extra Birt information (also answers Scott questions)

[Hans Bakker]

Some general info about Birt.
-----------------------------

This function can be separated in a runtime part and a development part
The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports which
can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz report and
can be used in any component. We especially think about  the 'main'
pages where an overview can be given of that component in a graphical
report.

This component allows the retrieval of data through the delegator,
dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)

more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.


example report:
http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html


Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting there much
easier, however making use of the BI entities.

Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this one is
pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice development
environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
spreadsheet, csv and PDF.

--
http://www.antwebsystems.com :
Quality OFBiz support for competitive rates....

[Shi Yusen]

This discussion should be on architect level, not function level.
Everybody likes Birt very much.

Personally I think it's a special purpose component and should
use/extend the BI interface.

The BI interface is a great part of v09.04, beside data mining, it also
makes it easy to set up mappings to build report db (Birt for example)
or create search index (Lucene for example) or etc.

My 2 cents,

Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.


在 2009-11-10二的 13:01 +0700，Hans Bakker写道：

> Some general info about Birt.
> -----------------------------
>
> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a development part
> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports which
> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz report and
> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the 'main'
> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a graphical
> report.
>
> This component allows the retrieval of data through the delegator,
> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>
> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
>
>
> example report:
> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>
>
> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting there much
> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>
> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this one is
> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice development
> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>

[David E. Jones-2]

Just keep in mind that if it goes into a specialpurpose component then  
"applications" components can't use it, meaning no embedded reports in  
the base applications.

It's a tool and IMO makes most sense in the framework if it's going to  
be used in any standard way.

On a side note: I hope the license review has been thorough and  
includes ALL jar files needed by BIRT as this was an issue before with  
JasperReports and certain other things...

-David


On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Shi Yusen wrote:

> This discussion should be on architect level, not function level.
> Everybody likes Birt very much.
>
> Personally I think it's a special purpose component and should
> use/extend the BI interface.
>
> The BI interface is a great part of v09.04, beside data mining, it  
> also
> makes it easy to set up mappings to build report db (Birt for example)
> or create search index (Lucene for example) or etc.
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
>
>
> 在 2009-11-10二的 13:01 +0700，Hans Bakker写道：
>> Some general info about Birt.
>> -----------------------------
>>
>> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a development  
>> part
>> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports which
>> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz report  
>> and
>> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the 'main'
>> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a graphical
>> report.
>>
>> This component allows the retrieval of data through the delegator,
>> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>>
>> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
>> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
>>
>>
>> example report:
>> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>>
>>
>> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting there  
>> much
>> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>>
>> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this  
>> one is
>> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice development
>> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
>> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
>> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

Hans,

there is a lot of redundancy with jars we have in OFBiz with the jars  
in:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/

Are all of them needed? I think we have to resolve this, and not only  
because this will greatly increase the download time.

Jacopo

On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:

> Some general info about Birt.
> -----------------------------
>
> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a development  
> part
> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports which
> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz report and
> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the 'main'
> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a graphical
> report.
>
> This component allows the retrieval of data through the delegator,
> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>
> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
>
>
> example report:
> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>
>
> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting there  
> much
> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>
> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this  
> one is
> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice development
> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>
> --
> http://www.antwebsystems.com :
> Quality OFBiz support for competitive rates....
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

Hans,

please also have a look at the license headers of new files; for  
example this one is missing its license header:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/src/org/ofbiz/birt/container/BirtContainer.java

there could be others.

Jacopo

On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> Hans,
>
> there is a lot of redundancy with jars we have in OFBiz with the  
> jars in:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/
>
> Are all of them needed? I think we have to resolve this, and not  
> only because this will greatly increase the download time.
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>
>> Some general info about Birt.
>> -----------------------------
>>
>> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a development  
>> part
>> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports which
>> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz report  
>> and
>> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the 'main'
>> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a graphical
>> report.
>>
>> This component allows the retrieval of data through the delegator,
>> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>>
>> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
>> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
>>
>>
>> example report:
>> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>>
>>
>> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting there  
>> much
>> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>>
>> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this  
>> one is
>> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice development
>> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
>> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
>> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>>
>> --
>> http://www.antwebsystems.com :
>> Quality OFBiz support for competitive rates....
>>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

Sorry for the many emails, but I prefer to send them while I run my  
quick review (because I don't know if I will be able to complete it  
today and I prefer to give some feedback earlier).
The build folder should be removed from svn:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/build/

