"Work in Progress" as product type

[brijesh m]

Hi friends,
I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP) was not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?


Thanks
Brijesh M.  

       

[BJ Freeman]

Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
I think of it this way:
 WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until the final
step.

brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
> Hi friends,
> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP) was not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>
>
> Thanks
> Brijesh M.  
>
>        

[BJ Freeman]

By final step I mean all steps completed and you have the finished product.

BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:

> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
> I think of it this way:
>  WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until the final
> step.
>
> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>> Hi friends,
>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP) was not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Brijesh M.  
>>
>>        
>
>
>
>

[brijesh m]

Hi BJ,
the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion task got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some way due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it should get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve it ?

Thanks
Brijesh M.

BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote: By final step I mean all steps completed and you have the finished product.

BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:

> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
> I think of it this way:
>  WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until the final
> step.
>
> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>> Hi friends,
>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP) was not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Brijesh M.  
>>
>>        
>
>
>
>

       

[BJ Freeman]

let me review the docs and code before I put my foot in my mouth.
:)

brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:55 AM:

> Hi BJ,
> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion task got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some way due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it should get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve it ?
>
> Thanks
> Brijesh M.
>
> BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote: By final step I mean all steps completed and you have the finished product.
>
> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>> I think of it this way:
>>  WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until the final
>> step.
>>
>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>> Hi friends,
>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP) was not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Brijesh M.  
>>>
>>>        
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>        

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:

> Hi BJ,
> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the  
> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion task  
> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate  
> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some way  
> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it should  
> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve it ?

You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to answer  
your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you can  
try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their experiences)  
but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve better  
results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service  
providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work for...  
Hotwax Media).

Cheers,

Jacopo

>
>
> Thanks
> Brijesh M.
>
> BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote: By final step I mean all  
> steps completed and you have the finished product.
>
> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>> I think of it this way:
>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until the  
>> final
>> step.
>>
>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>> Hi friends,
>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product  
>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after  
>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP)  
>>> was not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Brijesh M.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[brijesh m]

Hi Jacopo,
thanks for the suggestion I am looking forward to it. But don't you think it was a very elementary problem as far as manufacturing process is concerned and I am trying to solve it through UI first.

Thanks
Brijesh M.

Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:

> Hi BJ,
> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the  
> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion task  
> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate  
> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some way  
> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it should  
> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve it ?

You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to answer  
your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you can  
try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their experiences)  
but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve better  
results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service  
providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work for...  
Hotwax Media).

Cheers,

Jacopo

>
>
> Thanks
> Brijesh M.
>
> BJ Freeman  wrote: By final step I mean all  
> steps completed and you have the finished product.
>
> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>> I think of it this way:
>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until the  
>> final
>> step.
>>
>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>> Hi friends,
>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product  
>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after  
>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP)  
>>> was not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Brijesh M.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

       

[BJ Freeman]

sounds like Hot wax has the the market cornered.
guess you got your answer.
:)


Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:

>
> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>
>> Hi BJ,
>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the
>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion task
>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate
>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some way
>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it should
>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve it ?
>
> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to answer
> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you can
> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their experiences)
> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve better
> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work for...
> Hotwax Media).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacopo
>
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Brijesh M.
>>
>> BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>
>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>> I think of it this way:
>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until the final
>>> step.
>>>
>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>> Hi friends,
>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product
>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP) was
>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[brijesh m]

I am thinking we are on community....... :)

BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote: sounds like Hot wax has the the market cornered.
guess you got your answer.
:)


Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:

>
> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>
>> Hi BJ,
>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the
>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion task
>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate
>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some way
>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it should
>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve it ?
>
> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to answer
> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you can
> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their experiences)
> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve better
> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work for...
> Hotwax Media).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacopo
>
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Brijesh M.
>>
>> BJ Freeman  wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>
>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>> I think of it this way:
>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until the final
>>> step.
>>>
>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>> Hi friends,
>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product
>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP) was
>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

       

[David E Jones]

Community is about taking AND giving and working together to solve  
problems and forward. If you want support on your terms, or in other  
words you won't accept the many helpful replies already given and try  
to understand them and the system better, then community may not work  
for you.

