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BJ Freeman
it seems that help does not use the docbooks xsl files to generated the
output.
if it did it would use the docbook.css.
the end result is that the formatting elemments in the docbook files are
not generated in the help output of the files.

I would like to move to the docbook output so the top level help will
see the TOC in the right pain.

At this point I am not going to try to do anything with the left navigation.
https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML#N20080
select the TOC and below for a view source
then open up help on any app and click on setup to see the difference
view the source of the help.

Opinions?
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Re: ofbiz help formatting

hans_bakker
we cannot use the docbook xsl files because that is too slow and takes a
lot of processing. ftl is much quicker here.....so in the help files we
use a limited docbook functionality

Regards,
Hans

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 17:40 -0800, BJ Freeman wrote:

> it seems that help does not use the docbooks xsl files to generated the
> output.
> if it did it would use the docbook.css.
> the end result is that the formatting elemments in the docbook files are
> not generated in the help output of the files.
>
> I would like to move to the docbook output so the top level help will
> see the TOC in the right pain.
>
> At this point I am not going to try to do anything with the left navigation.
> https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML#N20080
> select the TOC and below for a view source
> then open up help on any app and click on setup to see the difference
> view the source of the help.
>
> Opinions?

--
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Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.

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Re: ofbiz help formatting

Jacques Le Roux
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From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
> we cannot use the docbook xsl files because that is too slow and takes a
> lot of processing. ftl is much quicker here.....so in the help files we
> use a limited docbook functionality
>
> Regards,
> Hans

Yes, now that it works again, on demo trunk it takes 30 sec to perform
https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML

BJ: as we already spoken about that, I know you only used it as an example. For the others please don't use this link on demo, use
only the Online Help (question Mark button)!

Thanks

Jacques
PS: for users (I already sent to dev list), we have now 4GB of memory for our demo instances and I have fixed a bag locking threads
bug yesterday. So you should have a better experience now. Though we still have an issue related to this bug
http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6916062. We use 6u22-rev(b04) which has a buggy Hot Spot, I will upgrade to 6u22-rev(b09)
soon. Then we should be able to run 3 demos when needed, I mean R9.04, R10.04 and trunk...


> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 17:40 -0800, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> it seems that help does not use the docbooks xsl files to generated the
>> output.
>> if it did it would use the docbook.css.
>> the end result is that the formatting elemments in the docbook files are
>> not generated in the help output of the files.
>>
>> I would like to move to the docbook output so the top level help will
>> see the TOC in the right pain.
>>
>> At this point I am not going to try to do anything with the left navigation.
>> https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML#N20080
>> select the TOC and below for a view source
>> then open up help on any app and click on setup to see the difference
>> view the source of the help.
>>
>> Opinions?
>
> --
> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>


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Re: ofbiz help formatting

BJ Freeman
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Hans:
on my localhost 1.8ghz cpu the time is 152. sec( laptop has an average
of 35% cpu without the ofbiz running)

on my Dedicated server 3.8ghz cpu the time is 52 sec (I have 5 ofbiz
instances, mail server, and many websites)

on the Demo-trunk Apache server the time is 2 sec.
this is for the full technical and user docs.

Also the processing for help is a chapter or
Section level of docbook code which is less.

my guess is that help will be in milliseconds.

if I create a patch would you be willing to check it out.
I will be doing this for my versions.

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Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com  <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

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Hans Bakker sent the following on 12/17/2010 10:19 PM:

> we cannot use the docbook xsl files because that is too slow and takes a
> lot of processing. ftl is much quicker here.....so in the help files we
> use a limited docbook functionality
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 17:40 -0800, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> it seems that help does not use the docbooks xsl files to generated the
>> output.
>> if it did it would use the docbook.css.
>> the end result is that the formatting elemments in the docbook files are
>> not generated in the help output of the files.
>>
>> I would like to move to the docbook output so the top level help will
>> see the TOC in the right pain.
>>
>> At this point I am not going to try to do anything with the left navigation.
clip the url.

>> select the TOC and below for a view source
>> then open up help on any app and click on setup to see the difference
>> view the source of the help.
>>
>> Opinions?
>
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Re: ofbiz help formatting

BJ Freeman
In reply to this post by Jacques Le Roux
I apologize on using the URL.
thought since it was fixed that it would be ok.
I will use my server from now on.

