Users - Wysiwyg Studio for Ofbiz

[DUPOUY Jérôme]

Hi everyone,

I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the development of
 a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has started to
 develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.


 
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[Andrew Sykes]

Jérôme,

See the new forum section of the ecommerce application. Hans has just
checked this in, so you will need the latest svn version.
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[Si Chen-2]

Are you looking for an IDE?  For now, use Eclipse:
http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/ofbiz_eclipse.php

Si

DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the development of
>  a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has started to
>  develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.
>
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[DUPOUY Jérôme]

No, I was looking for a wysiwyg studio to develop easily Screens and Forms (like "Dreamweaver" for HTML :-) ).
I'm going to work on this subject and I would want to know if someone has started to develop this kind of thing. It will accelerate the graphical development. And why not with an eclipse plugin ...
Best regards


Si Chen a écrit :

Are you looking for an IDE?  For now, use Eclipse:
http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/ofbiz_eclipse.php

Si

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Hi everyone,

I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the development of
 a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has started to
 develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.


 
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[Si Chen-2]

Not that I know of...but I sure would like one.  Si

DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:

No, I was looking for a wysiwyg studio to develop easily Screens and Forms (like "Dreamweaver" for HTML :-) ).
I'm going to work on this subject and I would want to know if someone has started to develop this kind of thing. It will accelerate the graphical development. And why not with an eclipse plugin ...
Best regards


Si Chen a écrit :

Are you looking for an IDE?  For now, use Eclipse:
http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/ofbiz_eclipse.php

Si

DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
  

Hi everyone,

I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the development of
 a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has started to
 develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.


 
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[Vinay Agarwal]

Si,

 

I believe wysiwyg editors are available for JSP although I haven’t used one yet. I know JSP works with OFBiz since some of the screens are in JSP.

1. Could that be a way to go for someone (like me) who wants a visual designer? It may require some tweaking or additional code.

2. What was the main reason for choosing FTL over JSP since JSP clearly has more support and tools?

 

Vinay

 

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Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - Wysiwyg Studio for Ofbiz

 

Not that I know of...but I sure would like one.  Si

DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:

No, I was looking for a wysiwyg studio to develop easily Screens and Forms (like "Dreamweaver" for HTML :-) ).
I'm going to work on this subject and I would want to know if someone has started to develop this kind of thing. It will accelerate the graphical development. And why not with an eclipse plugin ...
Best regards


Si Chen a écrit :

Are you looking for an IDE?  For now, use Eclipse:

http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/ofbiz_eclipse.php

Si

DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the development of

 a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has started to

 develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.

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[Andrew Sykes]

Vinay,

JSP generally leads to _lots_ of business logic being implemented in the
wrong place, because people will take shortcuts when developing under
pressure.

FTL doesn't have the same scope to make such a mess.
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[Porter Woodward]

Vinay -

yes it could be a good way to go. Some visual editors also understand
JSP taglibs, and OfBiz has some that ease working with the framework...
Not sure how up-to date they are with the emphasis on FTL and the newer
Widgets system.

The main reason for FTL is execution speed. It's much, much more faster
than JSP. The other reason for FTL is a more enforced separation of code
from display logic. JSPs make it all too easy to mix code in with your
display code. Additionally FTL has some nice features that ease display
of of data - whether using the <#list> tag to iterate over a list, or
testing ?if_exists or ?has_content - as compared to representing those
with the JSP technology that was available at the time.

OTOH - the JSTL and JSF work render some of FTL's (at least as rendering
HTML pages is concerned) features into mere syntactic sugar...