-David


On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:05 PM, brijesh m wrote:

> I am thinking we are on community....... :)
>
> BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote: sounds like Hot wax has the  
> the market cornered.
> guess you got your answer.
> :)
>
>
> Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>
>>> Hi BJ,
>>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the
>>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion task
>>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate
>>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some way
>>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it should
>>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve  
>>> it ?
>>
>> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to  
>> answer
>> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you can
>> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their  
>> experiences)
>> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve better
>> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
>> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work for...
>> Hotwax Media).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Brijesh M.
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman  wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>>> I think of it this way:
>>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
>>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until  
>>>> the final
>>>> step.
>>>>
>>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product
>>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP)  
>>>>> was
>>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

[BJ Freeman]

First I think if someone wants something special or custom, by all means
hire someone, if you want the fastest solution the Author of ofbiz or
someone he trained is the most likely candidate.

However I think there is a fine line when it comes to having the correct
and comprehensive documentation, the the Charging because it is not here.

I point out that David made it very clear the mailing list was to help
as much as we can.

Now I don't think someone should jump in and write the documentation all
at once but as situation are presented they should be documented on the
confluence or worked out in the mailing list.


Just my 2 cents.
BTW that is my only goal by answering here.
to Help.

brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 12:05 PM:

> I am thinking we are on community....... :)
>
> BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote: sounds like Hot wax has the the market cornered.
> guess you got your answer.
> :)
>
>
> Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:
>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>
>>> Hi BJ,
>>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the
>>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion task
>>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate
>>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some way
>>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it should
>>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve it ?
>> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to answer
>> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you can
>> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their experiences)
>> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve better
>> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
>> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work for...
>> Hotwax Media).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Brijesh M.
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman  wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>>> I think of it this way:
>>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
>>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until the final
>>>> step.
>>>>
>>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product
>>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP) was
>>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>        

[brijesh m]

Hi David,
I don't think I have demanded any thing out of the box from the community I have just put forward a simple scenario in front of the community and wants to discuss thats it.

Thanks
Brijesh M.

David E Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:
Community is about taking AND giving and working together to solve  
problems and forward. If you want support on your terms, or in other  
words you won't accept the many helpful replies already given and try  
to understand them and the system better, then community may not work  
for you.

-David


On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:05 PM, brijesh m wrote:

> I am thinking we are on community....... :)
>
> BJ Freeman  wrote: sounds like Hot wax has the  
> the market cornered.
> guess you got your answer.
> :)
>
>
> Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>
>>> Hi BJ,
>>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the
>>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion task
>>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate
>>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some way
>>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it should
>>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve  
>>> it ?
>>
>> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to  
>> answer
>> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you can
>> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their  
>> experiences)
>> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve better
>> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
>> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work for...
>> Hotwax Media).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Brijesh M.
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman  wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>>> I think of it this way:
>>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
>>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until  
>>>> the final
>>>> step.
>>>>
>>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product
>>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP)  
>>>>> was
>>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

       

[David E Jones]

Well, I'm not sure if that's but best way to sum it up, but that's  
only so relevant.

However one would describe how you're going about this, how is it  
working for you?

-David


On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:30 PM, brijesh m wrote:

> Hi David,
> I don't think I have demanded any thing out of the box from the  
> community I have just put forward a simple scenario in front of the  
> community and wants to discuss thats it.
>
> Thanks
> Brijesh M.
>
> David E Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Community is about taking AND giving and working together to solve
> problems and forward. If you want support on your terms, or in other
> words you won't accept the many helpful replies already given and try
> to understand them and the system better, then community may not work
> for you.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:05 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>
>> I am thinking we are on community....... :)
>>
>> BJ Freeman  wrote: sounds like Hot wax has the
>> the market cornered.
>> guess you got your answer.
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi BJ,
>>>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the
>>>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion  
>>>> task
>>>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate
>>>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some  
>>>> way
>>>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it  
>>>> should
>>>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve
>>>> it ?
>>>
>>> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to
>>> answer
>>> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you  
>>> can
>>> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their
>>> experiences)
>>> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve better
>>> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
>>> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work  
>>> for...
>>> Hotwax Media).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman  wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>>>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>>>> I think of it this way:
>>>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though  
>>>>> processes
>>>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until
>>>>> the final
>>>>> step.
>>>>>
>>>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the  
>>>>>> product
>>>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP)
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[BJ Freeman]