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Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com  <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man


Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 12/17/2010 11:31 PM:

> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>> we cannot use the docbook xsl files because that is too slow and takes a
>> lot of processing. ftl is much quicker here.....so in the help files we
>> use a limited docbook functionality
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>
> Yes, now that it works again, on demo trunk it takes 30 sec to perform
> https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML
>
> BJ: as we already spoken about that, I know you only used it as an
> example. For the others please don't use this link on demo, use only the
> Online Help (question Mark button)!
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
> PS: for users (I already sent to dev list), we have now 4GB of memory
> for our demo instances and I have fixed a bag locking threads
> bug yesterday. So you should have a better experience now. Though we
> still have an issue related to this bug
> http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6916062. We use 6u22-rev(b04)
> which has a buggy Hot Spot, I will upgrade to 6u22-rev(b09)
> soon. Then we should be able to run 3 demos when needed, I mean R9.04,
> R10.04 and trunk...
>
>
>> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 17:40 -0800, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> it seems that help does not use the docbooks xsl files to generated the
>>> output.
>>> if it did it would use the docbook.css.
>>> the end result is that the formatting elemments in the docbook files are
>>> not generated in the help output of the files.
>>>
>>> I would like to move to the docbook output so the top level help will
>>> see the TOC in the right pain.
>>>
>>> At this point I am not going to try to do anything with the left
>>> navigation.
>>> https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML#N20080
>>> select the TOC and below for a view source
>>> then open up help on any app and click on setup to see the difference
>>> view the source of the help.
>>>
>>> Opinions?
>>
>> --
>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>
>
>
>

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Re: ofbiz help formatting

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]>
>I apologize on using the URL.
> thought since it was fixed that it would be ok.
> I will use my server from now on.

Thanks BJ,

I just retried, last time it was 30 sec, I got it in 15 sec, this time (4GB, jdk_1.6.23). Anyway it's better to keep it at home...

Jacques
 

> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com  <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 12/17/2010 11:31 PM:
>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>>> we cannot use the docbook xsl files because that is too slow and takes a
>>> lot of processing. ftl is much quicker here.....so in the help files we
>>> use a limited docbook functionality
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>
>> Yes, now that it works again, on demo trunk it takes 30 sec to perform
>> https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML
>>
>> BJ: as we already spoken about that, I know you only used it as an
>> example. For the others please don't use this link on demo, use only the
>> Online Help (question Mark button)!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>> PS: for users (I already sent to dev list), we have now 4GB of memory
>> for our demo instances and I have fixed a bag locking threads
>> bug yesterday. So you should have a better experience now. Though we
>> still have an issue related to this bug
>> http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6916062. We use 6u22-rev(b04)
>> which has a buggy Hot Spot, I will upgrade to 6u22-rev(b09)
>> soon. Then we should be able to run 3 demos when needed, I mean R9.04,
>> R10.04 and trunk...
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 17:40 -0800, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>> it seems that help does not use the docbooks xsl files to generated the
>>>> output.
>>>> if it did it would use the docbook.css.
>>>> the end result is that the formatting elemments in the docbook files are
>>>> not generated in the help output of the files.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to move to the docbook output so the top level help will
>>>> see the TOC in the right pain.
>>>>
>>>> At this point I am not going to try to do anything with the left
>>>> navigation.
>>>> https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML#N20080
>>>> select the TOC and below for a view source
>>>> then open up help on any app and click on setup to see the difference
>>>> view the source of the help.
>>>>
>>>> Opinions?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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BJ Freeman
sounds good.
I just refrain from using my URL for the mailing list.
since I know it is ok will use my server from now on.
:D

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Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com  <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

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Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 12/18/2010 5:56 AM:

> From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]>
>> I apologize on using the URL.
>> thought since it was fixed that it would be ok.
>> I will use my server from now on.
>
> Thanks BJ,
>
> I just retried, last time it was 30 sec, I got it in 15 sec, this time
> (4GB, jdk_1.6.23). Anyway it's better to keep it at home...
>
> Jacques
>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 12/17/2010 11:31 PM:
>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>>>> we cannot use the docbook xsl files because that is too slow and
>>>> takes a
>>>> lot of processing. ftl is much quicker here.....so in the help files we
>>>> use a limited docbook functionality
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Hans
>>>
>>> Yes, now that it works again, on demo trunk it takes 30 sec to perform
>>> https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML
>>>
>>> BJ: as we already spoken about that, I know you only used it as an
>>> example. For the others please don't use this link on demo, use only the
>>> Online Help (question Mark button)!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>> PS: for users (I already sent to dev list), we have now 4GB of memory
>>> for our demo instances and I have fixed a bag locking threads
>>> bug yesterday. So you should have a better experience now. Though we
>>> still have an issue related to this bug
>>> http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6916062. We use 6u22-rev(b04)
>>> which has a buggy Hot Spot, I will upgrade to 6u22-rev(b09)
>>> soon. Then we should be able to run 3 demos when needed, I mean R9.04,
>>> R10.04 and trunk...
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 17:40 -0800, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>> it seems that help does not use the docbooks xsl files to generated
>>>>> the
>>>>> output.
>>>>> if it did it would use the docbook.css.
>>>>> the end result is that the formatting elemments in the docbook
>>>>> files are
>>>>> not generated in the help output of the files.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to move to the docbook output so the top level help will
>>>>> see the TOC in the right pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this point I am not going to try to do anything with the left
>>>>> navigation.
>>>>> https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML#N20080
>>>>>
>>>>> select the TOC and below for a view source
>>>>> then open up help on any app and click on setup to see the difference
>>>>> view the source of the help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>