"Work in Progress" as product type

[BJ Freeman]

Well there has to be a balance here.
As I stated before, most support is for technical types.
there is no way currently an end user can learn this from the documents,
or mailing list. Hopefully in a few years.
So most users are Technical and the ones that just want to use ofbiz
OOTB (sorry about before) are going to need a technical type on their
team to help them.

There is no way, I have found, that the mailing list can support a
learning process that is detailed enough to bring somebody up to speed
in a short time.
Also there is no way that anyone can bring themselves up to an
Enterprise level software in a short time.
Even if you took the courses there is still learning.

that said there is a lot of work to make ofbiz, user friendly and
intuitive. I see and effort of this going one now.

So the mailing list is more to give hints where to look, so you can go
through the code and figure it out.



brijesh m sent the following on 7/28/2008 12:51 AM:

> Hi David,
>
> David E Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Jul 27, 2008, at 4:59 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> There are a couple of ways to look at this.
>> if someone is benefiting financially from The product, it would seem
>> those same people could share thier knowledge of how the OTTB system  
>> works.
>
> I assume you mean "OOTB" (Out-Of-The-Box) and not OTTB (not sure what  
> that is).
>
> In any case, I may be wrong but I'm not aware of anyone who benefits  
> financially from OFBiz except the end-users of the software, and they  
> only benefit financially if they save on licensing fees or  
> customization effort relative to other options they might have.
>
> Actually, there is one exception I can think of where a company in  
> Canada tried to sell OFBiz pretty must as-is but under a different  
> name. I got some interesting messages from a couple of their ticked  
> off clients...
>
> There are many service providers, but they don't benefit financially  
> from OFBiz itself, they benefit financially from their knowledge of  
> OFBiz. What's worse is that hourly effort is actually required in  
> order to leverage that knowledge to make money, which is difficult to  
> scale and make profitable.
>
> So, don't kid yourself about anyone getting a free ride of some sort  
> based on OFBiz...
>
>
>> This allowing more people to use the system an probably build more
>> customers that want to customize.
>
> Let's be realistic about this...
>
> For each thing someone wants done they either need to do it themselves  
> or get someone else to do it. If you want to learn all about OFBiz and  
> how to manipulate it then doing it yourself and interacting with the  
> community is the way to go. If you want someone else to do it then the  
> community does do you any good, unless the people you get to do the  
> work can effectively collaborate with the community to reduce the  
> overall effort required.
>
> If people aren't willing to dive in and understand whatever they can  
> and ask directed and well-informed questions, they're going to have a  
> hard time with the DIY (do-it-yourself) approach, and will have a hard  
> time interacting with the community.
>
> Anyway who thinks they can get someone else to do it by asking for  
> free work from other community members will probably be disappointed,  
> unless they just happen to have good timing and someone is working on  
> something similar anyway.
>
>> and I think it is fair that the knowledgeable people can also say it
>> does not work that way but contact us and we can work out a deal to  
>> make
>> it work that way.
>
> The DIY approach is perfectly valid, and you'll notice that those who  
> are serious about this approach get a lot of help and support on the  
> mailing list. For everyone else, they're going to have a hard time.
>
> BTW, realistically unless this guy has a fairly sized project and some  
> serious cash there aren't many OFBiz service providers who will be  
> able to help him. It may be a case where the guy is trying to replace  
> a smaller solution for a total budget of like $20k, and chances are  
> unless they are doing really simple stuff and are willing to discover  
> a lot on their own, then OFBiz is not a good solution for them.
>
> Will you elaborate more on this. Whats wrong in discovering a lot  by oneself ? I can explore the things and at the same time discuss it with the community, is anything unethical I am doing. You are getting me wrong I am not compelling anyone to code for me. I just want to share the working knowledge of OFBiz and contribute back if I find something missing which is useful to me.
>
>
>
> Thanks
> Brijesh M.
>
> Back to the topic of earning based on knowledge of OFBiz, but not  
> deriving income from OFBiz itself, that is turning into a great little  
> industry probably topping $100M per year right now (for service  
> providers and end-users I'm aware of to one extent or another anyway,  
> and realistically it's probably a lot bigger), and it's growing  
> rapidly. By sharing with the community and contributing to the project  
> one has the opportunity to demonstrate one's knowledge and experience,  
> and a lot of people do this and make good money because of it, though  
> usually not directly from the people they help through the community.  
> It's a great virtuous circle and lots of people benefit from it who  
> couldn't in other circumstances.
>
> Does everyone get a free implementation of OFBiz or free features  
> added to the project? If only there was a Mark Shuttleworth for OFBiz  
> to make that possible, but until then this is a community-driven  
> project, and unfortunately pretty much everyone in the community has  
> to work for a living, and to be honest it's really working out well  
> that way. The project stays grounded in real world requirements  
> without a lot of "high falootin'" speculative implementation going on.  
> That's something that not many software packages benefit from.
>
> -David
>
>
>
>> David E Jones sent the following on 7/27/2008 12:17 PM:
>>> Community is about taking AND giving and working together to solve
>>> problems and forward. If you want support on your terms, or in other
>>> words you won't accept the many helpful replies already given and  
>>> try to
>>> understand them and the system better, then community may not work  
>>> for you.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:05 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am thinking we are on community....... :)
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman  wrote: sounds like Hot wax has the
>>>> the market cornered.
>>>> guess you got your answer.
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:
>>>>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi BJ,
>>>>>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion  
>>>>>> task
>>>>>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the  
>>>>>> intermediate
>>>>>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some  
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it  
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve  
>>>>>> it ?
>>>>> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to  
>>>>> answer
>>>>> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you  
>>>>> can
>>>>> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their  
>>>>> experiences)
>>>>> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve  
>>>>> better
>>>>> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
>>>>> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work  
>>>>> for...
>>>>> Hotwax Media).
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BJ Freeman  wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>>>>>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>>>>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>>>>>> I think of it this way:
>>>>>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though  
>>>>>>> processes
>>>>>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until  
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> final
>>>>>>> step.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the  
>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>>>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this  
>>>>>>>> product(WIP) was
>>>>>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>        

