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Hello,
Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format (possibly with a knowledge base) since forums are generally better at organizing information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit for this format and, as a result, reduce questions whose answers can be found easily on the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is operational, it may be a good test for it.
Regards, Vinay Agarwal
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Hi Vinay,
You certainly guess that this has alreday been
asked in the past. If you search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it was a
lot easier when MLs had an internal search option (and even a plugin
to search from firefox-google field).
The other way is to use Google option
"site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is
prominent...
In think the reason is that it's a lot less time
consuming to admin a ML than forums... Because forums to be good tools must be
regularly administred.
Jacques
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Jacques, I agree that forums take some administration but it certainly is less than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin rights to more people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), forum administration would not be a problem. The most difficult part would be to set it up. Regards, Vinay
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Hi Vinay,
You certainly guess that this has alreday been asked in the past. If you search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it was a lot easier when MLs had an internal search option (and even a plugin to search from firefox-google field).
The other way is to use Google option "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is prominent...
In think the reason is that it's a lot less time consuming to admin a ML than forums... Because forums to be good tools must be regularly administred.
Jacques
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Vinay Agarwal wrote: > Jacques, > > I agree that forums take some administration but it certainly is less > than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin rights to more > people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), forum > administration would not be a problem. The most difficult part would > be to set it up. > > Regards, > > Vinay > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Jacques Le Roux > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM > *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > list > > > > Hi Vinay, > > > > You certainly guess that this has alreday been asked in the past. If > you search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it was a lot easier > when MLs had an internal search option (and even a plugin to search > from firefox-google field). > > > > The other way is to use Google option "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you > have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is prominent... > > > > In think the reason is that it's a lot less time consuming to admin a > ML than forums... Because forums to be good tools must be regularly > administred. > > > > Jacques > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:[hidden email]> > > *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' <mailto:[hidden email]> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM > > *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > list > > > > Hello, > > > > Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format (possibly with a > knowledge base) since forums are generally better at organizing > information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit for this format and, > as a result, reduce questions whose answers can be found easily on > the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is operational, it may > be a good test for it. > > > > Regards, > > Vinay Agarwal > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >_______________________________________________ >Users mailing list >[hidden email] >http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>In think the reason is that it's a lot less time consuming to admin a Why is that the case btw? CJ _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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Vinay Agarwal wrote: > > Jacques, > > I agree that forums take some administration but it certainly is less > than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin rights to more > people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), forum > administration would not be a problem. The most difficult part would > be to set it up. > > Regards, > > Vinay > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Jacques Le Roux > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM > *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > list > > > > Hi Vinay, > > > > You certainly guess that this has alreday been asked in the past. If > you search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it was a lot easier > when MLs had an internal search option (and even a plugin to search > from firefox-google field). > > > > The other way is to use Google option "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you > have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is prominent... > > > > In think the reason is that it's a lot less time consuming to admin a > ML than forums... Because forums to be good tools must be regularly > administred. > > > > Jacques > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:[hidden email]> > > *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' <mailto:[hidden email]> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM > > *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > list > > > > Hello, > > > > Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format (possibly with a > knowledge base) since forums are generally better at organizing > information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit for this format and, > as a result, reduce questions whose answers can be found easily on > the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is operational, it may > be a good test for it. > > > > Regards, > > Vinay Agarwal > > > _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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Backing up a little bit... what would be the benefits of using forums versus mailing lists? Or is it forums versus the wiki? I've seen 2 in these messages so far: 1. "generally better at organizing information" 2. easier to search in a forum I'm not sure what #1 is supposed to mean, and I'm not sure that #2 is actually true... I'd be interested in hearing other benefits of using a forum... Unless the forum could be used like a mailing list, ie get messages in email and reply to them with email, then you can use them all you want, but chances are questions won't get many answers because it will require more effort from those that do monitor the lists and answer questions... -David Vinay Agarwal wrote: > Jacques, > > I agree that forums take some administration but it certainly is less > than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin rights to more > people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), forum administration > would not be a problem. The most difficult part would be to set it up. > > Regards, > > Vinay > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Jacques Le Roux > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM > *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list > > > > Hi Vinay, > > > > You certainly guess that this has alreday been asked in the past. If you > search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it was a lot easier > when MLs had an internal search option (and even a plugin to search from > firefox-google field). > > > > The other way is to use Google option "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you > have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is prominent... > > > > In think the reason is that it's a lot less time consuming to admin a ML > than forums... Because forums to be good tools must be regularly > administred. > > > > Jacques > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:[hidden email]> > > *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' <mailto:[hidden email]> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM > > *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list > > > > Hello, > > > > Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format (possibly with a > knowledge base) since forums are generally better at organizing > information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit for this format and, > as a result, reduce questions whose answers can be found easily on > the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is operational, it may be > a good test for it. > > > > Regards, > > Vinay Agarwal > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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David E. Jones wrote: >Backing up a little bit... what would be the benefits of using forums versus mailing lists? Or is it forums versus the wiki? > >I've seen 2 in these messages so far: > >1. "generally better at organizing information" >2. easier to search in a forum > >I'm not sure what #1 is supposed to mean, and I'm not sure that #2 is actually true... I'd be interested in hearing other benefits of using a forum... > >Unless the forum could be used like a mailing list, ie get messages in email and reply to them with email, then you can use them all you want, but chances are questions won't get many answers because it will require more effort from those that do monitor the lists and answer questions... > >-David > > >Vinay Agarwal wrote: > > >>Jacques, >> >>I agree that forums take some administration but it certainly is less >>than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin rights to more >>people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), forum administration >>would not be a problem. The most difficult part would be to set it up. >> >>Regards, >> >>Vinay >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>*From:* [hidden email] >>[mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Jacques Le Roux >>*Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM >>*To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion >>*Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list >> >> >> >>Hi Vinay, >> >> >> >>You certainly guess that this has alreday been asked in the past. If you >>search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it was a lot easier >>when MLs had an internal search option (and even a plugin to search from >>firefox-google field). >> >> >> >>The other way is to use Google option "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you >>have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is prominent... >> >> >> >>In think the reason is that it's a lot less time consuming to admin a ML >>than forums... Because forums to be good tools must be regularly >>administred. >> >> >> >>Jacques >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:[hidden email]> >> >> *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' <mailto:[hidden email]> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM >> >> *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format (possibly with a >> knowledge base) since forums are generally better at organizing >> information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit for this format and, >> as a result, reduce questions whose answers can be found easily on >> the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is operational, it may be >> a good test for it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Vinay Agarwal >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Users mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Users mailing list >[hidden email] >http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > >> Unless the forum could be used like a mailing list, ie get messages in email >> Most forums support mail notifications. Replying ... No not by email, but it's not too hard to keep the forum page open in the browser. CJ _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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David,
I feel that forums may actually increase the answers to questions because people like me can answer certain questions while not all questions. In addition, I am personally more interested in some topics than others. For me, emails don't automatically get organized in threads and, therefore, can feel overwhelming at times. Forums, on the other hand, are always thread organized. They normally can send email notification with an effect similar to the mailing list. I was originally thinking about OFBiz forum but not sure if it has all these features. Regards, Vinay -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David E. Jones Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:20 AM To: OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list Backing up a little bit... what would be the benefits of using forums versus mailing lists? Or is it forums versus the wiki? I've seen 2 in these messages so far: 1. "generally better at organizing information" 2. easier to search in a forum I'm not sure what #1 is supposed to mean, and I'm not sure that #2 is actually true... I'd be interested in hearing other benefits of using a forum... Unless the forum could be used like a mailing list, ie get messages in email and reply to them with email, then you can use them all you want, but chances are questions won't get many answers because it will require more effort from those that do monitor the lists and answer questions... -David Vinay Agarwal wrote: > Jacques, > > I agree that forums take some administration but it certainly is less > than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin rights to more > people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), forum administration > would not be a problem. The most difficult part would be to set it up. > > Regards, > > Vinay > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Jacques Le Roux > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM > *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > > > > Hi Vinay, > > > > You certainly guess that this has alreday been asked in the past. If you > search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it