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The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old.
The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian |
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IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/
Jacques From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. > > The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. > Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. > > After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired > accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions > were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. > It just works. > > Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the > other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. > > If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. > > Let me know what you think. > > -Adrian |
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I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a
few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind ..... :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> > IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. > I have no ideas though :/ > > Jacques > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > > The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >> >> The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of >> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of >> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more >> interesting. >> >> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout >> (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size >> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl >> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in >> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all >> else fails. It just works. >> >> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make >> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm >> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and >> javascripts would be maintained. >> >> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also >> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >> >> Let me know what you think. >> >> -Adrian >> > > > -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de |
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I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the "chiclet" main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column.
-Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme > To: [hidden email], "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> > Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM > I really would appreciate to keep the > Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a > few visual improvements. > Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind > ..... :-) > > Cheers > > 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> > > > IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES > to keep it, of course. > > I have no ideas though :/ > > > > Jacques > > > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > > > > The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. > >> > >> The current version of the theme is based on the > original look and feel of > >> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in > 2004. Around the Spring of > >> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the > original style a little more > >> interesting. > >> > >> After that, the visual theme was converted to a > floating flexible layout > >> (to fit any size screen), it was made > sight-impaired accessible (font size > >> can be changed), and it added support for > bi-directional layout (for rtl > >> languages). Those design decisions were made by > the OFBiz community and, in > >> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme > the fallback theme when all > >> else fails. It just works. > >> > >> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would > like to update it to make > >> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over > the other themes. I'm > >> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. > The current templates and > >> javascripts would be maintained. > >> > >> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help > out. I would also > >> appreciate any suggestions or comments. > >> > >> Let me know what you think. > >> > >> -Adrian > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Sascha Rodekamp > Lynx-Consulting GmbH > Johanniskirchplatz 6 > D-33615 Bielefeld > http://www.lynx.de > |
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By "chiclet" main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages
to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the "chiclet" >main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. > > -Adrian > > --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >> To: [hidden email], "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >> I really would appreciate to keep the >> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >> few visual improvements. >> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind >> ..... :-) >> >> Cheers >> >> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >> >> > IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES >> to keep it, of course. >> > I have no ideas though :/ >> > >> > Jacques >> > >> > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >> > >> > The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >> >> >> >> The current version of the theme is based on the >> original look and feel of >> >> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in >> 2004. Around the Spring of >> >> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the >> original style a little more >> >> interesting. >> >> >> >> After that, the visual theme was converted to a >> floating flexible layout >> >> (to fit any size screen), it was made >> sight-impaired accessible (font size >> >> can be changed), and it added support for >> bi-directional layout (for rtl >> >> languages). Those design decisions were made by >> the OFBiz community and, in >> >> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme >> the fallback theme when all >> >> else fails. It just works. >> >> >> >> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would >> like to update it to make >> >> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over >> the other themes. I'm >> >> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. >> The current templates and >> >> javascripts would be maintained. >> >> >> >> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help >> out. I would also >> >> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >> >> >> >> Let me know what you think. >> >> >> >> -Adrian >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Sascha Rodekamp >> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >> D-33615 Bielefeld >> http://www.lynx.de >> > > > > |
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Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows.
-Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: > By "chiclet" main navigation style, > you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as > it is (because there are advantages > to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... > > Jacques > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo > and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of > the "chiclet" > >main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a > collapsible left column. > > > > -Adrian > > > > --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > >> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> > >> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme > >> To: [hidden email], > "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> > >> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM > >> I really would appreciate to keep the > >> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a > >> few visual improvements. > >> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to > my mind > >> ..... :-) > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> > >> > >> > IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a > big YES > >> to keep it, of course. > >> > I have no ideas though :/ > >> > > >> > Jacques > >> > > >> > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >> > > >> > The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. > >> >> > >> >> The current version of the theme is based > on the > >> original look and feel of > >> >> OFBiz when I first joined the community - > back in > >> 2004. Around the Spring of > >> >> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make > the > >> original style a little more > >> >> interesting. > >> >> > >> >> After that, the visual theme was > converted to a > >> floating flexible layout > >> >> (to fit any size screen), it was made > >> sight-impaired accessible (font size > >> >> can be changed), and it added support > for > >> bi-directional layout (for rtl > >> >> languages). Those design decisions were > made by > >> the OFBiz community and, in > >> >> my opinion, continue to make the Flat > Grey theme > >> the fallback theme when all > >> >> else fails. It just works. > >> >> > >> >> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I > would > >> like to update it to make > >> >> it more modern, but maintain its > advantages over > >> the other themes. I'm > >> >> thinking it only needs css and gif file > updates. > >> The current templates and > >> >> javascripts would be maintained. > >> >> > >> >> If anyone is interested, they are welcome > to help > >> out. I would also > >> >> appreciate any suggestions or comments. > >> >> > >> >> Let me know what you think. > >> >> > >> >> -Adrian > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sascha Rodekamp > >> Lynx-Consulting GmbH > >> Johanniskirchplatz 6 > >> D-33615 Bielefeld > >> http://www.lynx.de > >> > > > > > > > > > > > |
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IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run.
