Out of curiosity today I ran a couple of simple tests using JUEL's
numeric expressions and the results are a bit worrying, here's some example code: <set field="value1" value="0.0001" type="BigDecimal"/> <set field="value2" value="10" type="BigDecimal"/> <set field="resultValue" value="${value1 / value2}" type="BigDecimal"/> <log level="always" message="${resultValue}"></log> and here are some example results: 0.0001 / 10 = 0 10 / 3 = 3 10.89879 + 6.8978336 = 17.797 10.89879 * 6.8978336 = 75.178 10 - 2.5001 = 7.5 I don't have time right this minute to fix it so just reporting here so people are aware. Adrian, I'm not asking you to fix it but if you have any pointers or suggestions they'd be most welcome. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com smime.p7s (3K) Download Attachment |
I don't know much about UEL but did run into a rounding issue.
I chose to instead use <calculate> so I could control precision. Vince Clark www.globalera.com [hidden email] (303) 493-6723 office (303) 523-4843 cell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:27:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: JUEL rounding issues Out of curiosity today I ran a couple of simple tests using JUEL's numeric expressions and the results are a bit worrying, here's some example code: <set field="value1" value="0.0001" type="BigDecimal"/> <set field="value2" value="10" type="BigDecimal"/> <set field="resultValue" value="${value1 / value2}" type="BigDecimal"/> <log level="always" message="${resultValue}"></log> and here are some example results: 0.0001 / 10 = 0 10 / 3 = 3 10.89879 + 6.8978336 = 17.797 10.89879 * 6.8978336 = 75.178 10 - 2.5001 = 7.5 I don't have time right this minute to fix it so just reporting here so people are aware. Adrian, I'm not asking you to fix it but if you have any pointers or suggestions they'd be most welcome. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com |
That is one solution but it would be nice to fix JUEL. By the way I
just had quick look at the calculate method and if you don't set a decimal-scale then 2 is used which seems a bit of a worry as well. Regards Scott On 10/09/2009, at 7:34 PM, Vince Clark wrote: > I don't know much about UEL but did run into a rounding issue. > > I chose to instead use <calculate> so I could control precision. > > Vince Clark > www.globalera.com > [hidden email] > (303) 493-6723 office > (303) 523-4843 cell > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:27:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada > Mountain > Subject: JUEL rounding issues > > Out of curiosity today I ran a couple of simple tests using JUEL's > numeric expressions and the results are a bit worrying, here's some > example code: > <set field="value1" value="0.0001" type="BigDecimal"/> > <set field="value2" value="10" type="BigDecimal"/> > <set field="resultValue" value="${value1 / value2}" > type="BigDecimal"/> > <log level="always" message="${resultValue}"></log> > > and here are some example results: > 0.0001 / 10 = 0 > 10 / 3 = 3 > 10.89879 + 6.8978336 = 17.797 > 10.89879 * 6.8978336 = 75.178 > 10 - 2.5001 = 7.5 > > I don't have time right this minute to fix it so just reporting here > so people are aware. Adrian, I'm not asking you to fix it but if you > have any pointers or suggestions they'd be most welcome. > > Regards > Scott > > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > smime.p7s (3K) Download Attachment |
Yes the default is too small if precision is an issue. But at least you have control over it.
Vince Clark www.globalera.com [hidden email] (303) 493-6723 office (303) 523-4843 cell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:41:58 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: JUEL rounding issues That is one solution but it would be nice to fix JUEL. By the way I just had quick look at the calculate method and if you don't set a decimal-scale then 2 is used which seems a bit of a worry as well. Regards Scott On 10/09/2009, at 7:34 PM, Vince Clark wrote: > I don't know much about UEL but did run into a rounding issue. > > I chose to instead use <calculate> so I could control precision. > > Vince Clark > www.globalera.com > [hidden email] > (303) 493-6723 office > (303) 523-4843 cell > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:27:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada > Mountain > Subject: JUEL rounding issues > > Out of curiosity today I ran a couple of simple tests using JUEL's > numeric expressions and the results are a bit worrying, here's some > example code: > <set field="value1" value="0.0001" type="BigDecimal"/> > <set field="value2" value="10" type="BigDecimal"/> > <set field="resultValue" value="${value1 / value2}" > type="BigDecimal"/> > <log level="always" message="${resultValue}"></log> > > and here are some example results: > 0.0001 / 10 = 0 > 10 / 3 = 3 > 10.89879 + 6.8978336 = 17.797 > 10.89879 * 6.8978336 = 75.178 > 10 - 2.5001 = 7.5 > > I don't have time right this minute to fix it so just reporting here > so people are aware. Adrian, I'm not asking you to fix it but if you > have any pointers or suggestions they'd be most welcome. > > Regards > Scott > > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > |
I would prefer it if no rounding occurs anywhere, there's really only
