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Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz?
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Le 15/12/2009 08:00, Christopher Snow a écrit : > Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? > > Many thanks in advance, > > Chris Hi Chris, Maybe one time, but we have to check licences, and share the work with the communauty. For the momment, what you can do is to install this addon on you local OFBiz instace ! Cheers, > > -- Erwan de FERRIERES www.nereide.biz |
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Hi Erwan,
How do you install the addons? Do I just drop them into hot-deploy? Many thanks, Chris Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: > > > Le 15/12/2009 08:00, Christopher Snow a écrit : >> Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? >> >> Many thanks in advance, >> >> Chris > Hi Chris, > > Maybe one time, but we have to check licences, and share the work with > the communauty. > For the momment, what you can do is to install this addon on you local > OFBiz instace ! > > Cheers, > >> >> > |
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Le 15/12/2009 08:50, Christopher Snow a écrit : > Hi Erwan, > > How do you install the addons? Do I just drop them into hot-deploy? > > Many thanks, > > Chris > > Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: >> >> >> Le 15/12/2009 08:00, Christopher Snow a écrit : >>> Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? >>> >>> Many thanks in advance, >>> >>> Chris >> Hi Chris, >> >> Maybe one time, but we have to check licences, and share the work with >> the communauty. >> For the momment, what you can do is to install this addon on you local >> OFBiz instace ! It would be too easy... You have to download and extract this file in your hot-deploy component : http://addons.neogia.org/addonmanager-2.11.tar Then, you start your OFBiz instance, and a new secondary app has appeared, which is called addons. You go in it, and in the first page, you expand the first screenlet, and you type the name of the addon, for mondrian it is mondrian-3.1 It will automatically download the add-on and install it in your OFBiz. You may look after at the help file in helpdata, which will give you more information on what you have to do. HTH >> >> Cheers, >> >>> >>> >> > > -- Erwan de FERRIERES www.nereide.biz |
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Unless it provides something amazing compared to what birt is offering
I'm guessing not. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 15/12/2009, at 8:00 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? > > Many thanks in advance, > > Chris > |
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IMO, OLAP tools should not be used on transactional systems. Mondrian does
provide some amazing capabilities; but these rely on data marts (facts and dimensional tables being built). Invariablely such data marts must be built and maintained seperate to the transactional systems (and with the attendant ETL runs) Regards -- Milind On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>wrote: > Unless it provides something amazing compared to what birt is offering I'm > guessing not. > > Regards > Scott > > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > > On 15/12/2009, at 8:00 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > > Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? >> >> Many thanks in advance, >> >> Chris >> >> > |
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My understanding is that the tools provide two different roles.
BIRT is for reporting Mondrian if for (OLAP) analysis However, I've just see that BIRT has functionality for working with CUBES so the differences may be narrowing... Scott Gray wrote: > Unless it provides something amazing compared to what birt is offering > I'm guessing not. > > Regards > Scott > > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > On 15/12/2009, at 8:00 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > >> Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? >> >> Many thanks in advance, >> >> Chris >> > -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk |
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Hi Milind,
I agree with you about not mixing OLAP/OLTP. However, it looks like the marts are already built in Ofbiz (e.g. Sales Invoice Fact) and I was thinking that mondrian may be good for exposing the ofbiz data mart tables. Smaller users of ofbiz (such as my last client) would wanted the analysis tools in the ofbiz UI. Also, using multiple data sources, the OLTP and OLAP data can be stored in different backend databases that are optimized for their environment. Cheers, Chris Milind Parikh wrote: > IMO, OLAP tools should not be used on transactional systems. Mondrian does > provide some amazing capabilities; but these rely on data marts (facts and > dimensional tables being built). Invariablely such data marts must be built > and maintained seperate to the transactional systems (and with the attendant > ETL runs) > > Regards > -- Milind > > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>wrote: > > >> Unless it provides something amazing compared to what birt is offering I'm >> guessing not. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> HotWax Media >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >> >> On 15/12/2009, at 8:00 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: >> >> Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? >> >>> Many thanks in advance, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> > > -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk |
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Hi Chris,
we are currently extending the OLAP entities and use these for Birt to report on. recently we added ordersales, today we will add the Inventory Item Facts and Star schema and later the product and statistics will follow..... Regards, Hans On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 08:54 +0000, Christopher Snow wrote: > Hi Milind, > > I agree with you about not mixing OLAP/OLTP. However, it looks like the > marts are already built in Ofbiz (e.g. Sales Invoice Fact) and I was > thinking that mondrian may be good for exposing the ofbiz data mart > tables. Smaller users of ofbiz (such as my last client) would wanted > the analysis tools in the ofbiz UI. > > Also, using multiple data sources, the OLTP and OLAP data can be stored > in different backend databases that are optimized for their environment. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > Milind Parikh wrote: > > IMO, OLAP tools should not be used on transactional systems. Mondrian does > > provide some amazing capabilities; but these rely on data marts (facts and > > dimensional tables being built). Invariablely such data marts must be built > > and maintained seperate to the transactional systems (and with the attendant > > ETL runs) > > > > Regards > > -- Milind > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>wrote: > > > > > >> Unless it provides something amazing compared to what birt is offering I'm > >> guessing not. > >> > >> Regards > >> Scott > >> > >> HotWax Media > >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> > >> > >> On 15/12/2009, at 8:00 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > >> > >> Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? > >> > >>> Many thanks in advance, > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates |
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Hans, this is a really great news! Thank you.