As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 [hidden email] On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. > > -Adrian > > --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: >> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >> it is (because there are advantages >> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >> the "chiclet" >>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >> collapsible left column. >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>> To: [hidden email], >> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>> few visual improvements. >>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >> my mind >>>> ..... :-) >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a >> big YES >>>> to keep it, of course. >>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>> >>>>>> The current version of the theme is based >> on the >>>> original look and feel of >>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - >> back in >>>> 2004. Around the Spring of >>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make >> the >>>> original style a little more >>>>>> interesting. >>>>>> >>>>>> After that, the visual theme was >> converted to a >>>> floating flexible layout >>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>> can be changed), and it added support >> for >>>> bi-directional layout (for rtl >>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were >> made by >>>> the OFBiz community and, in >>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat >> Grey theme >>>> the fallback theme when all >>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>> >>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I >> would >>>> like to update it to make >>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its >> advantages over >>>> the other themes. I'm >>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file >> updates. >>>> The current templates and >>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome >> to help >>>> out. I would also >>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>> http://www.lynx.de >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > |
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I would like to throw out the idea we keep flat grey as a test layout.
this is the one I use for ui testing with Selenium. so if you improve it save the current one as Selenium theme. ========================= BJ Freeman Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/3/2011 10:39 AM: > IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. > > As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. > > Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... > > Ryan L. Foster > 801.671.0769 > [hidden email] > > On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > >> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. >> >> -Adrian >> >> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux<[hidden email]> wrote: >>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>> it is (because there are advantages >>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "Adrian Crum"<[hidden email]> >>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>> the "chiclet" >>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>> collapsible left column. >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp<[hidden email]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp<[hidden email]> >>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>> To: [hidden email], >>> "Jacques Le Roux"<[hidden email]> >>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>> my mind >>>>> ..... :-) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux<[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a >>> big YES >>>>> to keep it, of course. >>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<[hidden email]> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based >>> on the >>>>> original look and feel of >>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - >>> back in >>>>> 2004. Around the Spring of >>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make >>> the >>>>> original style a little more >>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was >>> converted to a >>>>> floating flexible layout >>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support >>> for >>>>> bi-directional layout (for rtl >>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were >>> made by >>>>> the OFBiz community and, in >>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat >>> Grey theme >>>>> the fallback theme when all >>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I >>> would >>>>> like to update it to make >>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its >>> advantages over >>>>> the other themes. I'm >>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file >>> updates. >>>>> The current templates and >>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome >>> to help >>>>> out. I would also >>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>> http://www.lynx.de >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > |
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That's great news Ryan - I can't wait to see the new theme!