There are a couple of ways to look at this.
if someone is benefiting financially from The product, it would seem
those same people could share thier knowledge of how the OTTB system works.
This allowing more people to use the system an probably build more
customers that want to customize.
and I think it is fair that the knowledgeable people can also say it
does not work that way but contact us and we can work out a deal to make
it work that way.


David E Jones sent the following on 7/27/2008 12:17 PM:

>
> Community is about taking AND giving and working together to solve
> problems and forward. If you want support on your terms, or in other
> words you won't accept the many helpful replies already given and try to
> understand them and the system better, then community may not work for you.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:05 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>
>> I am thinking we are on community....... :)
>>
>> BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote: sounds like Hot wax has the
>> the market cornered.
>> guess you got your answer.
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi BJ,
>>>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather the
>>>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion task
>>>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the intermediate
>>>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some way
>>>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it should
>>>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve it ?
>>>
>>> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to answer
>>> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you can
>>> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their experiences)
>>> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve better
>>> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
>>> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work for...
>>> Hotwax Media).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman  wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>>>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>>>> I think of it this way:
>>>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though processes
>>>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until the
>>>>> final
>>>>> step.
>>>>>
>>>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the product
>>>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this product(WIP) was
>>>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

[David E Jones]

On Jul 27, 2008, at 4:59 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:

> There are a couple of ways to look at this.
> if someone is benefiting financially from The product, it would seem
> those same people could share thier knowledge of how the OTTB system  
> works.

I assume you mean "OOTB" (Out-Of-The-Box) and not OTTB (not sure what  
that is).

In any case, I may be wrong but I'm not aware of anyone who benefits  
financially from OFBiz except the end-users of the software, and they  
only benefit financially if they save on licensing fees or  
customization effort relative to other options they might have.

Actually, there is one exception I can think of where a company in  
Canada tried to sell OFBiz pretty must as-is but under a different  
name. I got some interesting messages from a couple of their ticked  
off clients...

There are many service providers, but they don't benefit financially  
from OFBiz itself, they benefit financially from their knowledge of  
OFBiz. What's worse is that hourly effort is actually required in  
order to leverage that knowledge to make money, which is difficult to  
scale and make profitable.

So, don't kid yourself about anyone getting a free ride of some sort  
based on OFBiz...


> This allowing more people to use the system an probably build more
> customers that want to customize.

Let's be realistic about this...

For each thing someone wants done they either need to do it themselves  
or get someone else to do it. If you want to learn all about OFBiz and  
how to manipulate it then doing it yourself and interacting with the  
community is the way to go. If you want someone else to do it then the  
community does do you any good, unless the people you get to do the  
work can effectively collaborate with the community to reduce the  
overall effort required.

If people aren't willing to dive in and understand whatever they can  
and ask directed and well-informed questions, they're going to have a  
hard time with the DIY (do-it-yourself) approach, and will have a hard  
time interacting with the community.

Anyway who thinks they can get someone else to do it by asking for  
free work from other community members will probably be disappointed,  
unless they just happen to have good timing and someone is working on  
something similar anyway.

> and I think it is fair that the knowledgeable people can also say it
> does not work that way but contact us and we can work out a deal to  
> make
> it work that way.

The DIY approach is perfectly valid, and you'll notice that those who  
are serious about this approach get a lot of help and support on the  
mailing list. For everyone else, they're going to have a hard time.