Jacopo

On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> Hans,
>
> please also have a look at the license headers of new files; for  
> example this one is missing its license header:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/src/org/ofbiz/birt/container/BirtContainer.java
>
> there could be others.
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>> Hans,
>>
>> there is a lot of redundancy with jars we have in OFBiz with the  
>> jars in:
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/
>>
>> Are all of them needed? I think we have to resolve this, and not  
>> only because this will greatly increase the download time.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>
>>> Some general info about Birt.
>>> -----------------------------
>>>
>>> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a development  
>>> part
>>> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports  
>>> which
>>> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz report  
>>> and
>>> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the 'main'
>>> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a  
>>> graphical
>>> report.
>>>
>>> This component allows the retrieval of data through the delegator,
>>> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>>>
>>> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
>>> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
>>>
>>>
>>> example report:
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting there  
>>> much
>>> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>>>
>>> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this  
>>> one is
>>> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice development
>>> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
>>> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
>>> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.antwebsystems.com :
>>> Quality OFBiz support for competitive rates....
>>>
>>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:47 PM, David E Jones wrote:

>
> Just keep in mind that if it goes into a specialpurpose component  
> then "applications" components can't use it, meaning no embedded  
> reports in the base applications.
>
> It's a tool and IMO makes most sense in the framework if it's going  
> to be used in any standard way.
>
> On a side note: I hope the license review has been thorough and  
> includes ALL jar files needed by BIRT as this was an issue before  
> with JasperReports and certain other things...
>

This is a good point, David: for example, the following files are a  
bit confusing to me:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about.html

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about_files/

I am not sure if we can include them as they are or if we have to move  
them to the OFBiz home folder.

Hans, as suggested by David, please carefully review the new jars so  
that we don't risk to commit files that cannot stay in our svn.

Jacopo

> -David
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Shi Yusen wrote:
>
>> This discussion should be on architect level, not function level.
>> Everybody likes Birt very much.
>>
>> Personally I think it's a special purpose component and should
>> use/extend the BI interface.
>>
>> The BI interface is a great part of v09.04, beside data mining, it  
>> also
>> makes it easy to set up mappings to build report db (Birt for  
>> example)
>> or create search index (Lucene for example) or etc.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>>
>> Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
>>
>>
>> 在 2009-11-10二的 13:01 +0700，Hans Bakker写道：
>>> Some general info about Birt.
>>> -----------------------------
>>>
>>> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a development  
>>> part
>>> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports  
>>> which
>>> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz report  
>>> and
>>> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the 'main'
>>> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a  
>>> graphical
>>> report.
>>>
>>> This component allows the retrieval of data through the delegator,
>>> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>>>
>>> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
>>> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
>>>
>>>
>>> example report:
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting there  
>>> much
>>> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>>>
>>> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this  
>>> one is
>>> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice development
>>> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
>>> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
>>> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>>>
>>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

I don't think we can distribute files like this:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/webapp/birt/CancelTask.jsp

they are not licensed with the ASL2.0 and are not listed in the  
LICENSE file.

Jacopo

On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:47 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> Just keep in mind that if it goes into a specialpurpose component  
>> then "applications" components can't use it, meaning no embedded  
>> reports in the base applications.
>>
>> It's a tool and IMO makes most sense in the framework if it's going  
>> to be used in any standard way.
>>
>> On a side note: I hope the license review has been thorough and  
>> includes ALL jar files needed by BIRT as this was an issue before  
>> with JasperReports and certain other things...
>>
>
> This is a good point, David: for example, the following files are a  
> bit confusing to me:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about.html
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about_files/
>
> I am not sure if we can include them as they are or if we have to  
> move them to the OFBiz home folder.
>
> Hans, as suggested by David, please carefully review the new jars so  
> that we don't risk to commit files that cannot stay in our svn.
>
> Jacopo
>
>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Shi Yusen wrote:
>>
>>> This discussion should be on architect level, not function level.
>>> Everybody likes Birt very much.
>>>
>>> Personally I think it's a special purpose component and should
>>> use/extend the BI interface.
>>>
>>> The BI interface is a great part of v09.04, beside data mining, it  
>>> also
>>> makes it easy to set up mappings to build report db (Birt for  
>>> example)
>>> or create search index (Lucene for example) or etc.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents,
>>>
>>> Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
>>>
>>>
>>> 在 2009-11-10二的 13:01 +0700，Hans Bakker写道：
>>>> Some general info about Birt.
>>>> -----------------------------
>>>>
>>>> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a  
>>>> development part
>>>> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports  
>>>> which
>>>> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz  
>>>> report and
>>>> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the 'main'
>>>> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a  
>>>> graphical
>>>> report.
>>>>
>>>> This component allows the retrieval of data through the delegator,
>>>> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>>>>
>>>> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
>>>> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> example report:
>>>> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting  
>>>> there much
>>>> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>>>>
>>>> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this  
>>>> one is
>>>> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice  
>>>> development
>>>> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
>>>> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
>>>> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