- Porter

Vinay Agarwal wrote:

>
> Si,
>
> I believe wysiwyg editors are available for JSP although I haven’t
> used one yet. I know JSP works with OFBiz since some of the screens
> are in JSP.
>
> 1. Could that be a way to go for someone (like me) who wants a visual
> designer? It may require some tweaking or additional code.
>
> 2. What was the main reason for choosing FTL over JSP since JSP
> clearly has more support and tools?
>
> Vinay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Si Chen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:38 AM
> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Wysiwyg Studio for Ofbiz
>
> Not that I know of...but I sure would like one. Si
>
> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>
> No, I was looking for a wysiwyg studio to develop easily Screens and
> Forms (like "Dreamweaver" for HTML :-) ).
> I'm going to work on this subject and I would want to know if someone
> has started to develop this kind of thing. It will accelerate the
> graphical development. And why not with an eclipse plugin ...
> Best regards
>
>
> Si Chen a écrit :
>
> Are you looking for an IDE?  For now, use Eclipse:
> http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/ofbiz_eclipse.php
>  
> Si
>  
> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>  
>> Hi everyone,
>>  
>> I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the development of
>>  a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has started to
>>  develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.
>>  
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[Si Chen-2]

A practical consideration: I think we're pretty much "married" to FTLs
at this point.  If you're building your own app, sure you can use
whatever you'd like.

Si

Porter Woodward wrote:

> Vinay -
>
> yes it could be a good way to go. Some visual editors also understand
> JSP taglibs, and OfBiz has some that ease working with the
> framework... Not sure how up-to date they are with the emphasis on FTL
> and the newer Widgets system.
>
> The main reason for FTL is execution speed. It's much, much more
> faster than JSP. The other reason for FTL is a more enforced
> separation of code from display logic. JSPs make it all too easy to
> mix code in with your display code. Additionally FTL has some nice
> features that ease display of of data - whether using the <#list> tag
> to iterate over a list, or testing ?if_exists or ?has_content - as
> compared to representing those with the JSP technology that was
> available at the time.
>
> OTOH - the JSTL and JSF work render some of FTL's (at least as
> rendering HTML pages is concerned) features into mere syntactic sugar...
>
> - Porter
>
> Vinay Agarwal wrote:
>>
>> Si,
>>
>> I believe wysiwyg editors are available for JSP although I haven’t
>> used one yet. I know JSP works with OFBiz since some of the screens
>> are in JSP.
>>
>> 1. Could that be a way to go for someone (like me) who wants a visual
>> designer? It may require some tweaking or additional code.
>>
>> 2. What was the main reason for choosing FTL over JSP since JSP
>> clearly has more support and tools?
>>
>> Vinay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Si Chen
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:38 AM
>> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion
>> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Wysiwyg Studio for Ofbiz
>>
>> Not that I know of...but I sure would like one. Si
>>
>> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>>
>> No, I was looking for a wysiwyg studio to develop easily Screens and
>> Forms (like "Dreamweaver" for HTML :-) ).
>> I'm going to work on this subject and I would want to know if someone
>> has started to develop this kind of thing. It will accelerate the
>> graphical development. And why not with an eclipse plugin ...
>> Best regards
>>
>>
>> Si Chen a écrit :
>>
>> Are you looking for an IDE?  For now, use Eclipse:
>> http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/ofbiz_eclipse.php
>>  
>> Si
>>  
>> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>>  
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>  
>>> I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the
>>> development of
>>>  a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has
>>> started to
>>>  develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
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>>> http://lists.ofbizorg/mailman/listinfo/users 
>>> <http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
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[Ashish Vijaywargiya-2]

Hi,

Yes the working in FTL always makes eassy to seprate the business logic from the display code.
I have been working in last project and the use of scriptlets(%%) in jsp always looks frustating.(I know there are some other options in JSP to avoid the usage of scriptlets).
And as Porter said that it is very much faster than JSP-->He is very true on this...Because every JSP page is first converted into Servlet and then display the results(Screens) and i think FTL is better alternative.

Everybody of you can check the feature of FTL and Comparision of FTL Vs JSP from :
http://freemarker.sourceforge.net/docs/app_faq.html#faq_jsp_vs_freemarker
&
http://freemarker.sourceforge.net/features.html

and At last but not least the changes in latest release :
http://freemarker.sourceforge.net/docs/versions_2_3_7rc1.html

Regards
Ashish

[David E. Jones]

A lot of good reasons for using FTL have been described, but the main reason we chose it was pretty simple actually:

1. flexibility

A JSP is not a true templating engine, it must be run through a Serlvet which limits it flexibility for use in non-webapps, and even in webapps it makes it _very_ difficult to write tools to flexibly compose pages from multiple parts (and share/reuse those parts), and to associate external data preparation with the "template". For an example of an early attempt at this, see the regions stuff in OFBiz (still used in the WebTools webapp). The stuff there is a real mess and quite difficult to work with compared to the screen widget, ftl and bsh (or other data prep stuff like services, etc).