two places it needs to occur: 1. For division (even then only when the result would cause infinite precision e.g. 10 / 3) 2. When you're ready to arrive at the final result in a series of calculations Regards Scott On 10/09/2009, at 7:47 PM, Vince Clark wrote: > Yes the default is too small if precision is an issue. But at least > you have control over it. > > > > Vince Clark > www.globalera.com > [hidden email] > (303) 493-6723 office > (303) 523-4843 cell > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:41:58 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada > Mountain > Subject: Re: JUEL rounding issues > > That is one solution but it would be nice to fix JUEL. By the way I > just had quick look at the calculate method and if you don't set a > decimal-scale then 2 is used which seems a bit of a worry as well. > > Regards > Scott > > On 10/09/2009, at 7:34 PM, Vince Clark wrote: > >> I don't know much about UEL but did run into a rounding issue. >> >> I chose to instead use <calculate> so I could control precision. >> >> Vince Clark >> www.globalera.com >> [hidden email] >> (303) 493-6723 office >> (303) 523-4843 cell >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:27:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada >> Mountain >> Subject: JUEL rounding issues >> >> Out of curiosity today I ran a couple of simple tests using JUEL's >> numeric expressions and the results are a bit worrying, here's some >> example code: >> <set field="value1" value="0.0001" type="BigDecimal"/> >> <set field="value2" value="10" type="BigDecimal"/> >> <set field="resultValue" value="${value1 / value2}" >> type="BigDecimal"/> >> <log level="always" message="${resultValue}"></log> >> >> and here are some example results: >> 0.0001 / 10 = 0 >> 10 / 3 = 3 >> 10.89879 + 6.8978336 = 17.797 >> 10.89879 * 6.8978336 = 75.178 >> 10 - 2.5001 = 7.5 >> >> I don't have time right this minute to fix it so just reporting here >> so people are aware. Adrian, I'm not asking you to fix it but if you >> have any pointers or suggestions they'd be most welcome. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> HotWax Media >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> > smime.p7s (3K) Download Attachment |
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Jacques From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> >I would prefer it if no rounding occurs anywhere, there's really only > two places it needs to occur: > 1. For division (even then only when the result would cause infinite > precision e.g. 10 / 3) > 2. When you're ready to arrive at the final result in a series of > calculations > > Regards > Scott > > On 10/09/2009, at 7:47 PM, Vince Clark wrote: > >> Yes the default is too small if precision is an issue. But at least >> you have control over it. >> >> >> >> Vince Clark >> www.globalera.com >> [hidden email] >> (303) 493-6723 office >> (303) 523-4843 cell >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:41:58 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada >> Mountain >> Subject: Re: JUEL rounding issues >> >> That is one solution but it would be nice to fix JUEL. By the way I >> just had quick look at the calculate method and if you don't set a >> decimal-scale then 2 is used which seems a bit of a worry as well. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 10/09/2009, at 7:34 PM, Vince Clark wrote: >> >>> I don't know much about UEL but did run into a rounding issue. >>> >>> I chose to instead use <calculate> so I could control precision. >>> >>> Vince Clark >>> www.globalera.com >>> [hidden email] >>> (303) 493-6723 office >>> (303) 523-4843 cell >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:27:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada >>> Mountain >>> Subject: JUEL rounding issues >>> >>> Out of curiosity today I ran a couple of simple tests using JUEL's >>> numeric expressions and the results are a bit worrying, here's some >>> example code: >>> <set field="value1" value="0.0001" type="BigDecimal"/> >>> <set field="value2" value="10" type="BigDecimal"/> >>> <set field="resultValue" value="${value1 / value2}" >>> type="BigDecimal"/> >>> <log level="always" message="${resultValue}"></log> >>> >>> and here are some example results: >>> 0.0001 / 10 = 0 >>> 10 / 3 = 3 >>> 10.89879 + 6.8978336 = 17.797 >>> 10.89879 * 6.8978336 = 75.178 >>> 10 - 2.5001 = 7.5 >>> >>> I don't have time right this minute to fix it so just reporting here >>> so people are aware. Adrian, I'm not asking you to fix it but if you >>> have any pointers or suggestions they'd be most welcome. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> HotWax Media >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> >> > > |
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There is one other very general case I can think of: When you do a floating point multiply or divide you can get some pretty crazy numbers if you don't round. The solution is to do fixed point math, but even then for currency you can do a multiplication and get more digits that the 2 normally desired (unless you are doing certain things like tax calculations where you want 3 digits for the interim values and round to 2 digits after the interim values are added together). -David On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:56 AM, Scott Gray wrote: > I would prefer it if no rounding occurs anywhere, there's really > only two places it needs to occur: > 1. For division (even then only when the result would cause > infinite precision e.g. 10 / 3) > 2. When you're ready to arrive at the final result in a series of > calculations > > Regards > Scott > > On 10/09/2009, at 7:47 PM, Vince Clark wrote: > >> Yes the default is too small if precision is an issue. But at least >> you have control over it. >> >> >> >> Vince Clark >> www.globalera.com >> [hidden email] >> (303) 493-6723 office >> (303) 523-4843 cell >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:41:58 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada >> Mountain >> Subject: Re: JUEL rounding issues >> >> That is one solution but it would be nice to fix JUEL. By the way I >> just had quick look at the calculate method and if you don't set a >> decimal-scale then 2 is used which seems a bit of a worry as well. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 10/09/2009, at 7:34 PM, Vince Clark wrote: >> >>> I don't know much about UEL but did run into a rounding issue. >>> >>> I chose to instead use <calculate> so I could control precision. >>> >>> Vince Clark >>> www.globalera.com >>> [hidden email] >>> (303) 493-6723 office >>> (303) 523-4843 cell >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:27:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada >>> Mountain >>> Subject: JUEL rounding issues >>> >>> Out of curiosity today I ran a couple of simple tests using JUEL's >>> numeric expressions and the results are a bit worrying, here's some >>> example code: >>> <set field="value1" value="0.0001" type="BigDecimal"/> >>> <set field="value2" value="10" type="BigDecimal"/> >>> <set field="resultValue" value="${value1 / value2}" >>> type="BigDecimal"/> >>> <log level="always" message="${resultValue}"></log> >>> >>> and here are some example results: >>> 0.0001 / 10 = 0 >>> 10 / 3 = 3 >>> 10.89879 + 6.8978336 = 17.797 >>> 10.89879 * 6.8978336 = 75.178 >>> 10 - 2.5001 = 7.5 >>> >>> I don't have time right this minute to fix it so just reporting here >>> so people are aware. Adrian, I'm not asking you to fix it but if >>> you >>> have any pointers or suggestions they'd be most welcome. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> HotWax Media >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> >> > |
Crazy numbers are only a problem for final values though right? Take
a basic tax calc for example: quantity * price = interim value (no rounding) interim value * tax rate = final value (rounded 3dp, displayed to user and stored in db) Regards Scott On 10/09/2009, at 9:35 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > There is one other very general case I can think of: When you do a > floating point multiply or divide you can get some pretty crazy > numbers if you don't round. The solution is to do fixed point math, > but even then for currency you can do a multiplication and get more > digits that the 2 normally desired (unless you are doing certain > things like tax calculations where you want 3 digits for the interim > values and round to 2 digits after the interim values are added > together). > > -David > > > On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:56 AM, Scott Gray wrote: > >> I would prefer it if no rounding occurs anywhere, there's really >> only two places it needs to occur: >> 1. For division (even then only when the result would cause >> infinite precision e.g. 10 / 3) >> 2. When you're ready to arrive at the final result in a series of >> calculations >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 10/09/2009, at 7:47 PM, Vince Clark wrote: >> >>> Yes the default is too small if precision is an issue. But at >>> least you have control over it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Vince Clark >>> www.globalera.com >>> [hidden email] >>> (303) 493-6723 office >>> (303) 523-4843 cell >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:41:58 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada >>> Mountain >>> Subject: Re: JUEL rounding issues >>> >>> That is one solution but it would be nice to fix JUEL. By the way I >>> just had quick look at the calculate method and if you don't set a >>> decimal-scale then 2 is used which seems a bit of a worry as well. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> On 10/09/2009, at 7:34 PM, Vince Clark wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know much about UEL but did run into a rounding issue. >>>> >>>> I chose to instead use <calculate> so I could control precision. >>>> >>>> Vince Clark >>>> www.globalera.com >>>> [hidden email] >>>> (303) 493-6723 office >>>> (303) 523-4843 cell >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> >>>> To: [hidden email] >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:27:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada >>>> Mountain >>>> Subject: JUEL rounding issues >>>> >>>> Out of curiosity today I ran a couple of simple tests using JUEL's >>>> numeric expressions and the results are a bit worrying, here's some >>>> example code: >>>> <set field="value1" value="0.0001" type="BigDecimal"/> >>>> <set field="value2" value="10" type="BigDecimal"/> >>>> <set field="resultValue" value="${value1 / value2}" >>>> type="BigDecimal"/> >>>> <log level="always" message="${resultValue}"></log> >>>> >>>> and here are some example results: >>>> 0.0001 / 10 = 0 >>>> 10 / 3 = 3 >>>> 10.89879 + 6.8978336 = 17.797 >>>> 10.89879 * 6.8978336 = 75.178 >>>> 10 - 2.5001 = 7.5 >>>> >>>> I don't have time right this minute to fix it so just reporting >>>> here >>>> so people are aware. Adrian, I'm not asking you to fix it but if >>>> you >>>> have any pointers or suggestions they'd be most welcome. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> HotWax Media >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>> >>> >> > smime.p7s (3K) Download Attachment |
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Thanks for reporting that Scott. I will look into it when I have time.
