Board Report (draft) for OFBiz

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
Please review,

http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-09+DRAFT

Jacopo

[Ashish Vijaywargiya]

"Projectmgr" component is not added recently.
Only "MyPage" is the component that has been added recently.

Is Projectmgr included in this report because it has not been included in
previous reports ?

--
Ashish Vijaywargiya
Indore (M.P), India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indore




On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
> Please review,
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-09+DRAFT
>
> Jacopo
>
>

[Adrian Crum]

+1

Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
> Please review,
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-09+DRAFT
>
> Jacopo
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

The last report was in June... I think the component has been added  
later, but not really sure.

Jacopo



On Sep 9, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:

> "Projectmgr" component is not added recently.
> Only "MyPage" is the component that has been added recently.
>
> Is Projectmgr included in this report because it has not been  
> included in
> previous reports ?
>
> --
> Ashish Vijaywargiya
> Indore (M.P), India
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indore
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
>> Please review,
>>
>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-09+DRAFT
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>

[David E Jones]

Thanks for doing that Jacopo. I'll take a look at it soon too. We  
still have a bit of time before have to submit it, but thanks for  
getting a head start and helping out.

-David


On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:56 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
> Please review,
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-09+DRAFT
>
> Jacopo
>

[Ashish Vijaywargiya]

Projectmgr component is more then one year old.
Here is the last revision number that present in my mail box :- r542501
Contents of that commit is shown below (Please see the date of this
commit.).

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Author: jacopoc
Date: Tue May 29 05:28:21 2007
New Revision: 542501

URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=rev&rev=542501
Log:
Removed reference to a non existent resource.

Modified:
   ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml

Modified: ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/
ofbiz-component.xml?view=diff&rev=542501&r1=542500&r2=542501
==============================================================================
--- ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml (original)
+++ ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml Tue May 29
05:28:21 2007
@@ -26,8 +26,6 @@
    <classpath type="dir" location="config"/>
    <classpath type="jar" location="build/lib/*"/>

-    <service-resource type="model" loader="main"
location="servicedef/services.xml"/>
-
    <webapp name="projectmgr"
        title="Project"
        server="default-server"


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

--
Ashish Vijaywargiya
Indore (M.P), India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indore




On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:18 PM, David E Jones <[hidden email]>wrote:

>
> Thanks for doing that Jacopo. I'll take a look at it soon too. We still
> have a bit of time before have to submit it, but thanks for getting a head
> start and helping out.
>
> -David
>
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:56 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>  This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
>> Please review,
>>
>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-09+DRAFT
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

Thanks Ashish, you are right and I have changed the report accordingly.

Jacopo

On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:

> Projectmgr component is more then one year old.
> Here is the last revision number that present in my mail box :-  
> r542501
> Contents of that commit is shown below (Please see the date of this
> commit.).
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Author: jacopoc
> Date: Tue May 29 05:28:21 2007
> New Revision: 542501
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=rev&rev=542501
> Log:
> Removed reference to a non existent resource.
>
> Modified:
>   ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml
>
> Modified: ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/
> ofbiz-component.xml?view=diff&rev=542501&r1=542500&r2=542501
> =
> =
> =
> =
> =
> =
> =
> =
> ======================================================================
> --- ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml  
> (original)
> +++ ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml Tue  
> May 29
> 05:28:21 2007
> @@ -26,8 +26,6 @@
>    <classpath type="dir" location="config"/>
>    <classpath type="jar" location="build/lib/*"/>
>
> -    <service-resource type="model" loader="main"
> location="servicedef/services.xml"/>
> -
>    <webapp name="projectmgr"
>        title="Project"
>        server="default-server"
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
> Ashish Vijaywargiya
> Indore (M.P), India
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indore
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:18 PM, David E Jones  
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for doing that Jacopo. I'll take a look at it soon too. We  
>> still
>> have a bit of time before have to submit it, but thanks for getting  
>> a head
>> start and helping out.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:56 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>
>> This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
>>> Please review,
>>>
>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report 
>>> +2008-09+DRAFT
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>

[Jacques Le Roux]

+1, so far...

