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Hello,
What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist at the moment, is the following: It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a certain new product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product properties, day two you continue with the content part, day three you continue with the price, etc. You only publish the new product when you have completed all data. So the product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. So one need a PUBLISH button. I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. Regards, Heidi & Eric -- Olagos bvba http://www.olagos.eu <http://www.olagos.eu/> http://www.olagos.com http://www.olagos.be http://www.olagos.nl Olagos team Heesterbos 5 2570 Duffel Belgium |
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Hi,
Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to control visibility in the catalog? --Venkat On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info Olagos <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hello, > > What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist at the > moment, is the following: > > It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a certain new > product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product > properties, day two you continue with the content part, day three you > continue with the price, etc. > > You only publish the new product when you have completed all data. So the > product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. > > So one need a PUBLISH button. > > I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. > > Regards, > Heidi & Eric > > -- > Olagos bvba > http://www.olagos.eu <http://www.olagos.eu/> > http://www.olagos.com > http://www.olagos.be > http://www.olagos.nl > Olagos team > Heesterbos 5 > 2570 Duffel > Belgium > -- Regards, Venkat |
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The solution would be to not add the product to the VIEW_ALLOW category
until you are done setting it up. Thanks& Regards Atul Vani Enterprise Software Developer HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and see for yourself. On 05/21/2012 12:47 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: > Hi, > > Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to control > visibility in the catalog? > > --Venkat > > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist at the >> moment, is the following: >> >> It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a certain new >> product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product >> properties, day two you continue with the content part, day three you >> continue with the price, etc. >> >> You only publish the new product when you have completed all data. So the >> product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. >> >> So one need a PUBLISH button. >> >> I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. >> >> Regards, >> Heidi& Eric >> >> -- >> Olagos bvba >> http://www.olagos.eu<http://www.olagos.eu/> >> http://www.olagos.com >> http://www.olagos.be >> http://www.olagos.nl >> Olagos team >> Heesterbos 5 >> 2570 Duffel >> Belgium >> > > |
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Hi Heidi:
IMHO, these responses are missing the point and show a total lack of understanding surrounding the many and varied business rules behind publishing a product catalog. I think this is a really cool idea and would certainly set OFBiz apart from any competition. Best Regards, Ruth Hoffman Owner, Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC http://www.myofbiz.com On 5/21/12 3:21 AM, Atul Vani wrote: > The solution would be to not add the product to the VIEW_ALLOW > category until you are done setting it up. > > Thanks& Regards > Atul Vani > Enterprise Software Developer > HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ > We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and see for > yourself. > > > On 05/21/2012 12:47 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to control >> visibility in the catalog? >> >> --Venkat >> >> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist at the >>> moment, is the following: >>> >>> It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a certain new >>> product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product >>> properties, day two you continue with the content part, day three you >>> continue with the price, etc. >>> >>> You only publish the new product when you have completed all data. >>> So the >>> product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. >>> >>> So one need a PUBLISH button. >>> >>> I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Heidi& Eric >>> >>> -- >>> Olagos bvba >>> http://www.olagos.eu<http://www.olagos.eu/> >>> http://www.olagos.com >>> http://www.olagos.be >>> http://www.olagos.nl >>> Olagos team >>> Heesterbos 5 >>> 2570 Duffel >>> Belgium >>> >> >> > |
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Hi Ruth,
Yes, i think it is smoother to push one button, than to have to think to set every date available in the catalog manager on the right date and change it afterwards. But i think in that case database model should change a little bit. Regards, Eric & Heidi 2012/5/21 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]> > Hi Heidi: > IMHO, these responses are missing the point and show a total lack of > understanding surrounding the many and varied business rules behind > publishing a product catalog. > > I think this is a really cool idea and would certainly set OFBiz apart > from any competition. > > Best Regards, > Ruth Hoffman > Owner, Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC > http://www.myofbiz.com > > > > On 5/21/12 3:21 AM, Atul Vani wrote: > >> The solution would be to not add the product to the VIEW_ALLOW category >> until you are done setting it up. >> >> Thanks& Regards >> Atul Vani >> Enterprise Software Developer >> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ >> We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and see for >> yourself. >> >> >> On 05/21/2012 12:47 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to control >>> visibility in the catalog? >>> >>> --Venkat >>> >>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>>> >>>> What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist at the >>>> moment, is the following: >>>> >>>> It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a certain new >>>> product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product >>>> properties, day two you continue with the content part, day three you >>>> continue with the price, etc. >>>> >>>> You only publish the new product when you have completed all data. So >>>> the >>>> product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. >>>> >>>> So one need a PUBLISH button. >>>> >>>> I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Heidi& Eric >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Olagos bvba >>>> http://www.olagos.eu<http://**www.olagos.eu/ <http://www.olagos.eu/>> >>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>> Olagos team >>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>> 2570 Duffel >>>> Belgium >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> -- Olagos bvba http://www.olagos.eu <http://www.olagos.eu/> http://www.olagos.com http://www.olagos.be http://www.olagos.nl Olagos team Heesterbos 5 2570 Duffel Belgium |