BTW, realistically unless this guy has a fairly sized project and some  
serious cash there aren't many OFBiz service providers who will be  
able to help him. It may be a case where the guy is trying to replace  
a smaller solution for a total budget of like $20k, and chances are  
unless they are doing really simple stuff and are willing to discover  
a lot on their own, then OFBiz is not a good solution for them.

Back to the topic of earning based on knowledge of OFBiz, but not  
deriving income from OFBiz itself, that is turning into a great little  
industry probably topping $100M per year right now (for service  
providers and end-users I'm aware of to one extent or another anyway,  
and realistically it's probably a lot bigger), and it's growing  
rapidly. By sharing with the community and contributing to the project  
one has the opportunity to demonstrate one's knowledge and experience,  
and a lot of people do this and make good money because of it, though  
usually not directly from the people they help through the community.  
It's a great virtuous circle and lots of people benefit from it who  
couldn't in other circumstances.

Does everyone get a free implementation of OFBiz or free features  
added to the project? If only there was a Mark Shuttleworth for OFBiz  
to make that possible, but until then this is a community-driven  
project, and unfortunately pretty much everyone in the community has  
to work for a living, and to be honest it's really working out well  
that way. The project stays grounded in real world requirements  
without a lot of "high falootin'" speculative implementation going on.  
That's something that not many software packages benefit from.

-David

> David E Jones sent the following on 7/27/2008 12:17 PM:
>>
>> Community is about taking AND giving and working together to solve
>> problems and forward. If you want support on your terms, or in other
>> words you won't accept the many helpful replies already given and  
>> try to
>> understand them and the system better, then community may not work  
>> for you.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:05 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>
>>> I am thinking we are on community....... :)
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote: sounds like Hot wax has the
>>> the market cornered.
>>> guess you got your answer.
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi BJ,
>>>>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather  
>>>>> the
>>>>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion  
>>>>> task
>>>>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the  
>>>>> intermediate
>>>>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some  
>>>>> way
>>>>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it  
>>>>> should
>>>>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve  
>>>>> it ?
>>>>
>>>> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to  
>>>> answer
>>>> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you  
>>>> can
>>>> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their  
>>>> experiences)
>>>> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve  
>>>> better
>>>> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
>>>> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work  
>>>> for...
>>>> Hotwax Media).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman  wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>>>>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>>>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>>>>> I think of it this way:
>>>>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though  
>>>>>> processes
>>>>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> final
>>>>>> step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the  
>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this  
>>>>>>> product(WIP) was
>>>>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[Vishalg-2]

Hello All,

i just want to ask, is there any detailed documentation available for ofbiz.

presently i am exploring in HR module, and its really tough to go over application without documentation.

following i was trying to locate,
1. Employee joining,
2. Monthly leaves,
3. monthly payroll processing,
4. time based and performance based incentives,
5. taxation documentation as per india if available,
6. full and final of employee , etc...

it would be great if i can get any document covering the following,

thanks
Vishal


     

[brijesh m]

Hi David,

David E Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Jul 27, 2008, at 4:59 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:

> There are a couple of ways to look at this.
> if someone is benefiting financially from The product, it would seem
> those same people could share thier knowledge of how the OTTB system  
> works.

I assume you mean "OOTB" (Out-Of-The-Box) and not OTTB (not sure what  
that is).

In any case, I may be wrong but I'm not aware of anyone who benefits  
financially from OFBiz except the end-users of the software, and they  
only benefit financially if they save on licensing fees or  
customization effort relative to other options they might have.

Actually, there is one exception I can think of where a company in  
Canada tried to sell OFBiz pretty must as-is but under a different  
name. I got some interesting messages from a couple of their ticked  
off clients...

There are many service providers, but they don't benefit financially  
from OFBiz itself, they benefit financially from their knowledge of  
OFBiz. What's worse is that hourly effort is actually required in  
order to leverage that knowledge to make money, which is difficult to  
scale and make profitable.

So, don't kid yourself about anyone getting a free ride of some sort  
based on OFBiz...


> This allowing more people to use the system an probably build more
> customers that want to customize.

Let's be realistic about this...