was a lot easier > when MLs had an internal search option (and even a plugin to search from > firefox-google field). > > > > The other way is to use Google option "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you > have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is prominent... > > > > In think the reason is that it's a lot less time consuming to admin a ML > than forums... Because forums to be good tools must be regularly > administred. > > > > Jacques > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:[hidden email]> > > *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' <mailto:[hidden email]> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM > > *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > > > > Hello, > > > > Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format (possibly with a > knowledge base) since forums are generally better at organizing > information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit for this format and, > as a result, reduce questions whose answers can be found easily on > the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is operational, it may be > a good test for it. > > > > Regards, > > Vinay Agarwal > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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As someone who seems to answer a lot more questions than I ask, I would
certainly find the forum format annoying. I generally just let the ML stuff flow in all day and whenever I have a free moment I scan through and see if there's anything I can help with. If I had to be more proactive, i.e. browse through a forum waiting for pages to load etc, I just wouldn't bother. I think that this kind of demonstrates a problem, I can understand that for those who want to find info quickly, a forum is better, but for those who provide the answers the process is much less painful as a ML. So I guess I'm saying that I much prefer the status quo... -- Kind Regards Andrew Sykes <[hidden email]> Sykes Development Ltd http://www.sykesdevelopment.com _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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Yeah, this is exactly the problem with forums... We had some early on in OFBiz on the SourceForge site and it was a mess. Messages would go unnoticed for weeks sometimes. Of course, we had both mailing lists and forums at the time, and most people used the mailing lists. So, we tossed the forums. -David Andrew Sykes wrote: > As someone who seems to answer a lot more questions than I ask, I would > certainly find the forum format annoying. > > I generally just let the ML stuff flow in all day and whenever I have a > free moment I scan through and see if there's anything I can help with. > > If I had to be more proactive, i.e. browse through a forum waiting for > pages to load etc, I just wouldn't bother. > > I think that this kind of demonstrates a problem, I can understand that > for those who want to find info quickly, a forum is better, but for > those who provide the answers the process is much less painful as a ML. > > So I guess I'm saying that I much prefer the status quo... _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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So, wait, are you talking about the need for threading, or the idea of doing more granular topics for different forums (which could also be done with mailing lists)? There was a discussion about more granular topics recently, might be of interest. For threading, I'd say get a better mail reader ;), like Thunderbird (which is what I use these days) or something. -David Vinay Agarwal wrote: > David, > I feel that forums may actually increase the answers to questions because > people like me can answer certain questions while not all questions. In > addition, I am personally more interested in some topics than others. For > me, emails don't automatically get organized in threads and, therefore, can > feel overwhelming at times. Forums, on the other hand, are always thread > organized. They normally can send email notification with an effect similar > to the mailing list. I was originally thinking about OFBiz forum but not > sure if it has all these features. > Regards, > Vinay > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] > On Behalf Of David E. Jones > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:20 AM > To: OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion > Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list > > > Backing up a little bit... what would be the benefits of using forums versus > mailing lists? Or is it forums versus the wiki? > > I've seen 2 in these messages so far: > > 1. "generally better at organizing information" > 2. easier to search in a forum > > I'm not sure what #1 is supposed to mean, and I'm not sure that #2 is > actually true... I'd be interested in hearing other benefits of using a > forum... > > Unless the forum could be used like a mailing list, ie get messages in email > and reply to them with email, then you can use them all you want, but > chances are questions won't get many answers because it will require more > effort from those that do monitor the lists and answer questions... > > -David > > > Vinay Agarwal wrote: >> Jacques, >> >> I agree that forums take some administration but it certainly is less >> than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin rights to more >> people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), forum administration >> would not be a problem. The most difficult part would be to set it up. >> >> Regards, >> >> Vinay >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Jacques Le Roux >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM >> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion >> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > list >> >> >> Hi Vinay, >> >> >> >> You certainly guess that this has alreday been asked in the past. If you >> search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it was a lot easier >> when MLs had an internal search option (and even a plugin to search from >> firefox-google field). >> >> >> >> The other way is to use Google option "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you >> have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is prominent... >> >> >> >> In think the reason is that it's a lot less time consuming to admin a ML >> than forums... Because forums to be good tools must be regularly >> administred. >> >> >> >> Jacques >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:[hidden email]> >> >> *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' <mailto:[hidden email]> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM >> >> *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > list >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format (possibly with a >> knowledge base) since forums are generally better at organizing >> information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit for this format and, >> as a result, reduce questions whose answers can be found easily on >> the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is operational, it may be >> a good test for it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Vinay Agarwal >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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So, uh, hey. I came across this rather flexible open source framework project called Open for Business a while back. I'm sure with minimal tweaking it could provide this functionality as both a forum and a mailing list. ;) ======David Jones wrote: So, wait, are you talking about the need for threading, or the idea of doing more granular topics for different forums (which could also be done with mailing lists)? There was a discussion about more granular topics recently, might be of interest. For threading, I'd say get a better mail reader ;), like Thunderbird (which is what I use these days) or something. -David Vinay Agarwal wrote: > David, > I feel that forums may actually increase the answers to questions because > people like me can answer certain questions while not all questions. In > addition, I am personally more interested in some topics than others. For > me, emails don't automatically get organized in threads and, therefore, can > feel overwhelming at times. Forums, on the other hand, are always thread > organized. They normally can send email notification with an effect similar > to the mailing list. I was originally thinking about OFBiz forum but not > sure if it has all these features. > Regards, > Vinay > > -----Original Message----- > From: users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org [mailto:users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org] > On Behalf Of David E. Jones > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:20 AM > To: OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion > Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list > > > Backing up a little bit... what would be the benefits of using forums versus > mailing lists? Or is it forums versus the wiki? > > I've seen 2 in these messages so far: > > 1. "generally better at organizing information" > 2. easier to search in a forum > > I'm not sure what #1 is supposed to mean, and I'm not sure that #2 is > actually true... I'd be interested in hearing other benefits of using a > forum... > > Unless the forum could be used like a mailing list, ie get messages in email > and reply to them with email, then you can use them all you want, but > chances are questions won't get many answers because it will require more > effort from those that do monitor the lists and answer questions... > > -David > > > Vinay Agarwal wrote: >> Jacques, >> >> I agree that forums take some administration but it certainly is less >> than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin rights to more >> people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), forum administration >> would not be a problem. The most difficult part would be to set it up. >> >> Regards, >> >> Vinay >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org >> [mailto:users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org] *On >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM >> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion >> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > list >> >> >> Hi Vinay, >> >> >> >> You certainly guess that this has alreday been asked in the past. If you >> search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it was a lot easier >> when MLs had an internal search option (and even a plugin to search from >> firefox-google field). >> >> >> >> The other way is to use Google option "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you >> have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is prominent... >> >> >> >> In think the reason is that it's a lot less time consuming to admin a ML >> than forums... Because forums to be good tools must be regularly >> administred. >> >> >> >> Jacques >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:VinayKAgarwal at hotmail.com> >> >> *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' <mailto:users at lists.ofbiz.org> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM >> >> *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > list >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format (possibly with a >> knowledge base) since forums are generally better at organizing >> information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit for this format and, >> as a result, reduce questions whose answers can be found easily on >> the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is operational, it may be >> a good test for it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Vinay Agarwal >> >> >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.ofbiz.org > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.ofbiz.org > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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Chris,
When can I have that? ;) Vinay -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Chris Howe Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:15 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list So, uh, hey. I came across this rather flexible open source framework project called Open for Business a while back. I'm sure with minimal tweaking it could provide this functionality as both a forum and a mailing list. ;) ======David Jones wrote: So, wait, are you talking about the need for threading, or the idea of doing more granular topics for different forums (which could also be done with mailing lists)? There was a discussion about more granular topics recently, might be of interest. For threading, I'd say get a better mail reader ;), like Thunderbird (which is what I use these days) or something. -David Vinay Agarwal wrote: > David, > I feel that forums may actually increase the answers to questions because > people like me can answer certain questions while not all questions. In > addition, I am personally more interested in some topics than others. For > me, emails don't automatically get organized in threads and, therefore, can > feel overwhelming at times. Forums, on the other hand, are always thread > organized. They normally can send email notification with an effect similar > to the mailing list. I was originally thinking about OFBiz forum but not > sure if it has all these features. > Regards, > Vinay > > -----Original Message----- > From: users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org [mailto:users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org] > On Behalf Of David E. Jones > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:20 AM > To: OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion > Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list > > > Backing up a little bit... what would be the benefits of using forums versus > mailing lists? Or is it forums versus the wiki? > > I've seen 2 in these messages so far: > > 1. "generally better at organizing information" > 2. easier to search in a forum > > I'm not sure what #1 is supposed to mean, and I'm not sure that #2 is > actually true... I'd be interested in hearing other benefits of using a > forum... > > Unless the forum could be used like a mailing list, ie get messages in email > and reply to them with email, then you can use them all you want, but > chances are questions won't get many answers because it will require more > effort from