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Hi Heidi:
I started working on something like this a long time ago but got distracted with other projects. I was using the workflow part of the data model to managing the process of creating and publishing a product. My solution was a new "Product Management" application. It didn't require data model changes but rather a completely new UI. (An OFBiz webapp etc. with webpages, events...) Best Regards, Ruth Hoffman On 5/21/12 8:04 AM, Info Olagos wrote: > Hi Ruth, > > Yes, i think it is smoother to push one button, than to have to think to > set every date available in the catalog manager on the right date and > change it afterwards. > But i think in that case database model should change a little bit. > > Regards, > Eric& Heidi > > 2012/5/21 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]> > >> Hi Heidi: >> IMHO, these responses are missing the point and show a total lack of >> understanding surrounding the many and varied business rules behind >> publishing a product catalog. >> >> I think this is a really cool idea and would certainly set OFBiz apart >> from any competition. >> >> Best Regards, >> Ruth Hoffman >> Owner, Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC >> http://www.myofbiz.com >> >> >> >> On 5/21/12 3:21 AM, Atul Vani wrote: >> >>> The solution would be to not add the product to the VIEW_ALLOW category >>> until you are done setting it up. >>> >>> Thanks& Regards >>> Atul Vani >>> Enterprise Software Developer >>> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ >>> We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and see for >>> yourself. >>> >>> >>> On 05/21/2012 12:47 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to control >>>> visibility in the catalog? >>>> >>>> --Venkat >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>>> What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist at the >>>>> moment, is the following: >>>>> >>>>> It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a certain new >>>>> product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product >>>>> properties, day two you continue with the content part, day three you >>>>> continue with the price, etc. >>>>> >>>>> You only publish the new product when you have completed all data. So >>>>> the >>>>> product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. >>>>> >>>>> So one need a PUBLISH button. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Heidi& Eric >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>> http://www.olagos.eu<http://**www.olagos.eu/<http://www.olagos.eu/>> >>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>> Olagos team >>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>> Belgium >>>>> >>>>> >>>> > |
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There is also something similar in our BigFish implementation. Checkout
resources at http://bigfish.salmonllc.com -- in particular the Admin Module for one of the demo instances at https://bigfish.salmonllc.com:8442/osafe-admin/control/main. The Catalog/Product area allows entry of a new product. We have exposed all aspects of a Product definition for an eComm application. Having a "Publish" function would be very easy to implement -- it would essentially manage the start/end date. As is often the case, all the "pieces" are available in OFBiz, just a matter of exposing the functionality in a different way. Best Regards, Nick Rosser [hidden email] O: 516.742.7888 x221 C: 516.901.1720 On 5/21/2012 8:21 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Hi Heidi: > I started working on something like this a long time ago but got > distracted with other projects. I was using the workflow part of the > data model to managing the process of creating and publishing a > product. My solution was a new "Product Management" application. It > didn't require data model changes but rather a completely new UI. (An > OFBiz webapp etc. with webpages, events...) > > Best Regards, > Ruth Hoffman > > > On 5/21/12 8:04 AM, Info Olagos wrote: >> Hi Ruth, >> >> Yes, i think it is smoother to push one button, than to have to think to >> set every date available in the catalog manager on the right date and >> change it afterwards. >> But i think in that case database model should change a little bit. >> >> Regards, >> Eric& Heidi >> >> 2012/5/21 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]> >> >>> Hi Heidi: >>> IMHO, these responses are missing the point and show a total lack of >>> understanding surrounding the many and varied business rules behind >>> publishing a product catalog. >>> >>> I think this is a really cool idea and would certainly set OFBiz apart >>> from any competition. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Ruth Hoffman >>> Owner, Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC >>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/21/12 3:21 AM, Atul Vani wrote: >>> >>>> The solution would be to not add the product to the VIEW_ALLOW >>>> category >>>> until you are done setting it up. >>>> >>>> Thanks& Regards >>>> Atul Vani >>>> Enterprise Software Developer >>>> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ >>>> We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and see for >>>> yourself. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05/21/2012 12:47 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to control >>>>> visibility in the catalog? >>>>> >>>>> --Venkat >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>>> What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist >>>>>> at the >>>>>> moment, is the following: >>>>>> >>>>>> It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a certain new >>>>>> product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product >>>>>> properties, day two you continue with the content part, day three >>>>>> you >>>>>> continue with the price, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> You only publish the new product when you have completed all >>>>>> data. So >>>>>> the >>>>>> product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. >>>>>> >>>>>> So one need a PUBLISH button. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Heidi& Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu<http://**www.olagos.eu/<http://www.olagos.eu/>> >>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>> Belgium >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> |
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Hi Nick:
I agree with you 100%. IMHO it is noteworthy that BigFish does implement an entirely new UI to expose these functions. In my ideal world, I would add to BigFish and build a new application. This application would, under certain circumstances (these are the business rules that I mentioned earlier) allow the publish function (the "button" that sets the active/inactive date) to only "work" when, for example: A valid price exists There is enough inventory to cover fulfillment There is at least one image of the correct resolution The product description or other content has been approved Each one of these requirements is driven by a business rule. Right now, the only way that these business rules are enforced are by the order of the data entry screens and/or the BigFish product loader. (BTW, I've had an opportunity to use BigFish recently, so I'm pretty up-to-date on its features/functions. Nice job!) Best Regards, Ruth Hoffman Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC. http://www.myofbiz.com http://www.aesolves.com On 5/21/12 8:29 AM, Nick Rosser wrote: > There is also something similar in our BigFish implementation. > Checkout resources at http://bigfish.salmonllc.com -- in particular > the Admin Module for one of the demo instances at > https://bigfish.salmonllc.com:8442/osafe-admin/control/main. The > Catalog/Product area allows entry of a new product. > > We have exposed all aspects of a Product definition for an eComm > application. Having a "Publish" function would be very easy to > implement -- it would essentially manage the start/end date. > > As is often the case, all the "pieces" are available in OFBiz, just a > matter of exposing the functionality in a different way. > > Best Regards, > > Nick Rosser > [hidden email] > O: 516.742.7888 x221 > C: 516.901.1720 > > > On 5/21/2012 8:21 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> Hi Heidi: >> I started working on something like this a long time ago but got >> distracted with other projects. I was using the workflow part of the >> data model to managing the process of creating and publishing a >> product. My solution was a new "Product Management" application. It >> didn't require data model changes but rather a completely new UI. >> (An OFBiz webapp etc. with webpages, events...) >> >> Best Regards, >> Ruth Hoffman >> >> >> On 5/21/12 8:04 AM, Info Olagos wrote: >>> Hi Ruth, >>> >>> Yes, i think it is smoother to push one button, than to have to >>> think to >>> set every date available in the catalog manager on the right date and >>> change it afterwards. >>> But i think in that case database model should change a little bit. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Eric& Heidi >>> >>> 2012/5/21 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]> >>> >>>> Hi Heidi: >>>> IMHO, these responses are missing the point and show a total lack of >>>> understanding surrounding the many and varied business rules behind >>>> publishing a product catalog. >>>> >>>> I think this is a really cool idea and would certainly set OFBiz apart >>>> from any competition. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Ruth Hoffman >>>> Owner, Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC >>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/21/12 3:21 AM, Atul Vani wrote: >>>> >>>>> The solution would be to not add the product to the VIEW_ALLOW >>>>> category >>>>> until you are done setting it up. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks& Regards >>>>> Atul Vani >>>>> Enterprise Software Developer >>>>> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ >>>>> We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and see for >>>>> yourself. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 05/21/2012 12:47 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to control >>>>>> visibility in the catalog? >>>>>> >>>>>> --Venkat >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist >>>>>>> at the >>>>>>> moment, is the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a certain >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product >>>>>>> properties, day two you continue with the content part, day >>>>>>> three you >>>>>>> continue with the price, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You only publish the new product when you have completed all >>>>>>> data. So >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So one need a PUBLISH button. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Heidi& Eric >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu<http://**www.olagos.eu/<http://www.olagos.eu/>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>>> Belgium >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > |
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Ruth,
Yep, all possibilities. As always the simple original request that was posted "so we need a PUBLISH button" now morphs into something that gets considerably more complex! You mentioned pricing, inventory, image available and approvals (all good considerations). I would add to this the complexity of Virtual / Variant product definitions. And the introduced/discontinued date. So now we very quickly get into something more complex. What if an eCommerce client is not using OFBiz inventory (we have clients that accept orders into their existing ERP solution and manage inventory from there)? We have yet more clients that want variants with no or low inventory to be listed -- in their case if that variant is selected the customer knows it is "out of stock". What if pricing expires on a certain date (so in a few days there will not be any pricing available)? And approvals (workflow, who can approve? what if they are on vacation? multiple levels of approval?) opens up a complete other aspect of managing products (and any content for that matter). Again, all possible. But it just goes to show that any simple idea has big implications in a solution as comprehensive as OFBiz. We know from experience that unless requirements are fully documented, discussed and reviewed all sorts of problems can occur. This is why everything in BigFish is fully documented, discussed and developer reviewed before any actual development takes place -- it would be impossible to build a viable solution without this discipline. BTW: glad to see that you're keeping an eye out for our BigFish enhancements! Ideas always welcome for improvements! Best Regards, Nick Rosser [hidden email] O: 516.742.7888 x221 C: 516.901.1720 On 5/21/2012 8:50 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Hi Nick: > I agree with you 100%. IMHO it is noteworthy that BigFish does > implement an entirely new UI to expose these functions. > > In my ideal world, I would add to BigFish and build a new application. > This application would, under certain circumstances (these are the > business rules that I mentioned earlier) allow the publish function > (the "button" that sets the active/inactive date) to only "work" when, > for example: > > A valid price exists > There is enough inventory to cover fulfillment > There is at least one image of the correct resolution > The product description or other content has been approved > > Each one of these requirements is driven by a business rule. Right > now, the only way that these business rules are enforced are by the > order of the data entry screens and/or the BigFish product loader. > (BTW, I've had an opportunity to use BigFish recently, so I'm pretty > up-to-date on its features/functions. Nice job!) > > > Best Regards, > Ruth Hoffman > Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC. > http://www.myofbiz.com > http://www.aesolves.com > > On 5/21/12 8:29 AM, Nick Rosser wrote: >> There is also something similar in our BigFish implementation. >> Checkout resources at http://bigfish.salmonllc.com -- in particular >> the Admin Module for one of the demo instances at >> https://bigfish.salmonllc.com:8442/osafe-admin/control/main. The >> Catalog/Product area allows entry of a new product. >> >> We have exposed all aspects of a Product definition for an eComm >> application. Having a "Publish" function would be very easy to >> implement -- it would essentially manage the start/end date. >> >> As is often the case, all the "pieces" are available in OFBiz, just a >> matter of exposing the functionality in a different way. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Nick Rosser >> [hidden email] >> O: 516.742.7888 x221 >> C: 516.901.1720 >> >> >> On 5/21/2012 8:21 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>> Hi Heidi: >>> I started working on something like this a long time ago but got >>> distracted with other projects. I was using the workflow part of the >>> data model to managing the process of creating and publishing a >>> product. My solution was a new "Product Management" application. It >>> didn't require data model changes but rather a completely new UI. >>> (An OFBiz webapp etc. with webpages, events...) >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Ruth Hoffman >>> >>> >>> On 5/21/12 8:04 AM, Info Olagos wrote: >>>> Hi Ruth, >>>> >>>> Yes, i think it is smoother to push one button, than to have to >>>> think to >>>> set every date available in the catalog manager on the right date and >>>> change it afterwards. >>>> But i think in that case database model should change a little bit. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Eric& Heidi >>>> >>>> 2012/5/21 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]> >>>> >>>>> Hi Heidi: >>>>> IMHO, these responses are missing the point and show a total lack of >>>>> understanding surrounding the many and varied business rules behind >>>>> publishing a product catalog. >>>>> >>>>> I think this is a really cool idea and would certainly set OFBiz >>>>> apart >>>>> from any competition. >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Ruth Hoffman >>>>> Owner, Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC >>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/21/12 3:21 AM, Atul Vani wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The solution would be to not add the product to the VIEW_ALLOW >>>>>> category >>>>>> until you are done setting it up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks& Regards >>>>>> Atul Vani >>>>>> Enterprise Software Developer >>>>>> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. >>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ >>>>>> We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and see >>>>>> for >>>>>> yourself. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 05/21/2012 12:47 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to control >>>>>>> visibility in the catalog? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Venkat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info >>>>>>> Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist >>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>> moment, is the following: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a >>>>>>>> certain new >>>>>>>> product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product >>>>>>>> properties, day two you continue with the content part, day >>>>>>>> three you >>>>>>>> continue with the price, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You only publish the new product when you have completed all >>>>>>>> data. So >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So one need a PUBLISH button. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Heidi& Eric >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu<http://**www.olagos.eu/<http://www.olagos.eu/>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>>>> Belgium >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >> |
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In reply to this post by Heidi Dehaes - Olagos
at the first level you can create a "working Catalog" that is not online.
then you can use the copy function to the "live catalog" when ready. so the only thing necessary is a to from list that a import routing can read and do the copies in mass. Info Olagos sent the following on 5/20/2012 11:33 AM: > Hello, > > What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist at the > moment, is the following: > > It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a certain new > product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product > properties, day two you continue with the content part, day three you > continue with the price, etc. > > You only publish the new product when you have completed all data. So the > product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. > > So one need a PUBLISH button. > > I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. > > Regards, > Heidi& Eric > |
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Ruth, Nick,
It might be a possible scenario that someone wants to display the newly setup products in the catalog at any particular date-time, may be at the beginning of a new season or some kinda festival. He would rather process the product data for them in advance, test it and have some trigger mechanism to publish them. This is why a date-time field is required along with the "Publish" button. One may also want to remove the products from the site, and may be want to do that at a specific date-time. So an un-publish button is also required, and that too along with a date-time field. A publish button should be of great help, or alternatively this can also be done by setting a future fromDate/thruDate field for the ProductCategoryMember record, for the VIEW_ALLOW category. Though a product not only needs to be controlled for catalog listing, it might also require to be added/removed from the SEARCH, PURCHASE_ALLOW, NEWLY_ARRIVED kinda categories, depending on the business requirements and it's nature. A catalog manager also requires to deal with such work flow when associating/dissociating products from categories. I believe the current workflow keeps things consistent. Moreover the consistent workflows help in building better understanding about processes and data model. If I were the catalog manager, I would have setup and added the products (which I wish to launch next month), in some category. And then would have set the fromDate for the category's association, with the VIEW_ALLOW category, to the scheduled time. Saves me the trouble of hitting a publish button for every product (assuming the number of products is large here). Should consider this kinda requirements when you add the feature :) Thanks& Regards Atul Vani Enterprise Software Developer HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and see for yourself. On 05/21/2012 06:55 PM, Nick Rosser wrote: > Ruth, > > Yep, all possibilities. As always the simple original request that was > posted "so we need a PUBLISH button" now morphs into something that > gets considerably more complex! > > You