[BJ Freeman]

The data book Vol 1 is where it was taken from
this lets you atleast under stand the data structure.
for the rest a good place to start is
http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-alphaview.action?key=OFBTECH
and
http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-alphaview.action?key=OFBIZ

vishal gupta sent the following on 7/28/2008 12:19 AM:

> Hello All,
>
> i just want to ask, is there any detailed documentation available for ofbiz.
>
> presently i am exploring in HR module, and its really tough to go over application without documentation.
>
> following i was trying to locate,
> 1. Employee joining,
> 2. Monthly leaves,
> 3. monthly payroll processing,
> 4. time based and performance based incentives,
> 5. taxation documentation as per india if available,
> 6. full and final of employee , etc...
>
> it would be great if i can get any document covering the following,
>
> thanks
> Vishal
>
>
>      
>
>
>

[Ashish Vijaywargiya]

Vishal, Payroll System is place where we can start work on the basis of
Requirements.
Do you have some requirement for your client ?

It would be good if you will propose the requirement in front of Community.


On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:06 PM, vishal gupta <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Thanks Jacques, but do you have any idea of payroll processing, it is
> implemented or not. i am going thru the application and able to create all
> the things needed for HR but not able to find any way to process monthly
> salary.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > From: Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: HR Process
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:15 PM
> > This applications is fairly recent, so I doubt there are
> > much documentation yet. You may find some in user ML
> > though.
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > From: "vishal gupta"
> > <[hidden email]>
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > i just want to ask, is there any detailed
> > documentation available for ofbiz.
> > >
> > > presently i am exploring in HR module, and its really
> > tough to go over application without documentation.
> > >
> > > following i was trying to locate,
> > > 1. Employee joining,
> > > 2. Monthly leaves,
> > > 3. monthly payroll processing,
> > > 4. time based and performance based incentives,
> > > 5. taxation documentation as per india if available,
> > > 6. full and final of employee , etc...
> > >
> > > it would be great if i can get any document covering
> > the following,
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > Vishal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>

--
Ashish Vijaywargiya
Indore (M.P), India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indore

[Jacques Le Roux]

Sorry, no ideas. You will have to look into code...

Jacques

From: "vishal gupta" <[hidden email]>

>
>
> Thanks Jacques, but do you have any idea of payroll processing, it is implemented or not. i am going thru the application and able
> to create all the things needed for HR but not able to find any way to process monthly salary.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> From: Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: HR Process
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:15 PM
>> This applications is fairly recent, so I doubt there are
>> much documentation yet. You may find some in user ML
>> though.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "vishal gupta"
>> <[hidden email]>
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> > i just want to ask, is there any detailed
>> documentation available for ofbiz.
>> >
>> > presently i am exploring in HR module, and its really
>> tough to go over application without documentation.
>> >
>> > following i was trying to locate,
>> > 1. Employee joining,
>> > 2. Monthly leaves,
>> > 3. monthly payroll processing,
>> > 4. time based and performance based incentives,
>> > 5. taxation documentation as per india if available,
>> > 6. full and final of employee , etc...
>> >
>> > it would be great if i can get any document covering
>> the following,
>> >
>> > thanks
>> > Vishal
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
>

[brijesh m]

Hi Vishal,
I am also configuring my HR in OFBiz and the following things I have located so far :
1. Employee joining
you can get t from "Employees" sub tab.

2. Monthly leaves
you can get it from "Leave" sub tab.

3. monthly payroll processing
you can get it from "Employments" sub tab but you have to configure it according to Indian perspective, I am trying to do so please share some thoughts.

4. time based and performance based incentives
you can get it from "Performance Review" sub tab.

Thanks
Brijesh M.


vishal gupta <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello All,

i just want to ask, is there any detailed documentation available for ofbiz.

presently i am exploring in HR module, and its really tough to go over application without documentation.

following i was trying to locate,
1. Employee joining,
2. Monthly leaves,
3. monthly payroll processing,
4. time based and performance based incentives,
5. taxation documentation as per india if available,
6. full and final of employee , etc...

it would be great if i can get any document covering the following,

thanks
Vishal