those that do monitor the lists and answer questions... > > -David > > > Vinay Agarwal wrote: >> Jacques, >> >> I agree that forums take some administration but it certainly is less >> than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin rights to more >> people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), forum administration >> would not be a problem. The most difficult part would be to set it up. >> >> Regards, >> >> Vinay >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org >> [mailto:users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org] *On >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM >> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion >> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > list >> >> >> Hi Vinay, >> >> >> >> You certainly guess that this has alreday been asked in the past. If you >> search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it was a lot easier >> when MLs had an internal search option (and even a plugin to search from >> firefox-google field). >> >> >> >> The other way is to use Google option "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you >> have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is prominent... >> >> >> >> In think the reason is that it's a lot less time consuming to admin a ML >> than forums... Because forums to be good tools must be regularly >> administred. >> >> >> >> Jacques >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:VinayKAgarwal at hotmail.com> >> >> *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' <mailto:users at lists.ofbiz.org> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM >> >> *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing > list >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format (possibly with a >> knowledge base) since forums are generally better at organizing >> information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit for this format and, >> as a result, reduce questions whose answers can be found easily on >> the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is operational, it may be >> a good test for it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Vinay Agarwal >> >> >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.ofbiz.org > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.ofbiz.org > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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Yeah, exactly... This has been discussed a few times, ie creating a forum-like system (extending the current forum stuff...) to be a nice flexible mailing list management type of tool. A lot of infrastructure is actually in place for this now, including stuff to send and process emails. The problem is usually that there is a lot to do, and too few resources to do it, so most of what gets into OFBiz is either funded by some paying project, or is a big enough issue to attract attention from contributors in spite of not being paid. With what has been developed recently, perhaps we are close enough that this could be a feasible 2-3 day project... Is this more important than other outstanding issues, like: 1. fixing outstanding issues... just check out Jira to get a glimpse of this increasingly fun mountain of stuff ;) 2. library refactoring to eliminate LGPL/GPL libraries 3. documentation consolidation 4. writing and producing additional documentation (documents, videos, etc) 5. creating and distributed marketing collateral and other such things 6. testing infrastructure completion and "best-practice" testing examples in the example component 7. adding a comprehensive test suite for the existing OFBiz functionality... Of course, to make things more difficult we are moving toward becoming an ASF project and I don't know if they would host this sort of thing. We could do it on the Undersun server (sponsored by Undersun and Contegix) where everything is hosted now, and it looks like some things will be staying there anyway, so this is probably not a big issue. -David Vinay Agarwal wrote: > Chris, > When can I have that? ;) > Vinay > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] > On Behalf Of Chris Howe > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:15 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list > > > So, uh, hey. I came across this rather flexible open > source framework project called Open for Business a > while back. I'm sure with minimal tweaking it could > provide this functionality as both a forum and a > mailing list. ;) > > > > ======David Jones wrote: > > So, wait, are you talking about the need for > threading, or the idea of doing more granular topics > for different forums (which could also be done with > mailing lists)? There was a discussion about more > granular topics recently, might be of interest. > > For threading, I'd say get a better mail reader ;), > like Thunderbird (which is what I use these days) or > something. > > -David > > > Vinay Agarwal wrote: >> David, >> I feel that forums may actually increase the answers > to questions because >> people like me can answer certain questions while > not all questions. In >> addition, I am personally more interested in some > topics than others. For >> me, emails don't automatically get organized in > threads and, therefore, can >> feel overwhelming at times. Forums, on the other > hand, are always thread >> organized. They normally can send email notification > with an effect similar >> to the mailing list. I was originally thinking about > OFBiz forum but not >> sure if it has all these features. >> Regards, >> Vinay >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org > [mailto:users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org] >> On Behalf Of David E. Jones >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:20 AM >> To: OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base > instead of mailing list >> >> Backing up a little bit... what would be the > benefits of using forums versus >> mailing lists? Or is it forums versus the wiki? >> >> I've seen 2 in these messages so far: >> >> 1. "generally better at organizing information" >> 2. easier to search in a forum >> >> I'm not sure what #1 is supposed to mean, and I'm > not sure that #2 is >> actually true... I'd be interested in hearing other > benefits of using a >> forum... >> >> Unless the forum could be used like a mailing list, > ie get messages in email >> and reply to them with email, then you can use them > all you want, but >> chances are questions won't get many answers because > it will require more >> effort from those that do monitor the lists and > answer questions... >> -David >> >> >> Vinay Agarwal wrote: >>> Jacques, >>> >>> I agree that forums take some administration but it > certainly is less >>> than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin > rights to more >>> people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), > forum administration >>> would not be a problem. The most difficult part > would be to set it up. >>> Regards, >>> >>> Vinay >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org >>> [mailto:users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jacques Le Roux >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM >>> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion >>> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base > instead of mailing >> list >>> >>> >>> Hi Vinay, >>> >>> >>> >>> You certainly guess that this has alreday been > asked in the past. If you >>> search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it > was a lot easier >>> when MLs had an internal search option (and even a > plugin to search from >>> firefox-google field). >>> >>> >>> >>> The other way is to use Google option > "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you >>> have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is > prominent... >>> >>> >>> In think the reason is that it's a lot less time > consuming to admin a ML >>> than forums... Because forums to be good tools must > be regularly >>> administred. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:VinayKAgarwal at > hotmail.com> >>> *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' > <mailto:users at lists.ofbiz.org> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM >>> >>> *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base > instead of mailing >> list >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format > (possibly with a >>> knowledge base) since forums are generally > better at organizing >>> information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit > for this format and, >>> as a result, reduce questions whose answers can > be found easily on >>> the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is > operational, it may be >>> a good test for it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Vinay Agarwal >>> >>> >>> >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Users mailing list >>> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Users mailing list >>> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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Maybe focus on the list items that will help enlarge the community - who will
then provide the resources for the remaining list items. David E. Jones wrote: > Yeah, exactly... This has been discussed a few times, ie creating a forum-like system (extending the current forum stuff...) to be a nice flexible mailing list management type of tool. A lot of infrastructure is actually in place for this now, including stuff to send and process emails. > > The problem is usually that there is a lot to do, and too few resources to do it, so most of what gets into OFBiz is either funded by some paying project, or is a big enough issue to attract attention from contributors in spite of not being paid. > > With what has been developed recently, perhaps we are close enough that this could be a feasible 2-3 day project... Is this more important than other outstanding issues, like: > > 1. fixing outstanding issues... just check out Jira to get a glimpse of this increasingly fun mountain of stuff ;) > 2. library refactoring to eliminate LGPL/GPL libraries > 3. documentation consolidation > 4. writing and producing additional documentation (documents, videos, etc) > 5. creating and distributed marketing collateral and other such things > 6. testing infrastructure completion and "best-practice" testing examples in the example component > 7. adding a comprehensive test suite for the existing OFBiz functionality... > > Of course, to make things more difficult we are moving toward becoming an ASF project and I don't know if they would host this sort of thing. We could do it on the Undersun server (sponsored by Undersun and Contegix) where everything is hosted now, and it looks like some things will be staying there anyway, so this is probably not a big issue. > > -David > > > Vinay Agarwal wrote: > >>Chris, >>When can I have that? ;) >>Vinay >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] >>On Behalf Of Chris Howe >>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:15 PM >>To: [hidden email] >>Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list >> >> >>So, uh, hey. I came across this rather flexible open >>source framework project called Open for Business a >>while back. I'm sure with minimal tweaking it could >>provide this functionality as both a forum and a >>mailing list. ;) >> >> >> >>======David Jones wrote: >> >>So, wait, are you talking about the need for >>threading, or the idea of doing more granular topics >>for different forums (which could also be done with >>mailing lists)? There was a discussion about more >>granular topics recently, might be of interest. >> >>For threading, I'd say get a better mail reader ;), >>like Thunderbird (which is what I use these days) or >>something. >> >>-David >> >> >>Vinay Agarwal wrote: >> >>>David, >>>I feel that forums may actually increase the answers >> >>to questions because >> >>>people like me can answer certain questions while >> >>not all questions. In >> >>>addition, I am personally more interested in some >> >>topics than others. For >> >>>me, emails don't automatically get organized in >> >>threads and, therefore, can >> >>>feel overwhelming at times. Forums, on the other >> >>hand, are always thread >> >>>organized. They normally can send email notification >> >>with an effect similar >> >>>to the mailing list. I was originally thinking about >> >>OFBiz forum but not >> >>>sure if it has all these features. >>>Regards, >>>Vinay >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org >> >>[mailto:users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org] >> >>>On Behalf Of David E. Jones >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:20 AM >>>To: OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion >>>Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base >> >>instead of mailing list >> >>>Backing up a little bit... what would be the >> >>benefits of using forums versus >> >>>mailing lists? Or is it forums versus the wiki? >>> >>>I've seen 2 in these messages so far: >>> >>>1. "generally better at organizing information" >>>2. easier to search in a forum >>> >>>I'm not sure what #1 is supposed to mean, and I'm >> >>not sure that #2 is >> >>>actually true... I'd be interested in hearing other >> >>benefits of using a >> >>>forum... >>> >>>Unless the forum could be used like a mailing list, >> >>ie get messages in email >> >>>and reply to them with email, then you can use them >> >>all you want, but >> >>>chances are questions won't get many answers because >> >>it will require more >> >>>effort from those that do monitor the lists and >> >>answer questions... >> >>>-David >>> >>> >>>Vinay Agarwal wrote: >>> >>>>Jacques, >>>> >>>>I agree that forums take some administration but it >> >>certainly is less >> >>>>than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin >> >>rights to more >> >>>>people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), >> >>forum administration >> >>>>would not be a problem. The most difficult part >> >>would be to set it up. >> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>Vinay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>*From:* users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org >>>>[mailto:users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org] *On >> >>Behalf Of *Jacques Le Roux >> >>>>*Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM >>>>*To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion >>>>*Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base >> >>instead of mailing >> >>>list >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Vinay, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>You certainly guess that this has alreday been >> >>asked in the past. If you >> >>>>search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it >> >>was a lot easier >> >>>>when MLs had an internal search option (and even a >> >>plugin to search from >> >>>>firefox-google field). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The other way is to use Google option >> >>"site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you >> >>>>have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is >> >>prominent... >> >>>> >>>> >>>>In think the reason is that it's a lot less time >> >>consuming to admin a ML >> >>>>than forums... Because forums to be good tools must >> >>be regularly >> >>>>administred. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Jacques >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:VinayKAgarwal at >> >>hotmail.com> >> >>>> *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' >> >><mailto:users at lists.ofbiz.org> >> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM >>>> >>>> *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base >> >>instead of mailing >> >>>list >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format >> >>(possibly with a >> >>>> knowledge base) since forums are generally >> >>better at organizing >> >>>> information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit >> >>for this format and, >> >>>> as a result, reduce questions whose answers can >> >>be found easily on >> >>>> the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is >> >>operational, it may be >> >>>> a good test for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Vinay Agarwal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Users mailing list >>>> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >>>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Users mailing list >>>>Users at lists.ofbiz.org >>>>http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Users mailing list >>>Users at lists.ofbiz.org >>>http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Users mailing list >>>Users at lists.ofbiz.org >>>http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Users mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Users mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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Yes, this is a good approach. Right now my biggest priorities are on the Apache effort and documentation for this reason. And of course, the marketing areas could directly push this direction and really need some attention... Right now the only group marketing effort I'm aware of is being spearheaded by Si and is the booth at the OSCON exhibit in July. This, of course, is a marketing opportunity for the individuals and companies who participate as well as for the project as a whole. Of course, the tricky side to this approach is attracting community members that will contribute to the project. For the most part this excludes "out of the box" users, so that is something that I often consider with marketing efforts for OFBiz. -David Adrian Crum wrote: > Maybe focus on the list items that will help enlarge the community - who will > then provide the resources for the remaining list items. > > > David E. Jones wrote: > >> Yeah, exactly... This has been discussed a few times, ie creating a forum-like system (extending the current forum stuff...) to be a nice flexible mailing list management type of tool. A lot of infrastructure is actually in place for this now, including stuff to send and process emails. >> >> The problem is usually that there is a lot to do, and too few resources to do it, so most of what gets into OFBiz is either funded by some paying project, or is a big enough issue to attract attention from contributors in spite of not being paid. >> >> With what has been developed recently, perhaps we are close enough that this could be a feasible 2-3 day project... Is this more important than other outstanding issues, like: >> >> 1. fixing outstanding issues... just check out Jira to get a glimpse of this increasingly fun mountain of stuff ;) >> 2. library refactoring to eliminate LGPL/GPL libraries >> 3. documentation consolidation >> 4. writing and producing additional documentation (documents, videos, etc) >> 5. creating and distributed marketing collateral and other such things >> 6. testing infrastructure completion and "best-practice" testing examples in the example component >> 7. adding a comprehensive test suite for the existing OFBiz functionality... >> >> Of course, to make things more difficult we are moving toward becoming an ASF project and I don't know if they would host this sort of thing. We could do it on the Undersun server (sponsored by Undersun and Contegix) where everything is hosted now, and it looks like some things will be staying there anyway, so this is probably not a big issue. >> >> -David >> >> >> Vinay Agarwal wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> When can I have that? ;) >>> Vinay >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] >>> On Behalf Of Chris Howe >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:15 PM >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base instead of mailing list >>> >>> >>> So, uh, hey. I came across this rather flexible open >>> source framework project called Open for Business a >>> while back. I'm sure with minimal tweaking it could >>> provide this functionality as both a forum and a >>> mailing list. ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> ======David Jones wrote: >>> >>> So, wait, are you talking about the need for >>> threading, or the idea of doing more granular topics >>> for different forums (which could also be done with >>> mailing lists)? There was a discussion about more >>> granular topics recently, might be of interest. >>> >>> For threading, I'd say get a better mail reader ;), >>> like Thunderbird (which is what I use these days) or >>> something. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> Vinay Agarwal wrote: >>> >>>> David, >>>> I feel that forums may actually increase the answers >>> to questions because >>> >>>> people like me can answer certain questions while >>> not all questions. In >>> >>>> addition, I am personally more interested in some >>> topics than others. For >>> >>>> me, emails don't automatically get organized in >>> threads and, therefore, can >>> >>>> feel overwhelming at times. Forums, on the other >>> hand, are always thread >>> >>>> organized. They normally can send email notification >>> with an effect similar >>> >>>> to the mailing list. I was originally thinking about >>> OFBiz forum but not >>> >>>> sure if it has all these features. >>>> Regards, >>>> Vinay >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org >>> [mailto:users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org] >>> >>>> On Behalf Of David E. Jones >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:20 AM >>>> To: OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion >>>> Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base >>> instead