mentioned pricing, inventory, image available and approvals (all > good considerations). I would add to this the complexity of Virtual / > Variant product definitions. And the introduced/discontinued date. > > So now we very quickly get into something more complex. What if an > eCommerce client is not using OFBiz inventory (we have clients that > accept orders into their existing ERP solution and manage inventory > from there)? We have yet more clients that want variants with no or > low inventory to be listed -- in their case if that variant is > selected the customer knows it is "out of stock". What if pricing > expires on a certain date (so in a few days there will not be any > pricing available)? And approvals (workflow, who can approve? what if > they are on vacation? multiple levels of approval?) opens up a > complete other aspect of managing products (and any content for that > matter). > > Again, all possible. But it just goes to show that any simple idea has > big implications in a solution as comprehensive as OFBiz. We know from > experience that unless requirements are fully documented, discussed > and reviewed all sorts of problems can occur. This is why everything > in BigFish is fully documented, discussed and developer reviewed > before any actual development takes place -- it would be impossible to > build a viable solution without this discipline. > > BTW: glad to see that you're keeping an eye out for our BigFish > enhancements! Ideas always welcome for improvements! > > Best Regards, > > Nick Rosser > [hidden email] > O: 516.742.7888 x221 > C: 516.901.1720 > > > On 5/21/2012 8:50 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> Hi Nick: >> I agree with you 100%. IMHO it is noteworthy that BigFish does >> implement an entirely new UI to expose these functions. >> >> In my ideal world, I would add to BigFish and build a new >> application. This application would, under certain circumstances >> (these are the business rules that I mentioned earlier) allow the >> publish function (the "button" that sets the active/inactive date) to >> only "work" when, for example: >> >> A valid price exists >> There is enough inventory to cover fulfillment >> There is at least one image of the correct resolution >> The product description or other content has been approved >> >> Each one of these requirements is driven by a business rule. Right >> now, the only way that these business rules are enforced are by the >> order of the data entry screens and/or the BigFish product loader. >> (BTW, I've had an opportunity to use BigFish recently, so I'm pretty >> up-to-date on its features/functions. Nice job!) >> >> >> Best Regards, >> Ruth Hoffman >> Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC. >> http://www.myofbiz.com >> http://www.aesolves.com >> >> On 5/21/12 8:29 AM, Nick Rosser wrote: >>> There is also something similar in our BigFish implementation. >>> Checkout resources at http://bigfish.salmonllc.com -- in particular >>> the Admin Module for one of the demo instances at >>> https://bigfish.salmonllc.com:8442/osafe-admin/control/main. The >>> Catalog/Product area allows entry of a new product. >>> >>> We have exposed all aspects of a Product definition for an eComm >>> application. Having a "Publish" function would be very easy to >>> implement -- it would essentially manage the start/end date. >>> >>> As is often the case, all the "pieces" are available in OFBiz, just >>> a matter of exposing the functionality in a different way. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Nick Rosser >>> [hidden email] >>> O: 516.742.7888 x221 >>> C: 516.901.1720 >>> >>> >>> On 5/21/2012 8:21 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>> Hi Heidi: >>>> I started working on something like this a long time ago but got >>>> distracted with other projects. I was using the workflow part of >>>> the data model to managing the process of creating and publishing a >>>> product. My solution was a new "Product Management" application. It >>>> didn't require data model changes but rather a completely new UI. >>>> (An OFBiz webapp etc. with webpages, events...) >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Ruth Hoffman >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/21/12 8:04 AM, Info Olagos wrote: >>>>> Hi Ruth, >>>>> >>>>> Yes, i think it is smoother to push one button, than to have to >>>>> think to >>>>> set every date available in the catalog manager on the right date and >>>>> change it afterwards. >>>>> But i think in that case database model should change a little bit. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Eric& Heidi >>>>> >>>>> 2012/5/21 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Heidi: >>>>>> IMHO, these responses are missing the point and show a total lack of >>>>>> understanding surrounding the many and varied business rules behind >>>>>> publishing a product catalog. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think this is a really cool idea and would certainly set OFBiz >>>>>> apart >>>>>> from any competition. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> Ruth Hoffman >>>>>> Owner, Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC >>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/21/12 3:21 AM, Atul Vani wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The solution would be to not add the product to the VIEW_ALLOW >>>>>>> category >>>>>>> until you are done setting it up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks& Regards >>>>>>> Atul Vani >>>>>>> Enterprise Software Developer >>>>>>> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. >>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ >>>>>>> We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and >>>>>>> see for >>>>>>> yourself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 05/21/2012 12:47 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to >>>>>>>> control >>>>>>>> visibility in the catalog? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Venkat >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info >>>>>>>> Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't >>>>>>>>> exist at the >>>>>>>>> moment, is the following: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a >>>>>>>>> certain new >>>>>>>>> product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product >>>>>>>>> properties, day two you continue with the content part, day >>>>>>>>> three you >>>>>>>>> continue with the price, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You only publish the new product when you have completed all >>>>>>>>> data. So >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So one need a PUBLISH button. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Heidi& Eric >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu<http://**www.olagos.eu/<http://www.olagos.eu/>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>>>>> Belgium >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>> |
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Hi Atul:
IMO you miss the point. The point is not that these features do or do not exist. We all agree that you can accomplish this task in several different ways using the OOTB Catalog Manager and Content Manager applications. The point IS that the end-user requirement(s) as stated by Heidi and further articulated by Nick are not being met in way that facilitates easy, efficient and secure product management. Best Regards, Ruth Hoffman Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC. http://www.myofbiz.com On 5/22/12 4:09 AM, Atul Vani wrote: > Ruth, Nick, > > It might be a possible scenario that someone wants to display the > newly setup products in the catalog at any particular date-time, may > be at the beginning of a new season or some kinda festival. He would > rather process the product data for them in advance, test it and have > some trigger mechanism to publish them. This is why a date-time field > is required along with the "Publish" button. One may also want to > remove the products from the site, and may be want to do that at a > specific date-time. So an un-publish button is also required, and that > too along with a date-time field. > > A publish button should be of great help, or alternatively this can > also be done by setting a future fromDate/thruDate field for the > ProductCategoryMember record, for the VIEW_ALLOW category. Though a > product not only needs to be controlled for catalog listing, it might > also require to be added/removed from the SEARCH, PURCHASE_ALLOW, > NEWLY_ARRIVED kinda categories, depending on the business requirements > and it's nature. A catalog manager also requires to deal with such > work flow when associating/dissociating products from categories. > I believe the current workflow keeps things consistent. Moreover the > consistent workflows help in building better understanding about > processes and data model. > > If I were the catalog manager, I would have setup and added the > products (which I wish to launch next month), in some category. And > then would have set the fromDate for the category's association, with > the VIEW_ALLOW category, to the scheduled time. Saves me the trouble > of hitting a publish button for every product (assuming the number of > products is large here). > > Should consider this kinda requirements when you add the feature :) > > Thanks& Regards > Atul Vani > Enterprise Software Developer > HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ > We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and see for > yourself. > > > On 05/21/2012 06:55 PM, Nick Rosser wrote: >> Ruth, >> >> Yep, all possibilities. As always the simple original request that >> was posted "so we need a PUBLISH button" now morphs into something >> that gets considerably more complex! >> >> You mentioned pricing, inventory, image available and approvals (all >> good considerations). I would add to this the complexity of Virtual / >> Variant product definitions. And the introduced/discontinued date. >> >> So now we very quickly get into something more complex. What if an >> eCommerce client is not using OFBiz inventory (we have clients that >> accept orders into their existing ERP solution and manage inventory >> from there)? We have yet more clients that want variants with no or >> low inventory to be listed -- in their case if that variant is >> selected the customer knows it is "out of stock". What if pricing >> expires on a certain date (so in a few days there will not be any >> pricing available)? And approvals (workflow, who can approve? what if >> they are on vacation? multiple levels of approval?) opens up a >> complete other aspect of managing products (and any content for that >> matter). >> >> Again, all possible. But it just goes to show that any simple idea >> has big implications in a solution as comprehensive as OFBiz. We know >> from experience that unless requirements are fully documented, >> discussed and reviewed all sorts of problems can occur. This is why >> everything in BigFish is fully documented, discussed and developer >> reviewed before any actual development takes place -- it would be >> impossible to build a viable solution without this discipline. >> >> BTW: glad to see that you're keeping an eye out for our BigFish >> enhancements! Ideas always welcome for improvements! >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Nick Rosser >> [hidden email] >> O: 516.742.7888 x221 >> C: 516.901.1720 >> >> >> On 5/21/2012 8:50 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>> Hi Nick: >>> I agree with you 100%. IMHO it is noteworthy that BigFish does >>> implement an entirely new UI to expose these functions. >>> >>> In my ideal world, I would add to BigFish and build a new >>> application. This application would, under certain circumstances >>> (these are the business rules that I mentioned earlier) allow the >>> publish function (the "button" that sets the active/inactive date) >>> to only "work" when, for example: >>> >>> A valid price exists >>> There is enough inventory to cover fulfillment >>> There is at least one image of the correct resolution >>> The product description or other content has been approved >>> >>> Each one of these requirements is driven by a business rule. Right >>> now, the only way that these business rules are enforced are by the >>> order of the data entry screens and/or the BigFish product loader. >>> (BTW, I've had an opportunity to use BigFish recently, so I'm pretty >>> up-to-date on its features/functions. Nice job!) >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Ruth Hoffman >>> Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC. >>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>> http://www.aesolves.com >>> >>> On 5/21/12 8:29 AM, Nick Rosser wrote: >>>> There is also something similar in our BigFish implementation. >>>> Checkout resources at http://bigfish.salmonllc.com -- in particular >>>> the Admin Module for one of the demo instances at >>>> https://bigfish.salmonllc.com:8442/osafe-admin/control/main. The >>>> Catalog/Product area allows entry of a new product. >>>> >>>> We have exposed all aspects of a Product definition for an eComm >>>> application. Having a "Publish" function would be very easy to >>>> implement -- it would essentially manage the start/end date. >>>> >>>> As is often the case, all the "pieces" are available in OFBiz, just >>>> a matter of exposing the functionality in a different way. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Nick Rosser >>>> [hidden email] >>>> O: 516.742.7888 x221 >>>> C: 516.901.1720 >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/21/2012 8:21 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>> Hi Heidi: >>>>> I started working on something like this a long time ago but got >>>>> distracted with other projects. I was using the workflow part of >>>>> the data model to managing the process of creating and publishing >>>>> a product. My solution was a new "Product Management" application. >>>>> It didn't require data model changes but rather a completely new >>>>> UI. (An OFBiz webapp etc. with webpages, events...) >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Ruth Hoffman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/21/12 8:04 AM, Info Olagos wrote: >>>>>> Hi Ruth, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, i think it is smoother to push one button, than to have to >>>>>> think to >>>>>> set every date available in the catalog manager on the right date >>>>>> and >>>>>> change it afterwards. >>>>>> But i think in that case database model should change a little bit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Eric& Heidi >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/5/21 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Heidi: >>>>>>> IMHO, these responses are missing the point and show a total >>>>>>> lack of >>>>>>> understanding surrounding the many and varied business rules behind >>>>>>> publishing a product catalog. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think this is a really cool idea and would certainly set OFBiz >>>>>>> apart >>>>>>> from any competition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman >>>>>>> Owner, Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC >>>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/21/12 3:21 AM, Atul Vani wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The solution would be to not add the product to the VIEW_ALLOW >>>>>>>> category >>>>>>>> until you are done setting it up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks& Regards >>>>>>>> Atul Vani >>>>>>>> Enterprise Software Developer >>>>>>>> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. >>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ >>>>>>>> We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and >>>>>>>> see for >>>>>>>> yourself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 05/21/2012 12:47 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to >>>>>>>>> control >>>>>>>>> visibility in the catalog? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --Venkat >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info >>>>>>>>> Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't >>>>>>>>>> exist at the >>>>>>>>>> moment, is the following: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a >>>>>>>>>> certain new >>>>>>>>>> product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product >>>>>>>>>> properties, day two you continue with the content part, day >>>>>>>>>> three you >>>>>>>>>> continue with the price, etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You only publish the new product when you have completed all >>>>>>>>>> data. So >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So one need a PUBLISH button. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Heidi& Eric >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu<http://**www.olagos.eu/<http://www.olagos.eu/>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>>>>>> Belgium >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> > |
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Agreed. Agreed that there is a huge list of things that can be made
easier in OFBiz for the end user. But I disagree that the one mentioned is one among them, or is a top ranking at least. My point is that, if I am not missing something, you're considering a very small subset of the requirements that a user can have. I believe, a consistent workflow help the end user to understand the system, and relate things around. Though I don't have much experience of sitting in the end user's chair, so I might be talking as someone form a distant planet :) Please carry on. On 5/22/2012 6:23 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Hi Atul: > > IMO you miss the point. The point is not that these features do or do > not exist. We all agree that you can accomplish this task in several > different ways using the OOTB Catalog Manager and Content Manager > applications. > > The point IS that the end-user requirement(s) as stated by Heidi and > further articulated by Nick are not being met in way that facilitates > easy, efficient and secure product management. > > > Best Regards, > Ruth Hoffman > Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC. > http://www.myofbiz.com > > On 5/22/12 4:09 AM, Atul Vani wrote: >> Ruth, Nick, >> >> It might be a possible scenario that someone wants to display the >> newly setup products in the catalog at any particular date-time, may >> be at the beginning of a new season or some kinda festival. He would >> rather process the product data for them in advance, test it and have >> some trigger mechanism to publish them. This is why a date-time field >> is required along with the "Publish" button. One may also want to >> remove the products from the site, and may be want to do that at a >> specific date-time. So an un-publish button is also required, and >> that too along with a date-time field. >> >> A publish button should be of great help, or alternatively this can >> also be done by setting a future fromDate/thruDate field for the >> ProductCategoryMember record, for the VIEW_ALLOW category. Though a >> product not only needs to be controlled for catalog listing, it might >> also require to be added/removed from the SEARCH, PURCHASE_ALLOW, >> NEWLY_ARRIVED kinda categories, depending on the business >> requirements and it's nature. A catalog manager also requires to deal >> with such work flow when associating/dissociating products from >> categories. >> I believe the current workflow keeps things consistent. Moreover the >> consistent workflows help in building better understanding about >> processes and data model. >> >> If I were the catalog manager, I would have setup and added the >> products (which I wish to launch next month), in some category. And >> then would have set the fromDate for the category's association, with >> the VIEW_ALLOW category, to the scheduled time. Saves me the trouble >> of hitting a publish button for every product (assuming the number of >> products is large here). >> >> Should consider this kinda requirements when you add the feature :) >> >> Thanks& Regards >> Atul Vani >> Enterprise Software Developer >> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ >> We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and see for >> yourself. >> >> >> On 05/21/2012 06:55 PM, Nick Rosser wrote: >>> Ruth, >>> >>> Yep, all possibilities. As always the simple original request that >>> was posted "so we need a PUBLISH button" now morphs into something >>> that gets considerably more complex! >>> >>> You mentioned pricing, inventory, image available and approvals (all >>> good considerations). I would add to this the complexity of Virtual >>> / Variant product definitions. And the introduced/discontinued date. >>> >>> So now we very quickly get into something more complex. What if an >>> eCommerce client is not using OFBiz inventory (we have clients that >>> accept orders into their existing ERP solution and manage inventory >>> from there)? We have yet more clients that want variants with no or >>> low inventory to be listed -- in their case if that variant is >>> selected the customer knows it is "out of stock". What if pricing >>> expires on a certain date (so in a few days there will not be any >>> pricing available)? And approvals (workflow, who can approve? what >>> if they are on vacation? multiple levels of approval?) opens up a >>> complete other aspect of managing products (and any content for that >>> matter). >>> >>> Again, all possible. But