For each thing someone wants done they either need to do it themselves  
or get someone else to do it. If you want to learn all about OFBiz and  
how to manipulate it then doing it yourself and interacting with the  
community is the way to go. If you want someone else to do it then the  
community does do you any good, unless the people you get to do the  
work can effectively collaborate with the community to reduce the  
overall effort required.

If people aren't willing to dive in and understand whatever they can  
and ask directed and well-informed questions, they're going to have a  
hard time with the DIY (do-it-yourself) approach, and will have a hard  
time interacting with the community.

Anyway who thinks they can get someone else to do it by asking for  
free work from other community members will probably be disappointed,  
unless they just happen to have good timing and someone is working on  
something similar anyway.

> and I think it is fair that the knowledgeable people can also say it
> does not work that way but contact us and we can work out a deal to  
> make
> it work that way.

The DIY approach is perfectly valid, and you'll notice that those who  
are serious about this approach get a lot of help and support on the  
mailing list. For everyone else, they're going to have a hard time.

BTW, realistically unless this guy has a fairly sized project and some  
serious cash there aren't many OFBiz service providers who will be  
able to help him. It may be a case where the guy is trying to replace  
a smaller solution for a total budget of like $20k, and chances are  
unless they are doing really simple stuff and are willing to discover  
a lot on their own, then OFBiz is not a good solution for them.

Will you elaborate more on this. Whats wrong in discovering a lot  by oneself ? I can explore the things and at the same time discuss it with the community, is anything unethical I am doing. You are getting me wrong I am not compelling anyone to code for me. I just want to share the working knowledge of OFBiz and contribute back if I find something missing which is useful to me.



Thanks
Brijesh M.

Back to the topic of earning based on knowledge of OFBiz, but not  
deriving income from OFBiz itself, that is turning into a great little  
industry probably topping $100M per year right now (for service  
providers and end-users I'm aware of to one extent or another anyway,  
and realistically it's probably a lot bigger), and it's growing  
rapidly. By sharing with the community and contributing to the project  
one has the opportunity to demonstrate one's knowledge and experience,  
and a lot of people do this and make good money because of it, though  
usually not directly from the people they help through the community.  
It's a great virtuous circle and lots of people benefit from it who  
couldn't in other circumstances.

Does everyone get a free implementation of OFBiz or free features  
added to the project? If only there was a Mark Shuttleworth for OFBiz  
to make that possible, but until then this is a community-driven  
project, and unfortunately pretty much everyone in the community has  
to work for a living, and to be honest it's really working out well  
that way. The project stays grounded in real world requirements  
without a lot of "high falootin'" speculative implementation going on.  
That's something that not many software packages benefit from.

-David

> David E Jones sent the following on 7/27/2008 12:17 PM:
>>
>> Community is about taking AND giving and working together to solve
>> problems and forward. If you want support on your terms, or in other
>> words you won't accept the many helpful replies already given and  
>> try to
>> understand them and the system better, then community may not work  
>> for you.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:05 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>
>>> I am thinking we are on community....... :)
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman  wrote: sounds like Hot wax has the
>>> the market cornered.
>>> guess you got your answer.
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo Cappellato sent the following on 7/27/2008 11:39 AM:
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:55 PM, brijesh m wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi BJ,
>>>>> the thing is that WIP never ever goes to the inventory wheather  
>>>>> the
>>>>> whole process is completed or just its corresponding completion  
>>>>> task
>>>>> got completed. My query is that I have to generate the  
>>>>> intermediate
>>>>> product so that if my successive task is not able to run by some  
>>>>> way
>>>>> due to some disturbances in my facility(in real time) then it  
>>>>> should
>>>>> get stored as an inventory for the future use. How can i achieve  
>>>>> it ?
>>>>
>>>> You may use different product ids... however it is difficult to  
>>>> answer
>>>> your questions without an accurate requirements analysis, but you  
>>>> can
>>>> try to find a solution (and maybe others will share their  
>>>> experiences)
>>>> but if you want to speed up the process (and probably achieve  
>>>> better
>>>> results) I'd suggest to contact one of the professional service
>>>> providers for OFBiz (for example, the company for which I work  
>>>> for...
>>>> Hotwax Media).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman  wrote: By final step I mean all steps
>>>>> completed and you have the finished product.
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/27/2008 10:18 AM:
>>>>>> Though Jacopo gave you the technical answer
>>>>>> I think of it this way:
>>>>>> WIP as a parts on a cart or conveyor belt that got though  
>>>>>> processes
>>>>>> before they are finished. so they don't go to inventory, until  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> final
>>>>>> step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> brijesh m sent the following on 7/27/2008 5:00 AM:
>>>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>>>> I have given the status of "work in progress"(WIP)  to the  
>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>> in the intermediate stage of my manufacturing process. But after
>>>>>>> completion of its corresponding producing task this  
>>>>>>> product(WIP) was
>>>>>>> not incremented in inventory. Is there any way out ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Brijesh M.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