To help on this we could ask Gavin at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1877 to put also this branch under RAT ?
http://ci.apache.org/projects/
http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/rat-output.txt

Jacques

From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>

>I don't think we can distribute files like this:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/webapp/birt/CancelTask.jsp
>
> they are not licensed with the ASL2.0 and are not listed in the  LICENSE file.
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:47 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Just keep in mind that if it goes into a specialpurpose component  then "applications" components can't use it, meaning no
>>> embedded  reports in the base applications.
>>>
>>> It's a tool and IMO makes most sense in the framework if it's going  to be used in any standard way.
>>>
>>> On a side note: I hope the license review has been thorough and  includes ALL jar files needed by BIRT as this was an issue
>>> before  with JasperReports and certain other things...
>>>
>>
>> This is a good point, David: for example, the following files are a  bit confusing to me:
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about.html
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about_files/
>>
>> I am not sure if we can include them as they are or if we have to  move them to the OFBiz home folder.
>>
>> Hans, as suggested by David, please carefully review the new jars so  that we don't risk to commit files that cannot stay in our
>> svn.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Shi Yusen wrote:
>>>
>>>> This discussion should be on architect level, not function level.
>>>> Everybody likes Birt very much.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I think it's a special purpose component and should
>>>> use/extend the BI interface.
>>>>
>>>> The BI interface is a great part of v09.04, beside data mining, it  also
>>>> makes it easy to set up mappings to build report db (Birt for  example)
>>>> or create search index (Lucene for example) or etc.
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>
>>>> Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 在 2009-11-10二的 13:01 +0700，Hans Bakker写道：
>>>>> Some general info about Birt.
>>>>> -----------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a  development part
>>>>> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports  which
>>>>> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz  report and
>>>>> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the 'main'
>>>>> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a  graphical
>>>>> report.
>>>>>
>>>>> This component allows the retrieval of data through the delegator,
>>>>> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>>>>>
>>>>> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
>>>>> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> example report:
>>>>> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting  there much
>>>>> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this  one is
>>>>> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice  development
>>>>> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
>>>>> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
>>>>> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[hans_bakker]

the header says:

Eclipse Public License v1.0

why cannot we do that? this is a compatible license?

Hans


On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 08:54 +0100, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> I don't think we can distribute files like this:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/webapp/birt/CancelTask.jsp
>
> they are not licensed with the ASL2.0 and are not listed in the  
> LICENSE file.
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
> >
> > On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:47 PM, David E Jones wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Just keep in mind that if it goes into a specialpurpose component  
> >> then "applications" components can't use it, meaning no embedded  
> >> reports in the base applications.
> >>
> >> It's a tool and IMO makes most sense in the framework if it's going  
> >> to be used in any standard way.
> >>
> >> On a side note: I hope the license review has been thorough and  
> >> includes ALL jar files needed by BIRT as this was an issue before  
> >> with JasperReports and certain other things...
> >>
> >
> > This is a good point, David: for example, the following files are a  
> > bit confusing to me:
> >
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about.html
> >
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about_files/
> >
> > I am not sure if we can include them as they are or if we have to  
> > move them to the OFBiz home folder.
> >
> > Hans, as suggested by David, please carefully review the new jars so  
> > that we don't risk to commit files that cannot stay in our svn.
> >
> > Jacopo
> >
> >
> >> -David
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Shi Yusen wrote:
> >>
> >>> This discussion should be on architect level, not function level.
> >>> Everybody likes Birt very much.
> >>>
> >>> Personally I think it's a special purpose component and should
> >>> use/extend the BI interface.
> >>>
> >>> The BI interface is a great part of v09.04, beside data mining, it  
> >>> also
> >>> makes it easy to set up mappings to build report db (Birt for  
> >>> example)
> >>> or create search index (Lucene for example) or etc.
> >>>
> >>> My 2 cents,
> >>>
> >>> Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 在 2009-11-10二的 13:01 +0700，Hans Bakker写道：
> >>>> Some general info about Birt.
> >>>> -----------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a  
> >>>> development part
> >>>> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports  
> >>>> which
> >>>> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz  
> >>>> report and
> >>>> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the 'main'
> >>>> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a  
> >>>> graphical
> >>>> report.
> >>>>
> >>>> This component allows the retrieval of data through the delegator,
> >>>> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
> >>>>
> >>>> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
> >>>> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> example report:
> >>>> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting  
> >>>> there much
> >>>> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this  
> >>>> one is
> >>>> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice  
> >>>> development
> >>>> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
> >>>> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
> >>>> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

