New Default Theme?

[David E Jones-3]

Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we  
shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The  
old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme  
component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps  
doesn't give the best first impression.

Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight  
theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new  
web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).

One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly  
as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are  
issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we  
should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both  
of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the  
ecommerce one yet).

Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered  
opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and  
a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).

BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the  
release branch next Tuesday.

-David

[Ashish Vijaywargiya-5]

Hello David,

The overall work done on theme is excellent.
So I will give  +1 for it.

Here are few comments / thoughts on "Smooth Feature" :

1) I noticed that in the "Search form" or "Create form" we have kept
Horizontal Bar (<hr>) after each field.
In my opinion this reduces the readability of form.

2) The ViewProfile page is one of the page that contains heavy data.
For example :
https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/viewprofile?partyId=DemoCustomer

-- In the above link the other links like "Billing Account", "Financial
Accounts", "Communications" are placed vertically and that should be
placed horizontal separated by piping symbol (or some better option) so
that we could save the page area vertically.
-- Its difficult to understand starting of new section heading and its
associated block like we have sections by heading "Personal
Information", "Contact Information", "List Related Accounts".
For example its difficult the read the details present in "Payment
Method Information" that is next block of "Loyality Points".

3) There are so many tabbutton present for Party and the first one (i.e
Profile) is overlapping with the main navigation section present in the
left. (For ex: Edit any party record)

4) On the search result form sometime it shows the link for ID fields on
mouse hover but sometime don't show.
(This behavior is observed on firefox 3)

5) Next, Previous, First and Last etc are aligned vertically.
https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/FindSecurityGroup

Special thanks to Ryan Foster for this wonderful work.

--
Ashish




David E Jones wrote:

>
> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
> doesn't give the best first impression.
>
> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>
> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are
> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both
> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
> ecommerce one yet).
>
> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and
> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>
> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
> release branch next Tuesday.
>
> -David
>

[Bruno Busco]

+1 for setting smoothfeather as default backoffice theme.
There is still something to be fixed while showing pages that use a
different GlobalDescriptor like lookups.

-Bruno

2009/4/11 Ashish Vijaywargiya <[hidden email]>

> Hello David,
>
> The overall work done on theme is excellent.
> So I will give  +1 for it.
>
> Here are few comments / thoughts on "Smooth Feature" :
>
> 1) I noticed that in the "Search form" or "Create form" we have kept
> Horizontal Bar (<hr>) after each field.
> In my opinion this reduces the readability of form.
>
> 2) The ViewProfile page is one of the page that contains heavy data.
> For example :
> https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/viewprofile?partyId=DemoCustomer
>
> -- In the above link the other links like "Billing Account", "Financial
> Accounts", "Communications" are placed vertically and that should be placed
> horizontal separated by piping symbol (or some better option) so that we
> could save the page area vertically.
> -- Its difficult to understand starting of new section heading and its
> associated block like we have sections by heading "Personal Information",
> "Contact Information", "List Related Accounts".
> For example its difficult the read the details present in "Payment Method
> Information" that is next block of "Loyality Points".
>
> 3) There are so many tabbutton present for Party and the first one (i.e
> Profile) is overlapping with the main navigation section present in the
> left. (For ex: Edit any party record)
>
> 4) On the search result form sometime it shows the link for ID fields on
> mouse hover but sometime don't show.
> (This behavior is observed on firefox 3)
>
> 5) Next, Previous, First and Last etc are aligned vertically.
> https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/FindSecurityGroup
>
> Special thanks to Ryan Foster for this wonderful work.
>
> --
> Ashish
>
>
>
>
>
> David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't
>> change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old
>> blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is
>> functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best
>> first impression.
>>
>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web
>> site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>>
>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as
>> the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues
>> with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able
>> to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones
>> seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet).
>>
>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a
>> vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not
>> be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>
>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>

[hans_bakker]

Hi David,

from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in
this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.

after 5 minutes of testing:
1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
(error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't
there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
areas as svn log and ?
3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet

Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you!

Regards,
Hans

On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:

> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we  
> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The  
> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme  
> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps  
> doesn't give the best first impression.
>
> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight  
> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new  
> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>
> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly  
> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are  
> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we  
> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both  
> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the  
> ecommerce one yet).
>
> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered  
> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and  
> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>
> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the  
> release branch next Tuesday.
>
> -David
>

--
Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates

[Jacques Le Roux]

I agree with Hans,

From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>

> Hi David,
>
> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in
> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
>
> after 5 minutes of testing:
> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't
> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
> areas as svn log and ?

