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You're in Singapore, am I remembering that right Jonathon? Not sure if I'd be so happy there... If I liked lots of rules I'd probably work for a large corporation and stick to a 40 hour week, 30 of which spent on politic-ing. ;) Sometimes it would be nice if my involvement in OFBiz was as a "manager" or a "dictator", even if a benign or benevolent one, but that's really not what this open source project is all about (some, mostly commercial driven ones, are a bit more totalitarian). It's all about collaboration and I don't think top-down management is very healthy for that. I see myself as more of a moderator, just trying to keep things flowing in a reasonable direction and raising red flags when things seem to stray from that (not that I'm always right when I do!). This is one of the reasons why there isn't really an end goal or project plan as there should always be for a traditional organization or product. There has been some discussion about a road map, which I do think would be valuable for all, but not as a top-down management sort of thing, more as a chance for people to collaborate more effectively by communicating what we'd all like to see in the near and distant future for the project. -David On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Jonathon -- Improov wrote: > Haha! Hahaha!! Skip, yeah, you're right. I live in a country so > focused on efficiency, we may actually have some kind of formula > for lawmaker to citizen ratio! We also control the number of > varsity graduates to exactly match market demands. > > With efficiency lessons etched so hard into our skulls, I feel for > David Jones as he tries to manage a world-wide (and tremendously > varied) pool of contributors and contributions. My country is a > socialist republic. Maybe David would be happy here. The phrase > "benign dictator" sounds like such an oxymoron (how to achieve?). > But that seems to be what works, from history's lessons. > > I don't think my government would consider "having more laws (or > lawmakers) than there are citizens to follow them laws". Hmm. Curious. > > Jonathon > > skip@theDevers wrote: >> "So many people, so few lawmakers." Gads Jonathon, you obviously >> don't live >> in the U.S where there are two lawmakers for every citizen! :) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:[hidden email]] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:52 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items >> Certainly inappropriate. There are also many other inappropriate >> (or largely >> missing) parts in >> OFBiz, like EFT handling (different in my part of the world, maybe). >> But we have to consider that we have many cooks (we all want in on >> it), and >> just one soup (OFBiz, >> framework, foundation functionalities). >> I always did wonder why my government doesn't make laws to prevent >> cyclists >> from cycling on >> pedestrian pavements/paths. Well, they did, once. But then, they >> realized >> that not everyone cycles >> at breakneck speeds like me. :) And cycling at crawl speeds on the >> roadsides >> can be terribly scary >> for most folks. So they removed the law. Yeah, they may need to >> make a law >> that fines me for >> cycling on pedestrian paths, just me. :P So many people, so few >> lawmakers. >> Jonathon >> Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>> The more I think about this, it seems inappropriate for an ERP >>> system to >>> allow this. Why would the quick ship service allow a user to >>> charge a >>> customers credit card and "ship" a physical product that the system >>> "knew" was not available? >>> >>> Before charging the card, the sales person would want to confirm >>> that >>> the goods were actually available. Once this was confirmed, it would >>> take a facility worker 30 seconds to adjust the inventory, >>> leaving an >>> audit trail etc. >>> >>> To me this seems like a JIRA issue, which should be fixed. >>> >>> I'll submit the issue and we'll submit a fix. >>> >>> >>> Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>> Well, there ya go! >>>>> >>>>> The quick ship order stuff doesn't check stock levels... >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I should have mentioned that we created a new service to >>>>>> automatically create shipments. It calls quickShipOrder as >>>>>> part of >>>>>> it's processing. >>>>>> -Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>>>> What do you mean by "being created"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There isn't really anything that automatically creates >>>>>>> shipments, >>>>>>> unless a human does it through some UI like the shipment or >>>>>>> packing >>>>>>> screens (or a service or something was written to >>>>>>> automatically do >>>>>>> it somehow). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It appears that shipments are being created with out of stock >>>>>>>> items in an implementation we are doing. I am guessing this >>>>>>>> is due >>>>>>>> to product store settings, not a code issue. >>>>>>>> rev = 545314 >>>>>>>> check inventory=Y >>>>>>>> reserve inventory=Y >>>>>>>> require inventory=N >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All products are finished goods (no digital or virtual) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for any help. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>>>> For ERP Information: >>>>>>>> >> http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ERP_CRM.jsp? >> nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServic >> es >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> >>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>> For ERP Information: >>>>>> >> http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ERP_CRM.jsp? >> nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServic >> es >>>>>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: >> 10/24/2007 2:31 PM > |