it just goes to show that any simple idea >>> has big implications in a solution as comprehensive as OFBiz. We >>> know from experience that unless requirements are fully documented, >>> discussed and reviewed all sorts of problems can occur. This is why >>> everything in BigFish is fully documented, discussed and developer >>> reviewed before any actual development takes place -- it would be >>> impossible to build a viable solution without this discipline. >>> >>> BTW: glad to see that you're keeping an eye out for our BigFish >>> enhancements! Ideas always welcome for improvements! >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Nick Rosser >>> [hidden email] >>> O: 516.742.7888 x221 >>> C: 516.901.1720 >>> >>> >>> On 5/21/2012 8:50 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>> Hi Nick: >>>> I agree with you 100%. IMHO it is noteworthy that BigFish does >>>> implement an entirely new UI to expose these functions. >>>> >>>> In my ideal world, I would add to BigFish and build a new >>>> application. This application would, under certain circumstances >>>> (these are the business rules that I mentioned earlier) allow the >>>> publish function (the "button" that sets the active/inactive date) >>>> to only "work" when, for example: >>>> >>>> A valid price exists >>>> There is enough inventory to cover fulfillment >>>> There is at least one image of the correct resolution >>>> The product description or other content has been approved >>>> >>>> Each one of these requirements is driven by a business rule. Right >>>> now, the only way that these business rules are enforced are by the >>>> order of the data entry screens and/or the BigFish product loader. >>>> (BTW, I've had an opportunity to use BigFish recently, so I'm >>>> pretty up-to-date on its features/functions. Nice job!) >>>> >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Ruth Hoffman >>>> Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC. >>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>> http://www.aesolves.com >>>> >>>> On 5/21/12 8:29 AM, Nick Rosser wrote: >>>>> There is also something similar in our BigFish implementation. >>>>> Checkout resources at http://bigfish.salmonllc.com -- in >>>>> particular the Admin Module for one of the demo instances at >>>>> https://bigfish.salmonllc.com:8442/osafe-admin/control/main. The >>>>> Catalog/Product area allows entry of a new product. >>>>> >>>>> We have exposed all aspects of a Product definition for an eComm >>>>> application. Having a "Publish" function would be very easy to >>>>> implement -- it would essentially manage the start/end date. >>>>> >>>>> As is often the case, all the "pieces" are available in OFBiz, >>>>> just a matter of exposing the functionality in a different way. >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Nick Rosser >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> O: 516.742.7888 x221 >>>>> C: 516.901.1720 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/21/2012 8:21 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>>> Hi Heidi: >>>>>> I started working on something like this a long time ago but got >>>>>> distracted with other projects. I was using the workflow part of >>>>>> the data model to managing the process of creating and publishing >>>>>> a product. My solution was a new "Product Management" >>>>>> application. It didn't require data model changes but rather a >>>>>> completely new UI. (An OFBiz webapp etc. with webpages, events...) >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> Ruth Hoffman >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/21/12 8:04 AM, Info Olagos wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Ruth, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, i think it is smoother to push one button, than to have to >>>>>>> think to >>>>>>> set every date available in the catalog manager on the right >>>>>>> date and >>>>>>> change it afterwards. >>>>>>> But i think in that case database model should change a little bit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Eric& Heidi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2012/5/21 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Heidi: >>>>>>>> IMHO, these responses are missing the point and show a total >>>>>>>> lack of >>>>>>>> understanding surrounding the many and varied business rules >>>>>>>> behind >>>>>>>> publishing a product catalog. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think this is a really cool idea and would certainly set >>>>>>>> OFBiz apart >>>>>>>> from any competition. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman >>>>>>>> Owner, Adaptive Enterprise Solutions, LLC >>>>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/21/12 3:21 AM, Atul Vani wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The solution would be to not add the product to the VIEW_ALLOW >>>>>>>>> category >>>>>>>>> until you are done setting it up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks& Regards >>>>>>>>> Atul Vani >>>>>>>>> Enterprise Software Developer >>>>>>>>> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd. >>>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/ >>>>>>>>> We are the Global Leaders in Apache OFBiz, Google 'ofbiz' and >>>>>>>>> see for >>>>>>>>> yourself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 05/21/2012 12:47 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why don't you use the start date/end date on the product to >>>>>>>>>> control >>>>>>>>>> visibility in the catalog? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --Venkat >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Info >>>>>>>>>> Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>> What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't >>>>>>>>>>> exist at the >>>>>>>>>>> moment, is the following: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a >>>>>>>>>>> certain new >>>>>>>>>>> product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the >>>>>>>>>>> product >>>>>>>>>>> properties, day two you continue with the content part, day >>>>>>>>>>> three you >>>>>>>>>>> continue with the price, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You only publish the new product when you have completed all >>>>>>>>>>> data. So >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So one need a PUBLISH button. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Heidi& Eric >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu<http://**www.olagos.eu/<http://www.olagos.eu/>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>>>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>>>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>>>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>>>>>>> Belgium >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> |
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I have to agree with Ruth on this. System developers tend to forget whom
they are building solutions and enhancements for, or have a different view on problems endusers perceive. What is easy for one can be a cumbersome task for another. Having easy workflows in place helps adoption. Regards, Pierre |
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