If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax...

> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet

Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current
size screen used in the world (1024*768).
And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the Store
(the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc.
Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.

Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary applications", maybe 2 colors also ?

This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)

Yes thank you for that !

Jacques

> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>
>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>>
>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are
>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both
>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
>> ecommerce one yet).
>>
>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and
>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>
>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>
>> -David
>>
> --
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>

[Adrian Crum-2]

I like the idea of having the default theme match the public website.

Not only is the current default theme lightweight, its reading direction is reversible. Will the new themes work in RTL layout?

-Adrian


--- On Fri, 4/10/09, David E Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: David E Jones <[hidden email]>
> Subject: New Default Theme?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 3:21 PM
> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering
> if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for
> the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should
> probably move to a theme component) is functional and I
> suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the
> best first impression.
>
> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end
> (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is
> meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative
> theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>
> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested
> as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried
> about that because there are issues with the new default
> lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get
> things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the
> back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
> the ecommerce one yet).
>
> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I
> considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is
> probably better first (and a vote may not be needed
> depending on how this discussion goes).
>
> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen
> before the release branch next Tuesday.
>
> -David

     

[Adrian Crum-2]

Looking at this more...

The current default and bluelight themes are scalable - you can change the font size from your browser. The smoothfeather theme is fixed pitch - you can't change the font size.

Also, smoothfeather doesn't fit on my screen. That theme won't be usable where I work because many of our users have their screen resolutions set to 800x600.

When designing themes, keep in mind that back office workers might have poor eyesight, or may be blind. The developer community put a lot of work into making the current theme accessible. If the default theme is changed, maybe we can market the current theme as the accessible one.

-Adrian


--- On Sun, 4/12/09, Adrian Crum <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Adrian Crum <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: New Default Theme?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:13 AM
> I like the idea of having the default theme match the public
> website.
>
> Not only is the current default theme lightweight, its
> reading direction is reversible. Will the new themes work in
> RTL layout?
>
> -Adrian
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, David E Jones
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > From: David E Jones
> <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: New Default Theme?
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 3:21 PM
> > Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm
> wondering
> > if we shouldn't change the default theme,
> especially for
> > the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we
> should
> > probably move to a theme component) is functional and
> I
> > suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give
> the
> > best first impression.
> >
> > Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the
> back-end
> > (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which
> is
> > meant to look like the new web site), and 1
> alternative
> > theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
> >
> > One issue with all of these is they haven't been
> tested
> > as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too
> worried
> > about that because there are issues with the new
> default
> > lots of people will see it soon and we should be able
> to get
> > things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of
> the
> > back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played
> with
> > the ecommerce one yet).
> >
> > Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I
> > considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is
> > probably better first (and a vote may not be needed
> > depending on how this discussion goes).
> >
> > BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should
> happen
> > before the release branch next Tuesday.
> >
> > -David

     

[Jacques Le Roux]

From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]>

> Looking at this more...
>
> The current default and bluelight themes are scalable - you can change the font size from your browser. The smoothfeather theme is
> fixed pitch - you can't change the font size.
>
> Also, smoothfeather doesn't fit on my screen. That theme won't be usable where I work because many of our users have their screen
> resolutions set to 800x600.
>
> When designing themes, keep in mind that back office workers might have poor eyesight, or may be blind. The developer community
> put a lot of work into making the current theme accessible. If the default theme is changed, maybe we can market the current theme
> as the accessible one.

Also we may associate recommendations (resolutions, browsers, etc.) with each theme and show these recommendations in the themes
gallery

Jacques

> -Adrian
>
>
> --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Adrian Crum <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> From: Adrian Crum <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: New Default Theme?
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:13 AM
>> I like the idea of having the default theme match the public
>> website.
>>
>> Not only is the current default theme lightweight, its
>> reading direction is reversible. Will the new themes work in
>> RTL layout?
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, David E Jones
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> > From: David E Jones
>> <[hidden email]>
>> > Subject: New Default Theme?
>> > To: [hidden email]
>> > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 3:21 PM
>> > Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm
>> wondering
>> > if we shouldn't change the default theme,
>> especially for
>> > the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we
>> should
>> > probably move to a theme component) is functional and
>> I
>> > suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give
>> the
>> > best first impression.
>> >
>> > Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the
>> back-end
>> > (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which
>> is
>> > meant to look like the new web site), and 1
>> alternative
>> > theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>> >
>> > One issue with all of these is they haven't been
>> tested
>> > as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too
>> worried
>> > about that because there are issues with the new
>> default
>> > lots of people will see it soon and we should be able
>> to get
>> > things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of
>> the
>> > back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played
>> with
>> > the ecommerce one yet).
>> >
>> > Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I
>> > considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is
>> > probably better first (and a vote may not be needed
>> > depending on how this discussion goes).
>> >
>> > BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should
>> happen
>> > before the release branch next Tuesday.
>> >
>> > -David
>
>
>
>