Jacques

PS : Jacopo always this dichotomy between your sending and certificate email address ;o)

From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>

> Thanks Ashish, you are right and I have changed the report accordingly.
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
>
>> Projectmgr component is more then one year old.
>> Here is the last revision number that present in my mail box :-  
>> r542501
>> Contents of that commit is shown below (Please see the date of this
>> commit.).
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Author: jacopoc
>> Date: Tue May 29 05:28:21 2007
>> New Revision: 542501
>>
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=rev&rev=542501
>> Log:
>> Removed reference to a non existent resource.
>>
>> Modified:
>>   ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml
>>
>> Modified: ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/
>> ofbiz-component.xml?view=diff&rev=542501&r1=542500&r2=542501
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> ======================================================================
>> --- ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml  
>> (original)
>> +++ ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr/ofbiz-component.xml Tue  
>> May 29
>> 05:28:21 2007
>> @@ -26,8 +26,6 @@
>>    <classpath type="dir" location="config"/>
>>    <classpath type="jar" location="build/lib/*"/>
>>
>> -    <service-resource type="model" loader="main"
>> location="servicedef/services.xml"/>
>> -
>>    <webapp name="projectmgr"
>>        title="Project"
>>        server="default-server"
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> --
>> Ashish Vijaywargiya
>> Indore (M.P), India
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indore
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:18 PM, David E Jones  
>> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for doing that Jacopo. I'll take a look at it soon too. We  
>>> still
>>> have a bit of time before have to submit it, but thanks for getting  
>>> a head
>>> start and helping out.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:56 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
>>>> Please review,
>>>>
>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report 
>>>> +2008-09+DRAFT
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> PS : Jacopo always this dichotomy between your sending and  
> certificate email address ;o)

I am really sorry Jacques, but I have double checked it and the  
certificate seems valid for a few of my email addresses, including [hidden email]

Could it be an issue of the mail client you are using (that only  
compare the email to the first in the list of emails in the  
certificate)?

I can turn off digital cert signing... but it is a bit of a pain, but  
I will do if this is really annoying.

Jacopo

[Jacques Le Roux]

From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>

>
> On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> PS : Jacopo always this dichotomy between your sending and  
>> certificate email address ;o)
>
> I am really sorry Jacques, but I have double checked it and the  
> certificate seems valid for a few of my email addresses, including [hidden email]
>
> Could it be an issue of the mail client you are using (that only  
> compare the email to the first in the list of emails in the  
> certificate)?
>
> I can turn off digital cert signing... but it is a bit of a pain, but  
> I will do if this is really annoying.
>
> Jacopo

I will double check as I'm using Outlook Express and did not know that you certified more than one email addresses.
Maybe OE is even not able to deal with such situation :/
In this case simply forget it and sorry for the harassment.

Jacques

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

On Sep 9, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
> I will double check as I'm using Outlook Express and did not know  
> that you certified more than one email addresses. Maybe OE is even  
> not able to deal with such situation :/ In this case simply forget  
> it and sorry for the harassment.
>
> Jacques

No problem, actually OE is very famous and it may be an issue for a  
lot of users, not just you (unless this is an issue limited to a  
specific release/version)...

Jacopo

[Jacques Le Roux]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Board Report (draft) for OFBiz

> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> PS : Jacopo always this dichotomy between your sending and  
>>> certificate email address ;o)
>>
>> I am really sorry Jacques, but I have double checked it and the  
>> certificate seems valid for a few of my email addresses, including [hidden email]
>>
>> Could it be an issue of the mail client you are using (that only  
>> compare the email to the first in the list of emails in the  
>> certificate)?
>>
>> I can turn off digital cert signing... but it is a bit of a pain, but  
>> I will do if this is really annoying.
>>
>> Jacopo
>
>
> I will double check as I'm using Outlook Express and did not know that you certified more than one email addresses.
> Maybe OE is even not able to deal with such situation :/
> In this case simply forget it and sorry for the harassment.

Forget it, I'm pretty sure now
https://www.thawte.com/ssl-digital-certificates/technical-support/email/myaccount.html#faq12
It's ok with me anyway

Jacques


>
> Jacques
>

[BJ Freeman]

I have not seen any messages from Jacopo  since 9/5, on the dev list.
the only way I know he sent any is that someone replied to him.
I have OpenPGP on my client (firefox) but that should only effect my
reading the message not receiving it.
I checked my mail server and it shows no reciept or attempt at recieving
email from Jacopo.


Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/9/2008 9:23 AM:

> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> PS : Jacopo always this dichotomy between your sending and
>>> certificate email address ;o)
>>
>> I am really sorry Jacques, but I have double checked it and the
>> certificate seems valid for a few of my email addresses, including
>> [hidden email]
>>
>> Could it be an issue of the mail client you are using (that only
>> compare the email to the first in the list of emails in the
>> certificate)?
>>
>> I can turn off digital cert signing... but it is a bit of a pain, but
>> I will do if this is really annoying.
>>
>> Jacopo
>
>
> I will double check as I'm using Outlook Express and did not know that
> you certified more than one email addresses. Maybe OE is even not able
> to deal with such situation :/ In this case simply forget it and sorry
> for the harassment.
>
> Jacques
>
>
>

[David E Jones]

Thanks again for working on this Jacopo. I made some edits and added a few little comments, and I can't think of
anything else to put in there, so to me that means it's ready to submit. ;)

Comments and informal votes are welcome. I'll submit this later today or tomorrow.

-David


Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
> Please review,
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-09+DRAFT
>
> Jacopo
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

+1

From: "David E. Jones" <[hidden email]>

>
> Thanks again for working on this Jacopo. I made some edits and added a few little comments, and I can't think of
> anything else to put in there, so to me that means it's ready to submit. ;)
>
> Comments and informal votes are welcome. I'll submit this later today or tomorrow.
>
> -David
>
>
> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
>> Please review,
>>
>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-09+DRAFT
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>

[Shi Yusen]

David,

Great to know your guys have more and more consulting business!

Then, should there be a rule/promise to control the time split of
commitors? 50:50? I think customers can understand such conditions.

Regards,

Shi Yusen/Beijing Langhua Ltd.

在 2008-09-12五的 09:59 -0600，David E. Jones写道：

> Thanks again for working on this Jacopo. I made some edits and added a few little comments, and I can't think of
> anything else to put in there, so to me that means it's ready to submit. ;)
>
> Comments and informal votes are welcome. I'll submit this later today or tomorrow.
>
> -David
>
>
> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> > This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
> > Please review,
> >
> > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-09+DRAFT
> >
> > Jacopo
> >

[David E Jones]

On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:24 AM, Shi Yusen wrote:

> David,
>
> Great to know your guys have more and more consulting business!

Well, I wasn't actually referring to the business I'm involved in, but  
rather a more general trend, based on a notice of how certain people  
have been notably absent from participation in the last few months who  
were significantly more active before.

> Then, should there be a rule/promise to control the time split of
> commitors? 50:50? I think customers can understand such conditions.

Have you really thought this through?

First off, how would the open source project enforce such a rule? Or  
if you meant for a business to self impose the rule, why would they?

Second, how could a consulting company remain profitable after  
throwing away 50% of its potential profits? That may be possible in  
China selling to US/EU/etc where wages are typically low locally and  
hourly fees have less downward price pressure, but that's not true in  
the USA. For the business I'm involved in, and every consulting  
business I've ever been involved in, the profit percentage is not even  
near 50%, and during periods of growth with significant investments in  
training usually the profit percentage is in the uncomfortable single  
digit range. In other words, taking out 50% of potential profits would  
generally cause the business to hit bankruptcy as soon as cash  
reserves are consumed by the large monthly losses (and most smaller  
and newer services businesses, like most of the ones around OFBiz)  
also don't have large cash reserves. In other words, a policy like  
this would kill a company within a few months. If OFBiz as an open  
source project were somehow to enforce such a policy it would destroy  
all services companies within a few months, and the open source  
project would be a ghost town a few months after.

In general most contributions coming into OFBiz are the result of the  
need of an end-user company. The way they become part of OFBiz is that  
either the employees or contractors helping the end-user company make  
it a priority to develop in such a way that as much as possible can be  
contributed to OFBiz. What this usually means is using a combination  
of generic and configurable features going into the open source  
project, and then customizations and configurations used to bridge the  
last gap between what newly exists in the open source project, and  
what the client actually needs.

In other words, most functionality comes from paying work, and not  
from people guessing about new features, then implementing and  
contributing them out of good will. Also, most good functionality is  
driven by real-world requirements that someone is willing to pay for,  
and most of the stuff people develop by guessing about what is needed  
end up being useless and eventually eliminated from the project (I  
know this from hundreds of thousands of lines of my own work turning  
out to be useless, and most of that is long gone from the project!).

So no, this policy would not be good for any service provider  
business, or for the open source project.