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Re: Management style for OFBiz project (was shipments made for out of stock items)
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On Oct 25, 2007, at 12:13 AM, Jonathon -- Improov wrote: > > Not sure if I'd be so happy there... If I liked lots of rules I'd > > probably work for a large corporation and stick to a 40 hour week, > > 30 of which spent on politic-ing. ;) > > We (Singaporeans) would like to believe that we are productive, > constructive. ;) > > Seriously speaking, Singaporean policies and systems have been > quite efficient. Very little politicking. We have good men and > women in management. But yes, we average citizens still complain > that we're not getting enough freedom of movement (and speech) to > exercise our capitalistic ingenuity (not that we actually succeed > when we venture out to Taiwan, China) and our creative streaks. > > The few instances of corruption (like the NKF, charitable > organization, saga) are exceptions. Police or official corruption > is dealt with severely. I think the basic idea is "a hard rod to > maintain strict accountability". > > But I do agree we somehow fall behind places like San Fran in terms > of being a brain magnet. Singapore has made concessions, possibly > attempting to make life here more "colorful", such as by building a > casino (our first!). This country has strict code of morals (not > that we all follow them all, but they do influence us some). We > have no adult superstores here (last I saw). city ;), though not bad). Totalitarian societies are certainly efficient, history is full of that, but not much fun, and not always that just (turn up the knob too high on anything non-deterministic and you'll get lots of false positives). I can only stand being productive for so many hours each day. > Please do come here. :) We need all the brains we can get. > > The whole country is as squeaky clean as downtown in San Fran, or > more so. As for pretty sceneries... we have... tall pretty > buildings. :P Oh well. I'd be happy to visit sometime should the opportunity present itself. Most of my travel has historically been for business, though this year I've dropped from about 3-4 months of travel per year to about 3-4 weeks (and most of that within a couple of hours from here...). > > It's all about collaboration and I don't think top-down management > > is very healthy for that. I see myself as more of a moderator, just > > trying to keep things flowing in a reasonable direction and raising > > red flags when things seem to stray from that (not that I'm always > > right when I do!). > > Ok, then I suppose you like biting your nails and pulling out your > hair quite a bit. :) Always a trade-off between "ease of control" > and "proliferation of ideas". Yes, I suppose that's the point. Fortunately I have not commitments to hit with OFBiz itself, so it can be frustrating to see certain things happen, but not really all that stressful. People will do what they do, but that's part of the beauty. I'd take working on an open source project for free over paid work any day though, WAY for more fun and less stressful (of course doing what you want instead of what someone else wants often is, especially when that other person wanting isn't being very nice). > Good luck handling us humans! I think I'd rather deal with > computers and all their bugs. Well, if any computer has a bug it is a human's fault. They are deterministic after all (except for hardware problems!). It is nice though that because of the determinism any bug can be discovered (sometimes more effort is required than one would like though...). Still, the other side is that everything that exists was designed by a human, nothing is "natural", it is ALL contrived and just piles upon piles of definitions. -David > David E Jones wrote: >> You're in Singapore, am I remembering that right Jonathon? >> Not sure if I'd be so happy there... If I liked lots of rules I'd >> probably work for a large corporation and stick to a 40 hour week, >> 30 of which spent on politic-ing. ;) >> Sometimes it would be nice if my involvement in OFBiz was as a >> "manager" or a "dictator", even if a benign or benevolent one, but >> that's really not what this open source project is all about >> (some, mostly commercial driven ones, are a bit more >> totalitarian). It's all about collaboration and I don't think top- >> down management is very healthy for that. I see myself as more of >> a moderator, just trying to keep things flowing in a reasonable >> direction and raising red flags when things seem to stray from >> that (not that I'm always right when I do!). >> This is one of the reasons why there isn't really an end goal or >> project plan as there should always be for a traditional >> organization or product. There has been some discussion about a >> road map, which I do think would be valuable for all, but not as a >> top-down management sort of thing, more as a chance for people to >> collaborate more effectively by communicating what we'd all like >> to see in the near and distant future for the project. >> -David >> On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Jonathon -- Improov wrote: >>> Haha! Hahaha!! Skip, yeah, you're right. I live in a country so >>> focused on efficiency, we may actually have some kind of formula >>> for lawmaker to citizen ratio! We also control the number of >>> varsity graduates to exactly match market demands. >>> >>> With efficiency lessons etched so hard into our skulls, I feel >>> for David Jones as he tries to manage a world-wide (and >>> tremendously varied) pool of contributors and contributions. My >>> country is a socialist republic. Maybe David would be happy here. >>> The phrase "benign dictator" sounds