[Ashish Vijaywargiya-5]

 >> Also we may associate recommendations (resolutions, browsers, etc.)
with each theme and show these recommendations in the themes
 >> gallery

 >> Jacques

+1

--
Ashish Vijaywargiya


Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]>
>> Looking at this more...
>>
>> The current default and bluelight themes are scalable - you can
>> change the font size from your browser. The smoothfeather theme is
>> fixed pitch - you can't change the font size.
>>
>> Also, smoothfeather doesn't fit on my screen. That theme won't be
>> usable where I work because many of our users have their screen
>> resolutions set to 800x600.
>>
>> When designing themes, keep in mind that back office workers might
>> have poor eyesight, or may be blind. The developer community
>> put a lot of work into making the current theme accessible. If the
>> default theme is changed, maybe we can market the current theme
>> as the accessible one.
>
> Also we may associate recommendations (resolutions, browsers, etc.)
> with each theme and show these recommendations in the themes
> gallery
>
> Jacques
>
>

[porkiey]

+1 for changing to something that gives a great first impression to people new to OFBiz so would tend to want to use smoothfeather as the default to carry the theme through from the website.

Sam


On 11/04/2009 06:21, "David Jones" <[hidden email]> wrote:



Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
doesn't give the best first impression.

Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).

One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are
issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both
of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
ecommerce one yet).

Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and
a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).

BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
release branch next Tuesday.

-David

[Jacques Le Roux]

So far, I found also that :
* there is no footer anymore
* an issue with favicon.png.
* when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it. It's like if the last view feature was not working.
* the log in webtools is no longer colored
* it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view

HTH

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>

>I agree with Hans,
>
> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in
>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
>>
>> after 5 minutes of testing:
>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't
>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
>> areas as svn log and ?
>
> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax...
>
>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
>
> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current
> size screen used in the world (1024*768).
> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc.
> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
>
> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
>
> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
>
> Yes thank you for that !
>
> Jacques
>
>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>>
>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>>
>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>>>
>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are
>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both
>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
>>> ecommerce one yet).
>>>
>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and
>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>>
>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
>>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>> --
>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>>
>
>

[Ean Schuessler]

I think we need to find a way to honor all of the significant contributors to OFBiz. The good initial discussions from ApacheCon need to be fleshed out further.

We can continue to very positively impact the look and feel of the system and we would prefer not to keep those innovations to ourselves. We must be sure that people understand that the new look and feel is our work. An improved OFBiz look and feel is a big competitive advantage and we want to get some value out of bringing it to the community. Your project management work is very much the same thing as are the many, many contributions of HotWax. We need to find a way to reward these major enhancements and protect their value for the donors.

None of this is new to Apache, which has many major organizations and vendors making donations to it. Their conservative position with regard to credit is probably born of experience and I am curious about their advice. At the same time, there is some irony that the Apache license is primarily concerned with giving credit to the Apache Project when the code is used.

----- "Hans Bakker" wrote:

> Hi David,
> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in
> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
> after 5 minutes of testing:
> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't
> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
> areas as svn log and ?
> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet 
> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you!

--
Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
[hidden email] - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315

[Ryan Foster]

I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.  
Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more  
logically in the header.  For instance, the secondary apps have been  
grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been  
grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and  
language.  The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you  
clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,  
having several errors.

