being replaced by the Fed to prop up their balance sheets (in addition to the money from the US Treasury from the
> bailouts)... so who really lost the money? Maybe that's a topic for a different forum... but anyway the point is I think we can
> safely say that the failure of that business had nothing to do with OFBiz. :)
>
> -David
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Chris Snow wrote:
>
>> On a serious note David, do you know of ofbiz being used in banking or investments?  I expect it would most likely be seen in a
>> hedge fund management type company as they have usually more flexibility in what they build.
>>
>> David E Jones wrote:
>>> You're right, those banking and stock market management companies are sure having a hard time these days and they really need
>>> some help. Free software could help their public looting and larceny operations be much more efficient, and of course that'll
>>> make the banks and markets more stable so the government doesn't have to steal money from all of us to keep on saving them
>>> (through taxes or through creating and loaning money through a central sanctioned bank). I'd love to work for free to help these
>>> guys get the six to eight figure bonuses they deserve! Where can I sign up?
>>>
>>> Sorry, I tried to be subtle... but I think I failed. ;)
>>>
>>> In all fairness... maybe I misunderstood your comment. Could you elaborate?
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:04 PM, x x wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> hello
>>>> i want to suggest to ofbiz team to develop more finacial features like bank and stock market. In this way Ofbiz will be real
>>>> completed.
>>>>
>


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c.schinzer
Morning all,


I don't really know yet another bank that uses OFBiz, however some thoughts
here:

The accounting along with the party module would be flexible enough to
support a classic private accounting bank (I guess). However I feel we would
fail at the high degree of automation that these systems have today. But if
you want to build that ... why not.

Nevertheless, the request seems to strive towards the typical risk
management, decision-support type of apps that banking (and others) use in
trading. That sounds pretty unrealistic. I just don't think we're even close
(if I look e.g. at the out-of-the-box BI features .... hm.): Doing OLAP with
complex risk models requires a bit more than a standard data-cube (star
schema) and some workfloe around.

*X X* (sorry, mail mailing program does not reveal more) can you kindly
elaborate on where your request was going to?

Regards


Carsten
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Chris Snow-3
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What country Jacques?

Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> I know OFBiz is also used at HSBC, but I don't know for what purpose
> exactly (looks like it's also for at least procurement)
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> Jacques

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Chris Snow-3
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If someone was to create a set of requirements,  I would be interested
in developing.

x x wrote:
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> i want to suggest to ofbiz team to develop more finacial features like bank and stock market. In this way Ofbiz will be real completed.
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Jacques Le Roux
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Great Britain

Jacques

From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
> What country Jacques?
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> I know OFBiz is also used at HSBC, but I don't know for what purpose
>> exactly (looks like it's also for at least procurement)
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>> Jacques
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Chris Snow-3
Hi Jacques, do you know if it was implemented by an internal team, or an
external consultancy?

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Great Britain
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> Jacques
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> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>> What country Jacques?
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> I know OFBiz is also used at HSBC, but I don't know for what purpose
>>> exactly (looks like it's also for at least procurement)
>>>
>>> Jacques
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Jacques Le Roux
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I'm not quite sure if an internal team has taken the relay, but it was 1st done by an external consultancy, at least for the
architecture part and such

Jacques

From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>

> Hi Jacques, do you know if it was implemented by an internal team, or an external consultancy?
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Great Britain
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>>> What country Jacques?
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> I know OFBiz is also used at HSBC, but I don't know for what purpose exactly (looks like it's also for at least procurement)
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>
>>
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