like such an oxymoron (how to >>> achieve?). But that seems to be what works, from history's lessons. >>> >>> I don't think my government would consider "having more laws (or >>> lawmakers) than there are citizens to follow them laws". Hmm. >>> Curious. >>> >>> Jonathon >>> >>> skip@theDevers wrote: >>>> "So many people, so few lawmakers." Gads Jonathon, you >>>> obviously don't live >>>> in the U.S where there are two lawmakers for every citizen! :) >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:[hidden email]] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:52 PM >>>> To: [hidden email] >>>> Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items >>>> Certainly inappropriate. There are also many other inappropriate >>>> (or largely >>>> missing) parts in >>>> OFBiz, like EFT handling (different in my part of the world, >>>> maybe). >>>> But we have to consider that we have many cooks (we all want in >>>> on it), and >>>> just one soup (OFBiz, >>>> framework, foundation functionalities). >>>> I always did wonder why my government doesn't make laws to >>>> prevent cyclists >>>> from cycling on >>>> pedestrian pavements/paths. Well, they did, once. But then, they >>>> realized >>>> that not everyone cycles >>>> at breakneck speeds like me. :) And cycling at crawl speeds on >>>> the roadsides >>>> can be terribly scary >>>> for most folks. So they removed the law. Yeah, they may need to >>>> make a law >>>> that fines me for >>>> cycling on pedestrian paths, just me. :P So many people, so few >>>> lawmakers. >>>> Jonathon >>>> Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>> The more I think about this, it seems inappropriate for an ERP >>>>> system to >>>>> allow this. Why would the quick ship service allow a user to >>>>> charge a >>>>> customers credit card and "ship" a physical product that the >>>>> system >>>>> "knew" was not available? >>>>> >>>>> Before charging the card, the sales person would want to >>>>> confirm that >>>>> the goods were actually available. Once this was confirmed, it >>>>> would >>>>> take a facility worker 30 seconds to adjust the inventory, >>>>> leaving an >>>>> audit trail etc. >>>>> >>>>> To me this seems like a JIRA issue, which should be fixed. >>>>> >>>>> I'll submit the issue and we'll submit a fix. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>>>> Well, there ya go! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The quick ship order stuff doesn't check stock levels... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I should have mentioned that we created a new service to >>>>>>>> automatically create shipments. It calls quickShipOrder as >>>>>>>> part of >>>>>>>> it's processing. >>>>>>>> -Dave >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "being created"? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There isn't really anything that automatically creates >>>>>>>>> shipments, >>>>>>>>> unless a human does it through some UI like the shipment or >>>>>>>>> packing >>>>>>>>> screens (or a service or something was written to >>>>>>>>> automatically do >>>>>>>>> it somehow). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It appears that shipments are being created with out of stock >>>>>>>>>> items in an implementation we are doing. I am guessing >>>>>>>>>> this is due >>>>>>>>>> to product store settings, not a code issue. >>>>>>>>>> rev = 545314 >>>>>>>>>> check inventory=Y >>>>>>>>>> reserve inventory=Y >>>>>>>>>> require inventory=N >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All products are finished goods (no digital or virtual) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>>>>>> For ERP Information: >>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ERP_CRM.jsp? >>>> nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServic >>>> es >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>>>> For ERP Information: >>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ERP_CRM.jsp? >>>> nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServic >>>> es >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: >>>> 10/24/2007 2:31 PM >>> > |
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Careful, this might degrade into a "where to find adult stores in the USA" topic... Actually, the world not always as it would seem or as many would like it to be. I live in one of the more conservative (not really totalitarian, but frequently intolerant) states, namely Utah, and such things even exist here... though I'm sure not to the extent of other places in the USA, like San Francisco. It's not a bad comparison in general. Governance is governance. While we want to keep things "clean" in OFBiz, I think we also want to be very tolerant. This is often wise, just in case one finds out one was wrong or had limited vision and failed to see the "big picture". Of course, in OFBiz it's not a moral issue but an issue of what some call "best practices" or "business process purity". Some such things certainly exist, but they are hard to define in terms of the innumerable varieties of business structures and processes that are perfectly legal and valid. -David On Oct 25, 2007, at 3:09 AM, Jonathon -- Improov wrote: > Oh, good to know! But I saw some in Arizona too. Definitely Nevada. > Maybe not Oregon or mid west. > > Jonathon > > skip@theDevers wrote: >> "adult superstores". Only in San Fran. Come to most places in >> the U.S. and >> they would be burned inside of 10 days of opening. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:[hidden email]] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:14 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: Management style for OFBiz project (was shipments >> made for >> out of stock items) >> > You're in Singapore, am I remembering that right Jonathon? >> Yup. > |
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