The best policy for service provider companies and end-user company  
employees working on OFBiz is to make contributions back to the open  
source project a priority, and use some of the techniques I mentioned  
above to facilitate this and make more of it possible and even natural.

-David

> 在 2008-09-12五的 09:59 -0600，David E. Jones写道：
>> Thanks again for working on this Jacopo. I made some edits and  
>> added a few little comments, and I can't think of
>> anything else to put in there, so to me that means it's ready to  
>> submit. ;)
>>
>> Comments and informal votes are welcome. I'll submit this later  
>> today or tomorrow.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>> This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
>>> Please review,
>>>
>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report 
>>> +2008-09+DRAFT
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>

[Shi Yusen]

Oh, I see. You're right. Contributing back some common functions is
great.:)


在 2008-09-13六的 08:37 -0600，David E Jones写道：

> On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:24 AM, Shi Yusen wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > Great to know your guys have more and more consulting business!
>
> Well, I wasn't actually referring to the business I'm involved in, but  
> rather a more general trend, based on a notice of how certain people  
> have been notably absent from participation in the last few months who  
> were significantly more active before.
>
> > Then, should there be a rule/promise to control the time split of
> > commitors? 50:50? I think customers can understand such conditions.
>
> Have you really thought this through?
>
> First off, how would the open source project enforce such a rule? Or  
> if you meant for a business to self impose the rule, why would they?
>
> Second, how could a consulting company remain profitable after  
> throwing away 50% of its potential profits? That may be possible in  
> China selling to US/EU/etc where wages are typically low locally and  
> hourly fees have less downward price pressure, but that's not true in  
> the USA. For the business I'm involved in, and every consulting  
> business I've ever been involved in, the profit percentage is not even  
> near 50%, and during periods of growth with significant investments in  
> training usually the profit percentage is in the uncomfortable single  
> digit range. In other words, taking out 50% of potential profits would  
> generally cause the business to hit bankruptcy as soon as cash  
> reserves are consumed by the large monthly losses (and most smaller  
> and newer services businesses, like most of the ones around OFBiz)  
> also don't have large cash reserves. In other words, a policy like  
> this would kill a company within a few months. If OFBiz as an open  
> source project were somehow to enforce such a policy it would destroy  
> all services companies within a few months, and the open source  
> project would be a ghost town a few months after.
>
> In general most contributions coming into OFBiz are the result of the  
> need of an end-user company. The way they become part of OFBiz is that  
> either the employees or contractors helping the end-user company make  
> it a priority to develop in such a way that as much as possible can be  
> contributed to OFBiz. What this usually means is using a combination  
> of generic and configurable features going into the open source  
> project, and then customizations and configurations used to bridge the  
> last gap between what newly exists in the open source project, and  
> what the client actually needs.
>
> In other words, most functionality comes from paying work, and not  
> from people guessing about new features, then implementing and  
> contributing them out of good will. Also, most good functionality is  
> driven by real-world requirements that someone is willing to pay for,  
> and most of the stuff people develop by guessing about what is needed  
> end up being useless and eventually eliminated from the project (I  
> know this from hundreds of thousands of lines of my own work turning  
> out to be useless, and most of that is long gone from the project!).
>
> So no, this policy would not be good for any service provider  
> business, or for the open source project.
>
> The best policy for service provider companies and end-user company  
> employees working on OFBiz is to make contributions back to the open  
> source project a priority, and use some of the techniques I mentioned  
> above to facilitate this and make more of it possible and even natural.
>
> -David
>
>
> > 在 2008-09-12五的 09:59 -0600，David E. Jones写道：
> >> Thanks again for working on this Jacopo. I made some edits and  
> >> added a few little comments, and I can't think of
> >> anything else to put in there, so to me that means it's ready to  
> >> submit. ;)
> >>
> >> Comments and informal votes are welcome. I'll submit this later  
> >> today or tomorrow.
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
> >>
> >> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> >>> This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
> >>> Please review,
> >>>
> >>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report 
> >>> +2008-09+DRAFT
> >>>
> >>> Jacopo
> >>>
> >
>

+1

Marco


Thanks again for working on this Jacopo. I made some edits and added a few little comments, and I can't think of anything else to put in there, so to me that means it's ready to submit. ;)

Comments and informal votes are welcome. I'll submit this later today or tomorrow.

-David


Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
This is a draft for the Board Report for OFBiz, due this month.
Please review,
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-09+DRAFT
Jacopo