It's good to know you're willing to help with Flat Grey - I'm no graphics artist. As far as updating Flay Grey - I can create a Jira issue and you can supply patches if you like. I really don't have much to say in addition to what I've said on the mailing list. Maybe the location of the main navigation tab bar can be controlled by a user setting - top, left, or right. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ryan Foster <[hidden email]> wrote: > IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat > Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey > theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very > dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another > improved version, let's just improve the version we have > now. I think that is more efficient and more > beneficial in the long run. > > As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, > tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look > like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible > displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be > happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have > some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you > want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list > discussion. > > Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can > use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a > new theme I have been working on already for some time now > that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for > scalability and customization, and that will eventually > replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme > scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for > maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for > more details in the next few days... > > Ryan L. Foster > 801.671.0769 > [hidden email] > > On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > > > Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs > look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible > when they are displayed in two rows. > > > > -Adrian > > > > --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> By "chiclet" main navigation style, > >> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep > Flat Grey as > >> it is (because there are advantages > >> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... > >> > >> Jacques > >> > >> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >>> I was thinking we could use colors from the > Apache logo > >> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to > get rid of > >> the "chiclet" > >>> main navigation style, and maybe have that > menu in a > >> collapsible left column. > >>> > >>> -Adrian > >>> > >>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> > >>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual > Theme > >>>> To: [hidden email], > >> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> > >>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM > >>>> I really would appreciate to keep the > >>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a > >>>> few visual improvements. > >>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink > comes to > >> my mind > >>>> ..... :-) > >>>> > >>>> Cheers > >>>> > >>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> > >>>> > >>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL > capable. So a > >> big YES > >>>> to keep it, of course. > >>>>> I have no ideas though :/ > >>>>> > >>>>> Jacques > >>>>> > >>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >>>>> > >>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting > old. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The current version of the theme > is based > >> on the > >>>> original look and feel of > >>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the > community - > >> back in > >>>> 2004. Around the Spring of > >>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to > make > >> the > >>>> original style a little more > >>>>>> interesting. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> After that, the visual theme was > >> converted to a > >>>> floating flexible layout > >>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was > made > >>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size > >>>>>> can be changed), and it added > support > >> for > >>>> bi-directional layout (for rtl > >>>>>> languages). Those design decisions > were > >> made by > >>>> the OFBiz community and, in > >>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the > Flat > >> Grey theme > >>>> the fallback theme when all > >>>>>> else fails. It just works. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks > dated. I > >> would > >>>> like to update it to make > >>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its > >> advantages over > >>>> the other themes. I'm > >>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif > file > >> updates. > >>>> The current templates and > >>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are > welcome > >> to help > >>>> out. I would also > >>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or > comments. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Let me know what you think. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Adrian > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Sascha Rodekamp > >>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH > >>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 > >>>> D-33615 Bielefeld > >>>> http://www.lynx.de > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > |
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I don't think the markup will change that much - if at all. My hope is we will only need to change the style sheets and gif files.
-Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote: > I would like to throw out the idea we > keep flat grey as a test layout. > this is the one I use for ui testing with Selenium. > > so if you improve it save the current one as Selenium > theme. > > > > ========================= > BJ Freeman > Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation > <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> > Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> > Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist > > Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man > Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/3/2011 10:39 AM: > > > IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" > theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had > a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It > needs some love. Let's not add another improved > version, let's just improve the version we have now. I > think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long > run. > > > > As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, > tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look > like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible > displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be > happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have > some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you > want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list > discussion. > > > > Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I > can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser > about a new theme I have been working on already for some > time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme > for scalability and customization, and that will eventually > replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme > scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for > maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for > more details in the next few days... > > > > Ryan L. Foster > > 801.671.0769 > > [hidden email] > > > > On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > > > >> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs > look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible > when they are displayed in two rows. > >> > >> -Adrian > >> > >> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux<[hidden email]> > wrote: > >>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, > >>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep > Flat Grey as > >>> it is (because there are advantages > >>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey > evolution... > >>> > >>> Jacques > >>> > >>> From: "Adrian Crum"<[hidden email]> > >>>> I was thinking we could use colors from > the Apache logo > >>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like > to get rid of > >>> the "chiclet" > >>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that > menu in a > >>> collapsible left column. > >>>> > >>>> -Adrian > >>>> > >>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp<[hidden email]> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp<[hidden email]> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey > Visual Theme > >>>>> To: [hidden email], > >>> "Jacques Le Roux"<[hidden email]> > >>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 > AM > >>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the > >>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs > a > >>>>> few visual improvements. > >>>>> Let me think about this, maybe > somethink comes to > >>> my mind > >>>>> ..... :-) > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> > >>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux<[hidden email]> > >>>>> > >>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL > capable. So a > >>> big YES > >>>>> to keep it, of course. > >>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jacques > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<[hidden email]> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is > getting old. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The current version of the > theme is based > >>> on the > >>>>> original look and feel of > >>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the > community - > >>> back in > >>>>> 2004. Around the Spring of > >>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient > gifs to make > >>> the > >>>>> original style a little more > >>>>>>> interesting. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> After that, the visual theme > was > >>> converted to a > >>>>> floating flexible layout > >>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it > was made > >>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size > >>>>>>> can be changed), and it added > support > >>> for > >>>>> bi-directional layout (for rtl > >>>>>>> languages). Those design > decisions were > >>> made by > >>>>> the OFBiz community and, in > >>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make > the Flat > >>> Grey theme > >>>>> the fallback theme when all > >>>>>>> else fails. It just works. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it > looks dated. I > >>> would > >>>>> like to update it to make > >>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain > its > >>> advantages over > >>>>> the other themes. I'm > >>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and > gif file > >>> updates. > >>>>> The current templates and > >>>>>>> javascripts would be > maintained. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they > are welcome > >>> to help > >>>>> out. I would also > >>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or > comments. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Let me know what you think. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Adrian > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Sascha Rodekamp > >>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH > >>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 > >>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld > >>>>> http://www.lynx.de > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > |
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That sounds great. Create the issue and send me a link to it and I'll get to work.
Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 [hidden email] On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > That's great news Ryan - I can't wait to see the new theme! > > It's good to know you're willing to help with Flat Grey - I'm no graphics artist. As far as updating Flay Grey - I can create a Jira issue and you can supply patches if you like. I really don't have much to say in addition to what I've said on the mailing list. > > Maybe the location of the main navigation tab bar can be controlled by a user setting - top, left, or right. > > -Adrian > > --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ryan Foster <[hidden email]> wrote: >> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat >> Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey >> theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very >> dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another >> improved version, let's just improve the version we have >> now. I think that is more efficient and more >> beneficial in the long run. >> >> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, >> tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look >> like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible >> displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be >> happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have >> some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you >> want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >> discussion. >> >> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can >> use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a >> new theme I have been working on already for some time now >> that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for >> scalability and customization, and that will eventually >> replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme >> scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for >> maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for >> more details in the next few days... >> >> Ryan L. Foster >> 801.671.0769 >> [hidden email] >> >> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> >>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs >> look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible >> when they are displayed in two rows. >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep >> Flat Grey as >>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the >> Apache logo >>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to >> get rid of >>>> the "chiclet" >>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that >> menu in a >>>> collapsible left column. >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual >> Theme >>>>>> To: [hidden email], >>>> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink >> comes to >>>> my mind >>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL >> capable. So a >>>> big YES >>>>>> to keep it, of course. >>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting >> old. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The current version of the theme >> is based >>>> on the >>>>>> original look and feel of >>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the >> community - >>>> back in >>>>>> 2004. Around the Spring of >>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to >> make >>>> the >>>>>> original style a little more >>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was >>>> converted to a >>>>>> floating flexible layout >>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was >> made >>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added >> support >>>> for >>>>>> bi-directional layout (for rtl >>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions >> were >>>> made by >>>>>> the OFBiz community and, in >>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the >> Flat >>>> Grey theme >>>>>> the fallback theme when all >>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks >> dated. I >>>> would >>>>>> like to update it to make >>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its >>>> advantages over >>>>>> the other themes. I'm >>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif >> file >>>> updates. >>>>>> The current templates and >>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are >> welcome >>>> to help >>>>>> out. I would also >>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or >> comments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>> http://www.lynx.de >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > |
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Here we go:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Adrian Crum <[hidden email]> wrote: > That's great news Ryan - I can't wait > to see the new theme! > > It's good to know you're willing to help with Flat Grey - > I'm no graphics artist. As far as updating Flay Grey - I can > create a Jira issue and you can supply patches if you like. > I really don't have much to say in addition to what I've > said on the mailing list. > > Maybe the location of the main navigation tab bar can be > controlled by a user setting - top, left, or right. > > -Adrian > > --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ryan Foster <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat > > Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is right, the Flat > Grey > > theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks > very > > dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another > > improved version, let's just improve the version we > have > > now. I think that is more efficient and more > > beneficial in the long run. > > > > As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a > horizontal, > > tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs > look > > like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible > > displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be > > happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I > have > > some ideas that could help. Email me directly if > you > > want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing > list > > discussion. > > > > Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I > can > > use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser > about a > > new theme I have been working on already for some time > now > > that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for > > scalability and customization, and that will > eventually > > replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new > theme > > scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal > styling for > > maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned > for > > more details in the next few days... > > > > Ryan L. Foster > > 801.671.0769 > > [hidden email] > > > > On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > > > > > Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The > tabs > > look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look > terrible > > when they are displayed in two rows. > > > > > > -Adrian > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > >> By "chiclet" main navigation style, > > >> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should > keep > > Flat Grey as > > >> it is (because there are advantages > > >> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey > evolution... > > >> > > >> Jacques > > >> > > >> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > > >>> I was thinking we could use colors from > the > > Apache logo > > >> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like > to > > get rid of > > >> the "chiclet" > > >>> main navigation style, and maybe have > that > > menu in a > > >> collapsible left column. > > >>> > > >>> -Adrian > > >>> > > >>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp > <[hidden email]> > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> > > >>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey > Visual > > Theme > > >>>> To: [hidden email], > > >> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> > > >>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 > AM > > >>>> I really would appreciate to keep > the > > >>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs > a > > >>>> few visual improvements. > > >>>> Let me think about this, maybe > somethink > > comes to > > >> my mind > > >>>> ..... :-) > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers > > >>>> > > >>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> > > >>>> > > >>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL > > capable. So a > > >> big YES > > >>>> to keep it, of course. > > >>>>> I have no ideas though :/ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Jacques > > >>>>> > > >>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is > getting > > old. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The current version of the > theme > > is based > > >> on the > > >>>> original look and feel of > > >>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined > the > > community - > > >> back in > > >>>> 2004. Around the Spring of > > >>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient > gifs to > > make > > >> the > > >>>> original style a little more > > >>>>>> interesting. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> After that, the visual theme > was > > >> converted to a > > >>>> floating flexible layout > > >>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it > was > > made > > >>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size > > >>>>>> can be changed), and it > added > > support > > >> for > > >>>> bi-directional layout (for rtl > > >>>>>> languages). Those design > decisions > > were > > >> made by > > >>>> the OFBiz community and, in > > >>>>>> my opinion, continue to make > the > > Flat > > >> Grey theme > > >>>> the fallback theme when all > > >>>>>> else fails. It just works. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Despite its advantages, it > looks > > dated. I > > >> would > > >>>> like to update it to make > > >>>>>> it more modern, but maintain > its > > >> advantages over > > >>>> the other themes. I'm > > >>>>>> thinking it only needs css > and gif > > file > > >> updates. > > >>>> The current templates and > > >>>>>> javascripts would be > maintained. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> If anyone is interested, they > are > > welcome > > >> to help > > >>>> out. I would also > > >>>>>> appreciate any suggestions > or > > comments. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Let me know what you think. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -Adrian > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Sascha Rodekamp > > >>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH > > >>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 > > >>>> D-33615 Bielefeld > > >>>> http://www.lynx.de > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Ryan,
Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: > IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in > years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we > have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. > > As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. > Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I > think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list > discussion. > > Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme > I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and > customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 > and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... > > Ryan L. Foster > 801.671.0769 > [hidden email] > > On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > >> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >> displayed in two rows. >> >> -Adrian >> >> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>> it is (because there are advantages >>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>> the "chiclet" >>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>> collapsible left column. >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>> To: [hidden email], >>> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>> my mind >>>>> ..... :-) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. >>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of >>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of >>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more >>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout >>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl >>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in >>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all >>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make >>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm >>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and >>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also >>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>> http://www.lynx.de |
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From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual
theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Ryan, > > Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 > looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... > > My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep > up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened > to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. > > Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why > taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more > themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some > (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or > synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 > http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) > > There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st > modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just > choice the name! > > Thanks > > Jacques > > Ryan Foster wrote: >> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is >> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the >> long run. >> >> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want >> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >> discussion. >> >> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as >> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope >> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme >> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. >> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >> >> Ryan L. Foster >> 801.671.0769 >> [hidden email] >> >> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> >>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces >>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>> displayed in two rows. >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>> wrote: >>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>> the "chiclet" >>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>> collapsible left column. >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>> <[hidden email]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>> To: [hidden email], >>>> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>> my mind >>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, >>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original look >>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around >>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a >>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout >>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback >>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update >>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current >>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also >>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>> http://www.lynx.de > > > |
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I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts on the themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be "my" theme anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative effort to build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood, and other members of the the OFBiz community. At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly over the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on taking a much more active role in the community in the months and years ahead. As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would be a good idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance once a new theme has been added to the trunk is that not everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the process of maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, collaboration, etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own code. Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 [hidden email] On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. > > -Adrian > > On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> Ryan, >> >> Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >> looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... >> >> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep >> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened >> to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. >> >> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why >> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more >> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some >> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or >> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >> >> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st >> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just >> choice the name! >> >> Thanks >> >> Jacques >> >> Ryan Foster wrote: >>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is >>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >>> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the >>> long run. >>> >>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want >>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>> discussion. >>> >>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as >>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >>> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope >>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme >>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. >>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>> >>> Ryan L. Foster >>> 801.671.0769 >>> [hidden email] >>> >>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>> >>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces >>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>>> displayed in two rows. >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>> <[hidden email]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>> To: [hidden email], >>>>> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>> my mind >>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, >>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original look >>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around >>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a >>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout >>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback >>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update >>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current >>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also >>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de >> >> >> |
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Yes, but why not create an evolution and keep the old one? Is it so bad that Ryan and you want to remove it? I like plurality, and
especially I'm sure it will be easier for some of our users to have it at hand... Any other opinions? Jacques From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual > theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the > attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix > it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. > > -Adrian > > On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> Ryan, >> >> Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >> looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... >> >> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep >> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened >> to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. >> >> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why >> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more >> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some >> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or >> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >> >> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st >> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just >> choice the name! >> >> Thanks >> >> Jacques >> >> Ryan Foster wrote: >>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is >>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >>> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the >>> long run. >>> >>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want >>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>> discussion. >>> >>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as >>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >>> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope >>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme >>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. >>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>> >>> Ryan L. Foster >>> 801.671.0769 >>> [hidden email] >>> >>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>> >>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces >>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>>> displayed in two rows. >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>> <[hidden email]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>> To: [hidden email], >>>>> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>> my mind >>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, >>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original look >>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around >>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a >>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout >>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback >>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update >>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current >>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also >>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de >> >> >> > |
