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What do you mean by "being created"? There isn't really anything that automatically creates shipments, unless a human does it through some UI like the shipment or packing screens (or a service or something was written to automatically do it somehow). -David On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: > It appears that shipments are being created with out of stock items > in an implementation we are doing. I am guessing this is due to > product store settings, not a code issue. > rev = 545314 > check inventory=Y > reserve inventory=Y > require inventory=N > > All products are finished goods (no digital or virtual) > > Thanks for any help. > > -- > Dave Tenerowicz > [hidden email] > > Office: 303.493.6727 > Mobile 303.906.6116 > Fax 303.814.8330 > > Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com > For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ > ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices > |
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Well, there ya go! The quick ship order stuff doesn't check stock levels... -David On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: > Yes, I should have mentioned that we created a new service to > automatically create shipments. It calls quickShipOrder as part of > it's processing. > -Dave > > David E Jones wrote: >> >> What do you mean by "being created"? >> >> There isn't really anything that automatically creates shipments, >> unless a human does it through some UI like the shipment or >> packing screens (or a service or something was written to >> automatically do it somehow). >> >> -David >> >> >> On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >> >>> It appears that shipments are being created with out of stock >>> items in an implementation we are doing. I am guessing this is >>> due to product store settings, not a code issue. >>> rev = 545314 >>> check inventory=Y >>> reserve inventory=Y >>> require inventory=N >>> >>> All products are finished goods (no digital or virtual) >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Tenerowicz >>> [hidden email] >>> >>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>> >>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>> >> > > -- > Dave Tenerowicz > [hidden email] > > Office: 303.493.6727 > Mobile 303.906.6116 > Fax 303.814.8330 > > Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com > For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ > ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices > |
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On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:41 AM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: > The more I think about this, it seems inappropriate for an ERP > system to allow this. Why would the quick ship service allow a user > to charge a customers credit card and "ship" a physical product > that the system "knew" was not available? For some users the system doesn't know everything... > Before charging the card, the sales person would want to confirm > that the goods were actually available. Once this was confirmed, it > would take a facility worker 30 seconds to adjust the inventory, > leaving an audit trail etc. Yes, but not everyone wants to use it this way. > To me this seems like a JIRA issue, which should be fixed. > > I'll submit the issue and we'll submit a fix. It will most likely be rejected. -David > Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >> Thank you! >> >> David E Jones wrote: >>> >>> Well, there ya go! >>> >>> The quick ship order stuff doesn't check stock levels... >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, I should have mentioned that we created a new service to >>>> automatically create shipments. It calls quickShipOrder as part >>>> of it's processing. >>>> -Dave >>>> >>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What do you mean by "being created"? >>>>> >>>>> There isn't really anything that automatically creates >>>>> shipments, unless a human does it through some UI like the >>>>> shipment or packing screens (or a service or something was >>>>> written to automatically do it somehow). >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It appears that shipments are being created with out of stock >>>>>> items in an implementation we are doing. I am guessing this is >>>>>> due to product store settings, not a code issue. >>>>>> rev = 545314 >>>>>> check inventory=Y >>>>>> reserve inventory=Y >>>>>> require inventory=N >>>>>> >>>>>> All products are finished goods (no digital or virtual) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for any help. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> >>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>>>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>> [hidden email] >>>> >>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>> >>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>>> >>> >> > > -- > Dave Tenerowicz > [hidden email] > > Office: 303.493.6727 > Mobile 303.906.6116 > Fax 303.814.8330 > > Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com > For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ > ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices > |
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Wow, in a friendly mood today aren't we? Don't be so quick to judge people. Keep in mind that OFBiz supports companies that don't track inventory in OFBiz, and currently most companies don't do book keeping in OFBiz. It doesn't mean it's sloppy or bad or from malicious intent or that the people who want to do things this way are incompetent, or that the analysts who designed it or developers who created it are incompetent. OFBiz is a collaborative community working together to create a system that can be used (hopefully without too much customization) in a wide variety of businesses and a wide variety of requirements for interactions with other systems and such. Please try not to undermine that. It is the foundation of this effort. If you want something done about this, please frame it in that light. -David On Oct 24, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Skip wrote: > Dave > > I agree that this is a big hole/bug. On the other hand, there are > folks who > don't mind/prefer the sloppiness (I have a customer just like > that). So, > perhaps we could use a property to define the behavior, like: > > ilikesloppybookkeeping=true/false (tongue in cheek) > > However, I would be happy to collaborate to get this done. I want > requirements and automatic backorders issued for out of stock etc > for quick > ship. I was just about to start work on this. We could modify the > existing > service to look for a property and if it exists, do the better > bookkeeping / > automatic ordering. > > This is a hole for me because if my customer has a customer at the > counter > and is selling him some stuff and part of it is on back order, he > has to > exit out of the sales order screen and go to the shipping screen to > get it > all done right. It's a pain and will happen 10 times a day for > him. Fixing > the quickship will take care of it. > > Maybe with the configurable property, the muckity-mucks won't be so > reluctant to accept it. > > Skip > > -----Original Message----- > From: David E Jones [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:24 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items > > > > On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:41 AM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: > >> The more I think about this, it seems inappropriate for an ERP >> system to allow this. Why would the quick ship service allow a user >> to charge a customers credit card and "ship" a physical product >> that the system "knew" was