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[Scott Gray-2]

My understanding is that you can distribute EPL binaries only and not  
source code.

Regards
Scott

HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

On 11/11/2009, at 9:26 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:

> the header says:
>
> Eclipse Public License v1.0
>
> why cannot we do that? this is a compatible license?
>
> Hans
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 08:54 +0100, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> I don't think we can distribute files like this:
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/webapp/birt/CancelTask.jsp
>>
>> they are not licensed with the ASL2.0 and are not listed in the
>> LICENSE file.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:47 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just keep in mind that if it goes into a specialpurpose component
>>>> then "applications" components can't use it, meaning no embedded
>>>> reports in the base applications.
>>>>
>>>> It's a tool and IMO makes most sense in the framework if it's going
>>>> to be used in any standard way.
>>>>
>>>> On a side note: I hope the license review has been thorough and
>>>> includes ALL jar files needed by BIRT as this was an issue before
>>>> with JasperReports and certain other things...
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is a good point, David: for example, the following files are a
>>> bit confusing to me:
>>>
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about.html
>>>
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about_files/
>>>
>>> I am not sure if we can include them as they are or if we have to
>>> move them to the OFBiz home folder.
>>>
>>> Hans, as suggested by David, please carefully review the new jars so
>>> that we don't risk to commit files that cannot stay in our svn.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Shi Yusen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This discussion should be on architect level, not function level.
>>>>> Everybody likes Birt very much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I think it's a special purpose component and should
>>>>> use/extend the BI interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> The BI interface is a great part of v09.04, beside data mining, it
>>>>> also
>>>>> makes it easy to set up mappings to build report db (Birt for
>>>>> example)
>>>>> or create search index (Lucene for example) or etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>
>>>>> Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 在 2009-11-10二的 13:01 +0700，Hans Bakker写道：
>>>>>> Some general info about Birt.
>>>>>> -----------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a
>>>>>> development part
>>>>>> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz
>>>>>> report and
>>>>>> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the  
>>>>>> 'main'
>>>>>> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a
>>>>>> graphical
>>>>>> report.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This component allows the retrieval of data through the  
>>>>>> delegator,
>>>>>> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
>>>>>> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> example report:
>>>>>> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting
>>>>>> there much
>>>>>> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this
>>>>>> one is
>>>>>> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
>>>>>> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
>>>>>> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

First of all, the file should be listed in the LICENSE file.
Second, I am not sure if we can distribute sparse source files (out of  
jars) in the project with different licenses... I really don't know.
On a side note: the file is an example of something that is not  
following the OFBiz formatting best practices.

Jacopo


On Nov 11, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:

> the header says:
>
> Eclipse Public License v1.0
>
> why cannot we do that? this is a compatible license?
>
> Hans
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 08:54 +0100, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> I don't think we can distribute files like this:
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/webapp/birt/CancelTask.jsp
>>
>> they are not licensed with the ASL2.0 and are not listed in the
>> LICENSE file.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:47 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just keep in mind that if it goes into a specialpurpose component
>>>> then "applications" components can't use it, meaning no embedded
>>>> reports in the base applications.
>>>>
>>>> It's a tool and IMO makes most sense in the framework if it's going
>>>> to be used in any standard way.
>>>>
>>>> On a side note: I hope the license review has been thorough and
>>>> includes ALL jar files needed by BIRT as this was an issue before
>>>> with JasperReports and certain other things...
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is a good point, David: for example, the following files are a
>>> bit confusing to me:
>>>
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about.html
>>>
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about_files/
>>>
>>> I am not sure if we can include them as they are or if we have to
>>> move them to the OFBiz home folder.
>>>
>>> Hans, as suggested by David, please carefully review the new jars so
>>> that we don't risk to commit files that cannot stay in our svn.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Shi Yusen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This discussion should be on architect level, not function level.
>>>>> Everybody likes Birt very much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I think it's a special purpose component and should
>>>>> use/extend the BI interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> The BI interface is a great part of v09.04, beside data mining, it
>>>>> also
>>>>> makes it easy to set up mappings to build report db (Birt for
>>>>> example)
>>>>> or create search index (Lucene for example) or etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>
>>>>> Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 在 2009-11-10二的 13:01 +0700，Hans Bakker写道：
>>>>>> Some general info about Birt.
>>>>>> -----------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a
>>>>>> development part
>>>>>> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz
>>>>>> report and
>>>>>> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the  
>>>>>> 'main'
>>>>>> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a
>>>>>> graphical
>>>>>> report.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This component allows the retrieval of data through the  
>>>>>> delegator,
>>>>>> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
>>>>>> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get started.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> example report:
>>>>>> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting
>>>>>> there much
>>>>>> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think this
>>>>>> one is
>>>>>> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
>>>>>> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
>>>>>> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>