-David


Vinay Agarwal wrote:

> Si,
>
>  
>
> I believe wysiwyg editors are available for JSP although I haven’t used
> one yet. I know JSP works with OFBiz since some of the screens are in JSP.
>
> 1. Could that be a way to go for someone (like me) who wants a visual
> designer? It may require some tweaking or additional code.
>
> 2. What was the main reason for choosing FTL over JSP since JSP clearly
> has more support and tools?
>
>  
>
> Vinay
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Si Chen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:38 AM
> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Wysiwyg Studio for Ofbiz
>
>  
>
> Not that I know of...but I sure would like one.  Si
>
> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>
> No, I was looking for a wysiwyg studio to develop easily Screens and
> Forms (like "Dreamweaver" for HTML :-) ).
> I'm going to work on this subject and I would want to know if someone
> has started to develop this kind of thing. It will accelerate the
> graphical development. And why not with an eclipse plugin ...
> Best regards
>
>
> Si Chen a écrit :
>
> Are you looking for an IDE?  For now, use Eclipse:
>
> http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/ofbiz_eclipse.php
>
>  
>
> Si
>
>  
>
> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>
>  
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>  
>> I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the development of
>>  a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has started to
>>  develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> http://lists.ofbizorg/mailman/listinfo/users <http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
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[Florin T.PATRASCU (work)]

Hi there guys,

A bit of off-topic, but the discussions about UI support in OFBiz are
very interesting and I have quite a bit of troubles trying to follow
them and to save them in place for later use. They're going on this list
and on the dev list too and they all are bring valuable information to
this problem. Are there any plans to group these discussions per topic
or somehow? Something like a forum with topics/sections, such as: UI,
entity engine, service engine, application servers ;), domain model,
scripting, etc.? Si?

sorry for off-topic guys!
-florin

Si Chen wrote:

> A practical consideration: I think we're pretty much "married" to FTLs
> at this point.  If you're building your own app, sure you can use
> whatever you'd like.
>
> Si
>
> Porter Woodward wrote:
>  
>> Vinay -
>>
>> yes it could be a good way to go. Some visual editors also understand
>> JSP taglibs, and OfBiz has some that ease working with the
>> framework... Not sure how up-to date they are with the emphasis on FTL
>> and the newer Widgets system.
>>
>> The main reason for FTL is execution speed. It's much, much more
>> faster than JSP. The other reason for FTL is a more enforced
>> separation of code from display logic. JSPs make it all too easy to
>> mix code in with your display code. Additionally FTL has some nice
>> features that ease display of of data - whether using the <#list> tag
>> to iterate over a list, or testing ?if_exists or ?has_content - as
>> compared to representing those with the JSP technology that was
>> available at the time.
>>
>> OTOH - the JSTL and JSF work render some of FTL's (at least as
>> rendering HTML pages is concerned) features into mere syntactic sugar...
>>
>> - Porter
>>
>> Vinay Agarwal wrote:
>>    
>>> Si,
>>>
>>> I believe wysiwyg editors are available for JSP although I haven’t
>>> used one yet. I know JSP works with OFBiz since some of the screens
>>> are in JSP.
>>>
>>> 1. Could that be a way to go for someone (like me) who wants a visual
>>> designer? It may require some tweaking or additional code.
>>>
>>> 2. What was the main reason for choosing FTL over JSP since JSP
>>> clearly has more support and tools?
>>>
>>> Vinay
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* [hidden email]
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Si Chen
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:38 AM
>>> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Wysiwyg Studio for Ofbiz
>>>
>>> Not that I know of...but I sure would like one. Si
>>>
>>> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>>>
>>> No, I was looking for a wysiwyg studio to develop easily Screens and
>>> Forms (like "Dreamweaver" for HTML :-) ).
>>> I'm going to work on this subject and I would want to know if someone
>>> has started to develop this kind of thing. It will accelerate the
>>> graphical development. And why not with an eclipse plugin ...
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Si Chen a écrit :
>>>
>>> Are you looking for an IDE?  For now, use Eclipse:
>>> http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/ofbiz_eclipse.php
>>>  
>>> Si
>>>  
>>> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>>>  
>>>      
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>  
>>>> I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the
>>>> development of
>>>>  a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has
>>>> started to
>>>>  develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>