Ryan Foster
HotWax Media
801.671.0769
[hidden email]




On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> So far, I found also that :
> * there is no footer anymore
> * an issue with favicon.png.
> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it.  
> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view
>
> HTH
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>> I agree with Hans,
>>
>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of  
>>> errors in
>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
>>>
>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,  
>>> wasn't
>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
>>> areas as svn log and ?
>>
>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax...
>>
>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
>>
>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen  
>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size  
>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen  
>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the  
>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having  
>> a panel open at left, etc.
>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
>>
>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area  
>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others  
>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary  
>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
>>
>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not  
>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
>>
>> Yes thank you for that !
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.  
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end.  
>>>> The
>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>>>
>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the  
>>>> bluelight
>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the  
>>>> new
>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex  
>>>> theme).
>>>>
>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as  
>>>> thoroughly
>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because  
>>>> there are
>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing  
>>>> both
>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
>>>> ecommerce one yet).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first  
>>>> (and
>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>>>
>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before  
>>>> the
>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>>>
>>
>
>

[Tim Ruppert]

Fost, we do need to get all of those references to HOTWAX out of this theme - but that was an oversight not a marketing ploy :)  Looking forward to getting this all resolved, but I don't think any of these things should stop us from using this one - only encourage everyone to make it better!

Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

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----- "Ryan Foster" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.  
> Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more  
> logically in the header.  For instance, the secondary apps have been
>
> grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been  
> grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and  
> language.  The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you  
> clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,  
> having several errors.
>
> Ryan Foster
> HotWax Media
> 801.671.0769
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
> > So far, I found also that :
> > * there is no footer anymore
> > * an issue with favicon.png.
> > * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it.
>
> > It's like if the last view feature was not working.
> > * the log in webtools is no longer colored
> > * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
> >> I agree with Hans,
> >>
> >> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
> >>> Hi David,
> >>>
> >>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of  
> >>> errors in
> >>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very
> realistic.
> >>>
> >>> after 5 minutes of testing:
> >>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
> >>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
> >>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
>
> >>> wasn't
> >>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in
> other
> >>> areas as svn log and ?
> >>
> >> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of
> hotwax...
> >>
> >>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because
> of
> >>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
> >>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
> >>
> >> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen
>
> >> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size
>
> >> screen used in the world (1024*768).
> >> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen  
> >> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the  
> >> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having
>  
> >> a panel open at left, etc.
> >> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
> >>
> >> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area
>
> >> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others  
> >> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary  
> >> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
> >>
> >> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not
>  
> >> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
> >>
> >> Yes thank you for that !
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the
> next
> >>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.  
> >>> Thank you!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Hans
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> >>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> >>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end.
>
> >>>> The
> >>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a
> theme
> >>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but
> perhaps
> >>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
> >>>>
> >>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the  
> >>>> bluelight
> >>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the
>  
> >>>> new
> >>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
>
> >>>> theme).
> >>>>
> >>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as  
> >>>> thoroughly
> >>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because  
> >>>> there are
> >>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and
> we
> >>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing
>  
> >>>> both
> >>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
> the
> >>>> ecommerce one yet).
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
> >>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first
>  
> >>>> (and
> >>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before
>  
> >>>> the
> >>>> release branch next Tuesday.
> >>>>
> >>>> -David
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >

[Tim Ruppert]

Great points all around Ean.  While we love to contribute and while this look and feel has taken things forward in a major way - so do the contributions of everyone in the community.  Looking forward to finding fun ways to incentivize more contribution and more acknowledgement for all of those involved.

This community is stellar - looking forward to being a part of it as it continues to grow and becomes even better than it is today.

Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

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----- "Ean Schuessler" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think we need to find a way to honor all of the significant
> contributors to OFBiz. The good initial discussions from ApacheCon
> need to be fleshed out further.
>
> We can continue to very positively impact the look and feel of the
> system and we would prefer not to keep those innovations to ourselves.
> We must be sure that people understand that the new look and feel is
> our work. An improved OFBiz look and feel is a big competitive
> advantage and we want to get some value out of bringing it to the
> community. Your project management work is very much the same thing as
> are the many, many contributions of HotWax. We need to find a way to
> reward these major enhancements and protect their value for the
> donors.
>
> None of this is new to Apache, which has many major organizations and
> vendors making donations to it. Their conservative position with
> regard to credit is probably born of experience and I am curious about
> their advice. At the same time, there is some irony that the Apache
> license is primarily concerned with giving credit to the Apache
> Project when the code is used.
>
> ----- "Hans Bakker" wrote:
> > Hi David,
> > from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors
> in
> > this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
>
> > after 5 minutes of testing:
> > 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
> > (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
> > 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
> wasn't
> > there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
>
> > areas as svn log and ?
> > 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
>
> > spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
> > https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet 
> > Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
>
> > level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank
> you!
>
> --
> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
> [hidden email] - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315

[Tim Ruppert]

+1 - I totally agree.  Let's fix this puppy up right - taking in the recommendations of everyone.  This first impression is a much better one IMHO - but there are things that need to get tweaked to make it work right.