not available? > > For some users the system doesn't know everything... > >> Before charging the card, the sales person would want to confirm >> that the goods were actually available. Once this was confirmed, it >> would take a facility worker 30 seconds to adjust the inventory, >> leaving an audit trail etc. > > Yes, but not everyone wants to use it this way. > >> To me this seems like a JIRA issue, which should be fixed. >> >> I'll submit the issue and we'll submit a fix. > > It will most likely be rejected. > > -David > > >> Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>> Thank you! >>> >>> David E Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, there ya go! >>>> >>>> The quick ship order stuff doesn't check stock levels... >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, I should have mentioned that we created a new service to >>>>> automatically create shipments. It calls quickShipOrder as part >>>>> of it's processing. >>>>> -Dave >>>>> >>>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you mean by "being created"? >>>>>> >>>>>> There isn't really anything that automatically creates >>>>>> shipments, unless a human does it through some UI like the >>>>>> shipment or packing screens (or a service or something was >>>>>> written to automatically do it somehow). >>>>>> >>>>>> -David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It appears that shipments are being created with out of stock >>>>>>> items in an implementation we are doing. I am guessing this is >>>>>>> due to product store settings, not a code issue. >>>>>>> rev = 545314 >>>>>>> check inventory=Y >>>>>>> reserve inventory=Y >>>>>>> require inventory=N >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All products are finished goods (no digital or virtual) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for any help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>>>>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>> >>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Dave Tenerowicz >> [hidden email] >> >> Office: 303.493.6727 >> Mobile 303.906.6116 >> Fax 303.814.8330 >> >> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >> > > |
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I'm not sure I totally understand what you're looking at BJ... This may very well make sense as a configuration flag, either for a ProductStore or for a Facility, so specify whether or not shipping without inventory in stock is allowed. The Quick Ship Entire Order service would be affected by this, as would certain other things. The best place to implement it is probably in the issue order item to shipment service (the one that creates the ItemIssuance records). That's what actually takes thing out of stock (ie does the stock out). -David On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:05 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: > if the inventory supplier is a dropshipper would be the consideration. > since you can have many suppliers for a product, you could have a > supplier you order from for your local supplier and a drop shipper > as well. > this would come under a scenario of determining best cost and delivery > of the product which is part of ERP. > > So I don't think a simple flag is the answer. > > > Skip sent the following on 10/24/2007 3:33 PM: >> BJ >> >> No, I have considered only my own needs. However, a property which >> determines the behavior satisfies both camps. >> >> Skip >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BJ Freeman [mailto:[hidden email]] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:27 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items >> >> >> Skip have you consider the sequence for a dropshipper, and some >> fulfillment houses. >> you don't have their inventory. >> >> Skip sent the following on 10/24/2007 1:09 PM: >>> Dave >>> >>> I agree that this is a big hole/bug. On the other hand, there >>> are folks >> who >>> don't mind/prefer the sloppiness (I have a customer just like >>> that). So, >>> perhaps we could use a property to define the behavior, like: >>> >>> ilikesloppybookkeeping=true/false (tongue in cheek) >>> >>> However, I would be happy to collaborate to get this done. I want >>> requirements and automatic backorders issued for out of stock etc >>> for >> quick >>> ship. I was just about to start work on this. We could modify the >> existing >>> service to look for a property and if it exists, do the better >>> bookkeeping >> / >>> automatic ordering. >>> >>> This is a hole for me because if my customer has a customer at >>> the counter >>> and is selling him some stuff and part of it is on back order, he >>> has to >>> exit out of the sales order screen and go to the shipping screen >>> to get it >>> all done right. It's a pain and will happen 10 times a day for him. >> Fixing >>> the quickship will take care of it. >>> >>> Maybe with the configurable property, the muckity-mucks won't be so >>> reluctant to accept it. >>> >>> Skip >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David E Jones [mailto:[hidden email]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:24 PM >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:41 AM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>> >>>> The more I think about this, it seems inappropriate for an ERP >>>> system to allow this. Why would the quick ship service allow a user >>>> to charge a customers credit card and "ship" a physical product >>>> that the system "knew" was not available? >>> For some users the system doesn't know everything... >>> >>>> Before charging the card, the sales person would want to confirm >>>> that the goods were actually available. Once this was confirmed, it >>>> would take a facility worker 30 seconds to adjust the inventory, >>>> leaving an audit trail etc. >>> Yes, but not everyone wants to use it this way. >>> >>>> To me this seems like a JIRA issue, which should be fixed. >>>> >>>> I'll submit the issue and we'll submit a fix. >>> It will most likely be rejected. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>>> Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>> Thank you! >>>>> >>>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>>> Well, there ya go! >>>>>> >>>>>> The quick ship order stuff doesn't check stock levels... >>>>>> >>>>>> -David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, I should have mentioned that we created a new service to >>>>>>> automatically create shipments. It calls quickShipOrder as part >>>>>>> of it's processing. >>>>>>> -Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>>>>> What do you mean by "being created"? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There isn't really anything that automatically creates >>>>>>>> shipments, unless a human does it through some UI like the >>>>>>>> shipment or packing screens (or a service or something was >>>>>>>> written to automatically do it somehow). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It appears that shipments are being created with out of stock >>>>>>>>> items in an implementation we are doing. I am guessing this is >>>>>>>>> due to product store settings, not a code issue. >>>>>>>>> rev = 545314 >>>>>>>>> check inventory=Y >>>>>>>>> reserve inventory=Y >>>>>>>>> require inventory=N >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All products are finished goods (no digital or virtual) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>>>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>>>>>>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>>>>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>> [hidden email] >>>> >>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>> >>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> |
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