       

[Jacopo Cappellato-3]

Hi Brijesh,

On Jul 28, 2008, at 9:51 AM, brijesh m wrote:
> Will you elaborate more on this. Whats wrong in discovering a lot  
> by oneself ? I can explore the things and at the same time discuss  
> it with the community, is anything unethical I am doing. You are  
> getting me wrong I am not compelling anyone to code for me. I just  
> want to share the working knowledge of OFBiz and contribute back if  
> I find something missing which is useful to me.
>

Of course you are free to do all the research and questions you want.
However, based on my experience, in order to successfully configure  
(or customize) OFBiz to fit the manufacturing requirements of the  
company you are (most likely) working for you will have to study a  
lot, read very well the hints received by others (me included) in the  
mailing list and don't expect to have someone guiding you thru your  
requirements because this requires a lot of time and few people/
companies are in the position to do this for free.
I must admit that there is something in your messages that annoys me:  
it is the message that I can summarize with "What I want to do is  
simple, I can't believe that OFBiz cannot do this"; if you are not  
able, even with the hints received by the mailing list, to  
successfully configure your system, most likely there are two reasons:
1) what you want to do is not as standard as you think it is (so you  
have to customize or extend the system)
2) your knowledge of the setup of manufacturing processes in ERP  
systems in general (and OFBiz in particular) is not deep enough to get  
the best out of your efforts and the hints from the mailing lists
If you say that you cannot accomplish a simple manufacturing process,  
others may get the message that OFBiz cannot handle a simple  
manufacturing process (which is not true).

Cheers,

Jacopo

[Jacques Le Roux]

This applications is fairly recent, so I doubt there are much documentation yet. You may find some in user ML though.

Jacques

From: "vishal gupta" <[hidden email]>

> Hello All,
>
> i just want to ask, is there any detailed documentation available for ofbiz.
>
> presently i am exploring in HR module, and its really tough to go over application without documentation.
>
> following i was trying to locate,
> 1. Employee joining,
> 2. Monthly leaves,
> 3. monthly payroll processing,
> 4. time based and performance based incentives,
> 5. taxation documentation as per india if available,
> 6. full and final of employee , etc...
>
> it would be great if i can get any document covering the following,
>
> thanks
> Vishal
>
>
>
>

[Vishalg-2]

Thanks Jacques, but do you have any idea of payroll processing, it is implemented or not. i am going thru the application and able to create all the things needed for HR but not able to find any way to process monthly salary.


--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: HR Process
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:15 PM
> This applications is fairly recent, so I doubt there are
> much documentation yet. You may find some in user ML
> though.
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "vishal gupta"
> <[hidden email]>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > i just want to ask, is there any detailed
> documentation available for ofbiz.
> >
> > presently i am exploring in HR module, and its really
> tough to go over application without documentation.
> >
> > following i was trying to locate,
> > 1. Employee joining,
> > 2. Monthly leaves,
> > 3. monthly payroll processing,
> > 4. time based and performance based incentives,
> > 5. taxation documentation as per india if available,
> > 6. full and final of employee , etc...
> >
> > it would be great if i can get any document covering
> the following,
> >
> > thanks
> > Vishal
> >
> >
> >
> >