Jacopo On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Hans Bakker wrote: > Hi Chris, > > we are currently extending the OLAP entities and use these for Birt to > report on. > > recently we added ordersales, today we will add the Inventory Item Facts > and Star schema and later the product and statistics will follow..... > > Regards, > Hans > > > On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 08:54 +0000, Christopher Snow wrote: >> Hi Milind, >> >> I agree with you about not mixing OLAP/OLTP. However, it looks like the >> marts are already built in Ofbiz (e.g. Sales Invoice Fact) and I was >> thinking that mondrian may be good for exposing the ofbiz data mart >> tables. Smaller users of ofbiz (such as my last client) would wanted >> the analysis tools in the ofbiz UI. >> >> Also, using multiple data sources, the OLTP and OLAP data can be stored >> in different backend databases that are optimized for their environment. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Chris >> >> Milind Parikh wrote: >>> IMO, OLAP tools should not be used on transactional systems. Mondrian does >>> provide some amazing capabilities; but these rely on data marts (facts and >>> dimensional tables being built). Invariablely such data marts must be built >>> and maintained seperate to the transactional systems (and with the attendant >>> ETL runs) >>> >>> Regards >>> -- Milind >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Unless it provides something amazing compared to what birt is offering I'm >>>> guessing not. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> HotWax Media >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15/12/2009, at 8:00 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: >>>> >>>> Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? >>>> >>>>> Many thanks in advance, >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- > Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates > |
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Hi Hans,
Congratulations on getting Birt into trunk! Does Birt now contain most of the functionality found in mondrian? Many thanks, Chris Hans Bakker wrote: > Hi Chris, > > we are currently extending the OLAP entities and use these for Birt to > report on. > > recently we added ordersales, today we will add the Inventory Item Facts > and Star schema and later the product and statistics will follow..... > > Regards, > Hans > > > On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 08:54 +0000, Christopher Snow wrote: > >> Hi Milind, >> >> I agree with you about not mixing OLAP/OLTP. However, it looks like the >> marts are already built in Ofbiz (e.g. Sales Invoice Fact) and I was >> thinking that mondrian may be good for exposing the ofbiz data mart >> tables. Smaller users of ofbiz (such as my last client) would wanted >> the analysis tools in the ofbiz UI. >> >> Also, using multiple data sources, the OLTP and OLAP data can be stored >> in different backend databases that are optimized for their environment. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Chris >> >> Milind Parikh wrote: >> >>> IMO, OLAP tools should not be used on transactional systems. Mondrian does >>> provide some amazing capabilities; but these rely on data marts (facts and >>> dimensional tables being built). Invariablely such data marts must be built >>> and maintained seperate to the transactional systems (and with the attendant >>> ETL runs) >>> >>> Regards >>> -- Milind >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Unless it provides something amazing compared to what birt is offering I'm >>>> guessing not. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> HotWax Media >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15/12/2009, at 8:00 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: >>>> >>>> Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Many thanks in advance, >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk |
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Hi Chris...
i do not know what mondrian is.... so i cannot really judge that. Regards, hans On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 14:04 +0000, Christopher Snow wrote: > Hi Hans, > > Congratulations on getting Birt into trunk! > > Does Birt now contain most of the functionality found in mondrian? > > Many thanks, > > Chris > > Hans Bakker wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > > > we are currently extending the OLAP entities and use these for Birt to > > report on. > > > > recently we added ordersales, today we will add the Inventory Item Facts > > and Star schema and later the product and statistics will follow..... > > > > Regards, > > Hans > > > > > > On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 08:54 +0000, Christopher Snow wrote: > > > >> Hi Milind, > >> > >> I agree with you about not mixing OLAP/OLTP. However, it looks like the > >> marts are already built in Ofbiz (e.g. Sales Invoice Fact) and I was > >> thinking that mondrian may be good for exposing the ofbiz data mart > >> tables. Smaller users of ofbiz (such as my last client) would wanted > >> the analysis tools in the ofbiz UI. > >> > >> Also, using multiple data sources, the OLTP and OLAP data can be stored > >> in different backend databases that are optimized for their environment. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> Milind Parikh wrote: > >> > >>> IMO, OLAP tools should not be used on transactional systems. Mondrian does > >>> provide some amazing capabilities; but these rely on data marts (facts and > >>> dimensional tables being built). Invariablely such data marts must be built > >>> and maintained seperate to the transactional systems (and with the attendant > >>> ETL runs) > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> -- Milind > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Unless it provides something amazing compared to what birt is offering I'm > >>>> guessing not. > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Scott > >>>> > >>>> HotWax Media > >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 15/12/2009, at 8:00 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Is it likely that the neogia mondrian addon will get added to ofbiz? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Many thanks in advance, > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates |
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Hans Bakker
<[hidden email]>wrote: > Hi Chris... > i do not know what mondrian is.... > > so i cannot really judge that. > > Regards, > hans Mondrian is a tool for getting datasets into the form needed by Pentaho. This is Business Intelligence software that is used heavily by analysts who do forecasting and deal with business metrics. To get into this stuff requires a bit of immersion into the language and the concepts used by business analysts, but it's pretty interesting if you need to do complex, arbitrary reporting on a large volume of data. A good place to start as an OFBiz user is with the Opentaps distribution, which has some Pentaho integration already. Pentaho itself is an enormous project that has a very active community. There's enough material here: http://www.pentaho.com/ to keep you busy for months. I hope the Pentaho/OFBiz integration improves, because I see great potential for the ETL and reporting layers to fill a very important niche that is left open by OFBiz so far. |
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