I'm all in favor of really looking into all of the organization around the apps and coming up with something that's:

1. Better looking
2. Easier to use
3. More intuitive
4. etc

yeah - I want it all, what can I say?

Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

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----- "Sam Hamilton" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1 for changing to something that gives a great first impression to
> people new to OFBiz so would tend to want to use smoothfeather as the
> default to carry the theme through from the website.
>
> Sam
>
>
> On 11/04/2009 06:21, "David Jones" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
> doesn't give the best first impression.
>
> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
> bluelight
> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
> theme).
>
> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there
> are
> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing
> both
> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
> ecommerce one yet).
>
> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first
> (and
> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>
> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
> release branch next Tuesday.
>
> -David

[Scott Gray-2]

+1,  I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any issues can be fixed and it does look much better.

Regards

Scott

HotWax Media

http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

On 15/04/2009, at 2:52 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:

+1 - I totally agree.  Let's fix this puppy up right - taking in the recommendations of everyone.  This first impression is a much better one IMHO - but there are things that need to get tweaked to make it work right.

I'm all in favor of really looking into all of the organization around the apps and coming up with something that's:

1. Better looking
2. Easier to use
3. More intuitive
4. etc

yeah - I want it all, what can I say?

Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595

----- "Sam Hamilton" <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1 for changing to something that gives a great first impression to

people new to OFBiz so would tend to want to use smoothfeather as the

default to carry the theme through from the website.

Sam

On 11/04/2009 06:21, "David Jones" <[hidden email]>

wrote:

Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we

shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The

old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme

component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps

doesn't give the best first impression.

Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the

bluelight

theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new

web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex

theme).

One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly

as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there

are

issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we

should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing

both

of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the

ecommerce one yet).

Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered

opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first

(and

a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).

BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the

release branch next Tuesday.

-David

[Ryan Foster]

The references have been removed and the patch was sent to David.

Ryan Foster
HotWax Media
801.671.0769
[hidden email]




On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:

> Fost, we do need to get all of those references to HOTWAX out of  
> this theme - but that was an oversight not a marketing ploy :)  
> Looking forward to getting this all resolved, but I don't think any  
> of these things should stop us from using this one - only encourage  
> everyone to make it better!
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
> ----- "Ryan Foster" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
>> Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
>> logically in the header.  For instance, the secondary apps have been
>>
>> grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
>> grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and
>> language.  The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
>> clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
>> having several errors.
>>
>> Ryan Foster
>> HotWax Media
>> 801.671.0769
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> So far, I found also that :
>>> * there is no footer anymore
>>> * an issue with favicon.png.
>>> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it.
>>
>>> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
>>> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
>>> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>>>> I agree with Hans,
>>>>
>>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>
>>>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
>>>>> errors in
>>>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very
>> realistic.
>>>>>
>>>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
>>>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
>>>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
>>>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
>>
>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in
>> other
>>>>> areas as svn log and ?
>>>>
>>>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of
>> hotwax...
>>>>
>>>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because
>> of
>>>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
>>>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
>>>>
>>>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen
>>
>>>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size
>>
>>>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
>>>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
>>>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
>>>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having
>>
>>>> a panel open at left, etc.
>>>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
>>>>
>>>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area
>>
>>>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
>>>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
>>>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
>>>>
>>>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not
>>
>>>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
>>>>
>>>> Yes thank you for that !
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the
>> next
>>>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Hans
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>>>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end.
>>
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a
>> theme
>>>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but
>> perhaps
>>>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
>>>>>> bluelight
>>>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the
>>
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
>>
>>>>>> theme).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
>>>>>> thoroughly
>>>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
>>>>>> there are
>>>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and
>> we
>>>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing
>>
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
>> the
>>>>>> ecommerce one yet).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>>>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first
>>
>>>>>> (and
>>>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before
>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

[Tim Ruppert]

Awesome - thanks for the follow up.  I think it got patched up earlier, so it's probably just waiting on the commit (if it's not in there already).  Good stuff.

Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

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----- "Ryan Foster" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The references have been removed and the patch was sent to David.
>
> Ryan Foster
> HotWax Media
> 801.671.0769
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>
> > Fost, we do need to get all of those references to HOTWAX out of  
> > this theme - but that was an oversight not a marketing ploy :)  
> > Looking forward to getting this all resolved, but I don't think any
>
> > of these things should stop us from using this one - only encourage
>
> > everyone to make it better!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tim
> > --
> > Tim Ruppert
> > HotWax Media
> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >
> > o:801.649.6594
> > f:801.649.6595
> >
> > ----- "Ryan Foster" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
> >> Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
> >> logically in the header.  For instance, the secondary apps have
> been
> >>
> >> grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
> >> grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection
> and
> >> language.  The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
> >> clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
> >> having several errors.
> >>
> >> Ryan Foster
> >> HotWax Media
> >> 801.671.0769
> >> [hidden email]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>
> >>> So far, I found also that :
> >>> * there is no footer anymore
> >>> * an issue with favicon.png.
> >>> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply
> it.
> >>
> >>> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
> >>> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
> >>> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order
> view
> >>>
> >>> HTH
> >>>
> >>> Jacques
> >>>
> >>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
> >>>> I agree with Hans,
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
> >>>>> Hi David,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
> >>>>> errors in
> >>>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very
> >> realistic.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
> >>>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
> >>>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
> >>>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much
> appreciated,
> >>
> >>>>> wasn't
> >>>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in
> >> other
> >>>>> areas as svn log and ?
> >>>>
> >>>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of
> >> hotwax...
> >>>>
> >>>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide
> because
> >> of
> >>>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
> >>>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide
> screen
> >>
> >>>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current
> size
> >>
> >>>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
> >>>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
> >>>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
> >>>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about
> having
> >>
> >>>> a panel open at left, etc.
> >>>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business
> Area
> >>
> >>>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
> >>>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
> >>>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
> >>>>
> >>>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is
> not
> >>
> >>>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes thank you for that !
> >>>>
> >>>> Jacques
> >>>>
> >>>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the
> >> next
> >>>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
> >>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Hans
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> >>>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> >>>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the
> back-end.
> >>
> >>>>>> The
> >>>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a
> >> theme
> >>>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but
> >> perhaps
> >>>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
> >>>>>> bluelight
> >>>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like
> the
> >>
> >>>>>> new
> >>>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the
> multiflex
> >>
> >>>>>> theme).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
> >>>>>> thoroughly
> >>>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
> >>>>>> there are
> >>>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon
> and
> >> we
> >>>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own
> testing
> >>
> >>>>>> both
> >>>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
> >> the
> >>>>>> ecommerce one yet).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I
> considered
> >>>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better
> first
> >>
> >>>>>> (and
> >>>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion
> goes).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen
> before
> >>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -David
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Actually the things that IMO are missing are
* The ASF copyright and link to a apache.org site
* Powered by OFBiz and link to ofbiz.apache.org
*  Release.revision informations

Only the last is mandatory IMO, but I'm not sure about ASF copyright and a link to OFBiz site would be cool

But maybe they are somewhere and I did not find them (do you hate footers ? ;o) ?

With the update today all issues below are still there
For favicon.png I think it should be favicon.ico by the way (did not look into detail but that how it works normally, this was
introduced by M$ if I recall well, hence the .ico)

Also sometimes on XP using FF3 (a pretty classic set I'd say) I get myself stuck, the UI is not responding anymore. I got this issue
at least after trying to change themes.

Jacques

From: "Ryan Foster" <[hidden email]>

> I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
> Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
> logically in the header.  For instance, the secondary apps have been
> grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
> grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and
> language.  The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
> clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
> having several errors.
>
> Ryan Foster
> HotWax Media
> 801.671.0769
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> So far, I found also that :
>> * there is no footer anymore
>> * an issue with favicon.png.
>> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it.
>> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
>> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
>> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
>>> I agree with Hans,
>>>
>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>>
>>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
>>>> errors in
>>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
>>>>
>>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
>>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
>>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
>>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
>>>> wasn't
>>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
>>>> areas as svn log and ?
>>>
>>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax...
>>>
>>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
>>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
>>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
>>>
>>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen
>>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size
>>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
>>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
>>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
>>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having
>>> a panel open at left, etc.
>>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
>>>
>>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area
>>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
>>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
>>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
>>>
>>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not
>>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
>>>
>>> Yes thank you for that !
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
>>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end.
>>>>> The
>>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
>>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
>>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
>>>>> bluelight
>>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the
>>>>> new
>>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
>>>>> theme).
>>>>>
>>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
>>>>> thoroughly
>>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
>>>>> there are
>>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
>>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing
>>>>> both
>>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
>>>>> ecommerce one yet).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first
>>>>> (and
>>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before
>>>>> the
>>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>