 
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[David E. Jones]

We tried lists like this at one point, but it didn't work very well, the different topics were _way_ too confusing for people, especially those new to OFBiz...

Actually, even now I'm constantly surprised at how many people don't even understand the distinction between the users and dev lists, ie the difference between using OFBiz and developing OFBiz. Usually the confusion comes in because people are doing development when customizing OFBiz, so they think it should go on the dev list, but it shouldn't because it has nothing to do with the development of OFBiz itself.

Anyway....

-David


Florin T.PATRASCU (work) wrote:

> Hi there guys,
>
> A bit of off-topic, but the discussions about UI support in OFBiz are
> very interesting and I have quite a bit of troubles trying to follow
> them and to save them in place for later use. They're going on this list
> and on the dev list too and they all are bring valuable information to
> this problem. Are there any plans to group these discussions per topic
> or somehow? Something like a forum with topics/sections, such as: UI,
> entity engine, service engine, application servers ;), domain model,
> scripting, etc.? Si?
>
> sorry for off-topic guys!
> -florin
>
> Si Chen wrote:
>> A practical consideration: I think we're pretty much "married" to FTLs
>> at this point.  If you're building your own app, sure you can use
>> whatever you'd like.
>>
>> Si
>>
>> Porter Woodward wrote:
>>  
>>> Vinay -
>>>
>>> yes it could be a good way to go. Some visual editors also understand
>>> JSP taglibs, and OfBiz has some that ease working with the
>>> framework... Not sure how up-to date they are with the emphasis on FTL
>>> and the newer Widgets system.
>>>
>>> The main reason for FTL is execution speed. It's much, much more
>>> faster than JSP. The other reason for FTL is a more enforced
>>> separation of code from display logic. JSPs make it all too easy to
>>> mix code in with your display code. Additionally FTL has some nice
>>> features that ease display of of data - whether using the <#list> tag
>>> to iterate over a list, or testing ?if_exists or ?has_content - as
>>> compared to representing those with the JSP technology that was
>>> available at the time.
>>>
>>> OTOH - the JSTL and JSF work render some of FTL's (at least as
>>> rendering HTML pages is concerned) features into mere syntactic sugar...
>>>
>>> - Porter
>>>
>>> Vinay Agarwal wrote:
>>>    
>>>> Si,
>>>>
>>>> I believe wysiwyg editors are available for JSP although I haven’t
>>>> used one yet. I know JSP works with OFBiz since some of the screens
>>>> are in JSP.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Could that be a way to go for someone (like me) who wants a visual
>>>> designer? It may require some tweaking or additional code.
>>>>
>>>> 2. What was the main reason for choosing FTL over JSP since JSP
>>>> clearly has more support and tools?
>>>>
>>>> Vinay
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> *From:* [hidden email]
>>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Si Chen
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:38 AM
>>>> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Wysiwyg Studio for Ofbiz
>>>>
>>>> Not that I know of...but I sure would like one. Si
>>>>
>>>> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, I was looking for a wysiwyg studio to develop easily Screens and
>>>> Forms (like "Dreamweaver" for HTML :-) ).
>>>> I'm going to work on this subject and I would want to know if someone
>>>> has started to develop this kind of thing. It will accelerate the
>>>> graphical development. And why not with an eclipse plugin ...
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Si Chen a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Are you looking for an IDE?  For now, use Eclipse:
>>>> http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/ofbiz_eclipse.php
>>>>  
>>>> Si
>>>>  
>>>> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>      
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>  
>>>>> I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the
>>>>> development of
>>>>>  a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has
>>>>> started to
>>>>>  develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.
>>>>>  
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[Florin T.PATRASCU (work)]

you're right :(

David E Jones wrote:

> We tried lists like this at one point, but it didn't work very well, the different topics were _way_ too confusing for people, especially those new to OFBiz...
>
> Actually, even now I'm constantly surprised at how many people don't even understand the distinction between the users and dev lists, ie the difference between using OFBiz and developing OFBiz. Usually the confusion comes in because people are doing development when customizing OFBiz, so they think it should go on the dev list, but it shouldn't because it has nothing to do with the development of OFBiz itself.
>
> Anyway....
>
> -David
>
>
> Florin T.PATRASCU (work) wrote:
>  
>> Hi there guys,
>>
>> A bit of off-topic, but the discussions about UI support in OFBiz are
>> very interesting and I have quite a bit of troubles trying to follow
>> them and to save them in place for later use. They're going on this list
>> and on the dev list too and they all are bring valuable information to
>> this problem. Are there any plans to group these discussions per topic
>> or somehow? Something like a forum with topics/sections, such as: UI,
>> entity engine, service engine, application servers ;), domain model,
>> scripting, etc.? Si?
>>
>> sorry for off-topic guys!
>> -florin
>>
>> Si Chen wrote:
>>    
>>> A practical consideration: I think we're pretty much "married" to FTLs
>>> at this point.  If you're building your own app, sure you can use
>>> whatever you'd like.
>>>
>>> Si
>>>
>>> Porter Woodward wrote:
>>>  
>>>      
>>>> Vinay -
>>>>
>>>> yes it could be a good way to go. Some visual editors also understand
>>>> JSP taglibs, and OfBiz has some that ease working with the
>>>> framework... Not sure how up-to date they are with the emphasis on FTL
>>>> and the newer Widgets system.
>>>>
>>>> The main reason for FTL is execution speed. It's much, much more
>>>> faster than JSP. The other reason for FTL is a more enforced
>>>> separation of code from display logic. JSPs make it all too easy to
>>>> mix code in with your display code. Additionally FTL has some nice
>>>> features that ease display of of data - whether using the <#list> tag
>>>> to iterate over a list, or testing ?if_exists or ?has_content - as
>>>> compared to representing those with the JSP technology that was
>>>> available at the time.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH - the JSTL and JSF work render some of FTL's (at least as
>>>> rendering HTML pages is concerned) features into mere syntactic sugar...
>>>>
>>>> - Porter
>>>>
>>>> Vinay Agarwal wrote:
>>>>    
>>>>        
>>>>> Si,
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe wysiwyg editors are available for JSP although I haven’t
>>>>> used one yet. I know JSP works with OFBiz since some of the screens
>>>>> are in JSP.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Could that be a way to go for someone (like me) who wants a visual
>>>>> designer? It may require some tweaking or additional code.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. What was the main reason for choosing FTL over JSP since JSP
>>>>> clearly has more support and tools?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vinay
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> *From:* [hidden email]
>>>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Si Chen
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:38 AM
>>>>> *To:* OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OFBiz] Users - Wysiwyg Studio for Ofbiz
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that I know of...but I sure would like one. Si
>>>>>
>>>>> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I was looking for a wysiwyg studio to develop easily Screens and
>>>>> Forms (like "Dreamweaver" for HTML :-) ).
>>>>> I'm going to work on this subject and I would want to know if someone
>>>>> has started to develop this kind of thing. It will accelerate the
>>>>> graphical development. And why not with an eclipse plugin ...
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Si Chen a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you looking for an IDE?  For now, use Eclipse:
>>>>> http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/ofbiz_eclipse.php
>>>>>  
>>>>> Si
>>>>>  
>>>>> DUPOUY Jérôme wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>      
>>>>>          
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I'm a new ofbiz developer and I have seen old mails about the
>>>>>> development of
>>>>>>  a wysiwyg studio for Ofbiz. I would want to know if someone has
>>>>>> started to
>>>>>>  develop it. In this case, when  will it be available ? Thanks.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>            
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