[Scott Gray-2]

Here's the info from legal: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-b

Regards
Scott

On 11/11/2009, at 9:34 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> First of all, the file should be listed in the LICENSE file.
> Second, I am not sure if we can distribute sparse source files (out  
> of jars) in the project with different licenses... I really don't  
> know.
> On a side note: the file is an example of something that is not  
> following the OFBiz formatting best practices.
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>
>> the header says:
>>
>> Eclipse Public License v1.0
>>
>> why cannot we do that? this is a compatible license?
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 08:54 +0100, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>> I don't think we can distribute files like this:
>>>
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/webapp/birt/CancelTask.jsp
>>>
>>> they are not licensed with the ASL2.0 and are not listed in the
>>> LICENSE file.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:47 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just keep in mind that if it goes into a specialpurpose component
>>>>> then "applications" components can't use it, meaning no embedded
>>>>> reports in the base applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a tool and IMO makes most sense in the framework if it's  
>>>>> going
>>>>> to be used in any standard way.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a side note: I hope the license review has been thorough and
>>>>> includes ALL jar files needed by BIRT as this was an issue before
>>>>> with JasperReports and certain other things...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a good point, David: for example, the following files are a
>>>> bit confusing to me:
>>>>
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about.html
>>>>
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/addbirt/framework/birt/lib/platform/plugins/com.lowagie.itext_1.5.4.v20090305/about_files/
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure if we can include them as they are or if we have to
>>>> move them to the OFBiz home folder.
>>>>
>>>> Hans, as suggested by David, please carefully review the new jars  
>>>> so
>>>> that we don't risk to commit files that cannot stay in our svn.
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Shi Yusen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This discussion should be on architect level, not function level.
>>>>>> Everybody likes Birt very much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally I think it's a special purpose component and should
>>>>>> use/extend the BI interface.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The BI interface is a great part of v09.04, beside data mining,  
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> makes it easy to set up mappings to build report db (Birt for
>>>>>> example)
>>>>>> or create search index (Lucene for example) or etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 在 2009-11-10二的 13:01 +0700，Hans Bakker写道：
>>>>>>> Some general info about Birt.
>>>>>>> -----------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This function can be separated in a runtime part and a
>>>>>>> development part
>>>>>>> The runtime part we want to put in the framework so the reports
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> can be developed in Eclipse can be run in OFBiz as an ofbiz
>>>>>>> report and
>>>>>>> can be used in any component. We especially think about  the  
>>>>>>> 'main'
>>>>>>> pages where an overview can be given of that component in a
>>>>>>> graphical
>>>>>>> report.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This component allows the retrieval of data through the  
>>>>>>> delegator,
>>>>>>> dispatcher or directly from the database (several are supported)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> more info can be found at: http://www.eclipse.org/birt/
>>>>>>> and we have created some help screens in webtools to get  
>>>>>>> started.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> example report:
>>>>>>> http://www.eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/examples/solution/TopSellingProducts.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Concerning the BI component, yes it could make the reporting
>>>>>>> there much
>>>>>>> easier, however making use of the BI entities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course there are many other reporting tools, but we think  
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> one is
>>>>>>> pretty good, has an apache compatible license and a nice
>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>> environment in Eclipse and can make use of the OFBiz
>>>>>>> delegator/dispatcher. It support several output formats such
>>>>>>> spreadsheet, csv and PDF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> --
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>>
>