I'm wondering if the rounding is being done in JUEL, or in displaying the value 7.499. -Adrian Scott Gray wrote: > Out of curiosity today I ran a couple of simple tests using JUEL's > numeric expressions and the results are a bit worrying, here's some > example code: > <set field="value1" value="0.0001" type="BigDecimal"/> > <set field="value2" value="10" type="BigDecimal"/> > <set field="resultValue" value="${value1 / value2}" type="BigDecimal"/> > <log level="always" message="${resultValue}"></log> > > and here are some example results: > 0.0001 / 10 = 0 > 10 / 3 = 3 > 10.89879 + 6.8978336 = 17.797 > 10.89879 * 6.8978336 = 75.178 > 10 - 2.5001 = 7.5 > > I don't have time right this minute to fix it so just reporting here so > people are aware. Adrian, I'm not asking you to fix it but if you have > any pointers or suggestions they'd be most welcome. > > Regards > Scott > > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > |
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It's not just for final values. Even in the current code for calculating taxes you'll see the stuff to round each item's tax and then round the total too. There are a few places, mostly the VAT and VAT-ish countries, that require rounding each item's value to 3 decimals and then rounding the sum to 2 decimals to get a real currency value. Stepping back a little: I'm not sure how this helps us (or makes things more complicated)... is there some simplification of code somewhere that you have in mind that would depend on these things? -David On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:53 AM, Scott Gray wrote: > Crazy numbers are only a problem for final values though right? > Take a basic tax calc for example: > quantity * price = interim value (no rounding) > interim value * tax rate = final value (rounded 3dp, displayed to > user and stored in db) > > Regards > Scott > > > On 10/09/2009, at 9:35 PM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> There is one other very general case I can think of: When you do a >> floating point multiply or divide you can get some pretty crazy >> numbers if you don't round. The solution is to do fixed point math, >> but even then for currency you can do a multiplication and get more >> digits that the 2 normally desired (unless you are doing certain >> things like tax calculations where you want 3 digits for the >> interim values and round to 2 digits after the interim values are >> added together). >> >> -David >> >> >> On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:56 AM, Scott Gray wrote: >> >>> I would prefer it if no rounding occurs anywhere, there's really >>> only two places it needs to occur: >>> 1. For division (even then only when the result would cause >>> infinite precision e.g. 10 / 3) >>> 2. When you're ready to arrive at the final result in a series of >>> calculations >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> On 10/09/2009, at 7:47 PM, Vince Clark wrote: >>> >>>> Yes the default is too small if precision is an issue. But at >>>> least you have control over it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Vince Clark >>>> www.globalera.com >>>> [hidden email] >>>> (303) 493-6723 office >>>> (303) 523-4843 cell >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> >>>> To: [hidden email] >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:41:58 AM GMT -07:00 US/ >>>> Canada Mountain >>>> Subject: Re: JUEL rounding issues >>>> >>>> That is one solution but it would be nice to fix JUEL. By the >>>> way I >>>> just had quick look at the calculate method and if you don't set a >>>> decimal-scale then 2 is used which seems a bit of a worry as well. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 10/09/2009, at 7:34 PM, Vince Clark wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't know much about UEL but did run into a rounding issue. >>>>> >>>>> I chose to instead use <calculate> so I could control precision. >>>>> >>>>> Vince Clark >>>>> www.globalera.com >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> (303) 493-6723 office >>>>> (303) 523-4843 cell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]> >>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:27:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada >>>>> Mountain >>>>> Subject: JUEL rounding issues >>>>> >>>>> Out of curiosity today I ran a couple of simple tests using JUEL's >>>>> numeric expressions and the results are a bit worrying, here's >>>>> some >>>>> example code: >>>>> <set field="value1" value="0.0001" type="BigDecimal"/> >>>>> <set field="value2" value="10" type="BigDecimal"/> >>>>> <set field="resultValue" value="${value1 / value2}" >>>>> type="BigDecimal"/> >>>>> <log level="always" message="${resultValue}"></log> >>>>> >>>>> and here are some example results: >>>>> 0.0001 / 10 = 0 >>>>> 10 / 3 = 3 >>>>> 10.89879 + 6.8978336 = 17.797 >>>>> 10.89879 * 6.8978336 = 75.178 >>>>> 10 - 2.5001 = 7.5 >>>>> >>>>> I don't have time right this minute to fix it so just reporting >>>>> here >>>>> so people are aware. Adrian, I'm not asking you to fix it but >>>>> if you >>>>> have any pointers or suggestions they'd be most welcome. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> HotWax Media >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
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