of mailing list >>> >>>> Backing up a little bit... what would be the >>> benefits of using forums versus >>> >>>> mailing lists? Or is it forums versus the wiki? >>>> >>>> I've seen 2 in these messages so far: >>>> >>>> 1. "generally better at organizing information" >>>> 2. easier to search in a forum >>>> >>>> I'm not sure what #1 is supposed to mean, and I'm >>> not sure that #2 is >>> >>>> actually true... I'd be interested in hearing other >>> benefits of using a >>> >>>> forum... >>>> >>>> Unless the forum could be used like a mailing list, >>> ie get messages in email >>> >>>> and reply to them with email, then you can use them >>> all you want, but >>> >>>> chances are questions won't get many answers because >>> it will require more >>> >>>> effort from those that do monitor the lists and >>> answer questions... >>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>> Vinay Agarwal wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jacques, >>>>> >>>>> I agree that forums take some administration but it >>> certainly is less >>> >>>>> than administration of Wiki. If we give forum admin >>> rights to more >>> >>>>> people (committers + regulars on the mailing list), >>> forum administration >>> >>>>> would not be a problem. The most difficult part >>> would be to set it up. >>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Vinay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> *From:* users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org >>>>> [mailto:users-bounces at lists.ofbiz.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Jacques Le Roux >>> >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:12 AM >>>>> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base >>> instead of mailing >>> >>>> list >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Vinay, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You certainly guess that this has alreday been >>> asked in the past. If you >>> >>>>> search in MLs you will find answers. But yes, it >>> was a lot easier >>> >>>>> when MLs had an internal search option (and even a >>> plugin to search from >>> >>>>> firefox-google field). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The other way is to use Google option >>> "site:lists.ofbiz.org" but you >>> >>>>> have to crawl between every ML and svn ml is >>> prominent... >>> >>>>> >>>>> In think the reason is that it's a lot less time >>> consuming to admin a ML >>> >>>>> than forums... Because forums to be good tools must >>> be regularly >>> >>>>> administred. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Vinay Agarwal <mailto:VinayKAgarwal at >>> hotmail.com> >>> >>>>> *To:* 'OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion' >>> <mailto:users at lists.ofbiz.org> >>> >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:19 PM >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* [OFBiz] Users - Forum+Knowledge base >>> instead of mailing >>> >>>> list >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is it worthwhile to switch to forum format >>> (possibly with a >>> >>>>> knowledge base) since forums are generally >>> better at organizing >>> >>>>> information? Many new OFBiz users may benefit >>> for this format and, >>> >>>>> as a result, reduce questions whose answers can >>> be found easily on >>> >>>>> the forum. Also, if OFBiz forum component is >>> operational, it may be >>> >>>>> a good test for it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Vinay Agarwal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Users mailing list >>>>> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >>>>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Users mailing list >>>>> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >>>>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Users mailing list >>>> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >>>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Users mailing list >>>> Users at lists.ofbiz.org >>>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Users mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Users mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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Just to close(?) this thread. May we have a search option on the new ASF ML
lists ? I liked very much the Firefox searchplugin Firas A. proposed. As you can see below, it's easily adaptable to a new ML if a search option is available... Jacques ____________________________________________ # OFBiz Search Plug-in # author: Firas A. <search name = "OFBiz Users Mailing Lists" description = "Search the OFBiz Mailing Lists" searchForm = "http://lists.ofbiz.org/pipermail/users/" action = "http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/mmsearch/users" method = "GET" version = "8.0" > <input name="words" user> <input name="config" value="users"> <input name="method" value="and"> <input name="sort" value="score"> <input name="format" value="short"> <interpret browserResultType = "result" resultListStart = '<hr noshade size="1">' resultListEnd = "<hr noshade size=2>" resultItemStart = "> <strong>" resultItemEnd = "</strong><br>" < </search> ____________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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Jacques Le Roux schrieb:
> Just to close(?) this thread. May we have a search option on the new ASF ML > lists ? I liked very much the Firefox searchplugin Firas A. proposed. The official ASF Mail Archives have no search option (yet) but there are alternatives like Nabble[1] (which already has the OFBiz lists), MARC[2] and The Mail Archive[3]. Christian [1] http://www.nabble.com/OFBiz-f2740.html [2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ [3] http://www.mail-archive.com/ _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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I am revamping my websites after about 10 years. in a folder named ofbiz I found a * meg zip file ofbiz-1.0-beta1-complete.zip dated 11/30/2001 _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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> Jacques Le Roux schrieb:
Thanks a lot Christian,
> > Just to close(?) this thread. May we have a search option on the new ASF ML > > lists ? I liked very much the Firefox searchplugin Firas A. proposed. > > The official ASF Mail Archives have no search option (yet) but there are > alternatives like Nabble[1] (which already has the OFBiz lists), MARC[2] > and The Mail Archive[3]. > > Christian > > [1] http://www.nabble.com/OFBiz-f2740.html > [2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ > [3] http://www.mail-archive.com/ With your information and the original searchplugin from Firas A. I made 3 new searchplugins respectively for All OFBiz ML List (User+Dev+Annonce), User ML and Dev ML. I used Nabble for that. I don't know how far is the history but it works anyway. To use it unzip files and put them in your Firefox's searchplugins dir. For me on Windows it's : C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\searchplugins, on Linux (Ubuntu 5.1) /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/searchplugins Enjoy Jacques _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
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