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> Jacques, > > I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts on the themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the > BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be "my" theme anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that > was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative effort to build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood, > and other members of the the OFBiz community. Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you were one of the "fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much at the beginning, my apologies. > At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly over the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into > independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on taking a much more active role in the community in the months and > years ahead. That's really a good, very good news! > As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would be a good idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that > individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance once a new theme has been added to the trunk is that not > everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the process of maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual > contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, collaboration, etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own > code. This could certainly be discussed as themes are no blocking parts as long as *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to become committer), opinions? Jacques > Ryan L. Foster > 801.671.0769 > [hidden email] > > On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > >> From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will >> get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix >> it, etc. >> >> -Adrian >> >> On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> Ryan, >>> >>> Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >>> looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... >>> >>> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep >>> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened >>> to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. >>> >>> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why >>> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more >>> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some >>> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or >>> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >>> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >>> >>> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st >>> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just >>> choice the name! >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is >>>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >>>> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >>>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the >>>> long run. >>>> >>>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >>>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >>>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >>>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >>>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want >>>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as >>>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >>>> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope >>>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme >>>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >>>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. >>>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>>> >>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>> 801.671.0769 >>>> [hidden email] >>>> >>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces >>>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>>>> displayed in two rows. >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>> <[hidden email]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>>> To: [hidden email], >>>>>> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>>> my mind >>>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, >>>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original look >>>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around >>>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a >>>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout >>>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback >>>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update >>>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current >>>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also >>>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de |
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Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 [hidden email] On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Ryan Foster wrote: >> Jacques, >> >> I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts on the themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the >> BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be "my" theme anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that >> was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative effort to build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood, >> and other members of the the OFBiz community. > > Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you were one of the "fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much at > the beginning, my apologies. > >> At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly over the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into >> independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on taking a much more active role in the community in the months and >> years ahead. > > That's really a good, very good news! > >> As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would be a good idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that >> individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance once a new theme has been added to the trunk is that not >> everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the process of maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual >> contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, collaboration, etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own >> code. > > This could certainly be discussed as themes are no blocking parts as long as *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to > become committer), opinions? I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. With Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 release you can even search for new themes and install them automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering "premium" themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. > > Jacques > > >> Ryan L. Foster >> 801.671.0769 >> [hidden email] >> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> >>> From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will >>> get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix >>> it, etc. >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> Ryan, >>>> >>>> Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >>>> looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... >>>> >>>> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep >>>> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened >>>> to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. >>>> >>>> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why >>>> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more >>>> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some >>>> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or >>>> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >>>> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >>>> >>>> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st >>>> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just >>>> choice the name! >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is >>>>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>>>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >>>>> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >>>>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the >>>>> long run. >>>>> >>>>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >>>>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >>>>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >>>>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >>>>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want >>>>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>>>> discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as >>>>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >>>>> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope >>>>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>>>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme >>>>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >>>>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. >>>>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>>>> >>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces >>>>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>>>>> displayed in two rows. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>>>> To: [hidden email], >>>>>>> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>>>> my mind >>>>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, >>>>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original look >>>>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around >>>>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a >>>>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout >>>>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback >>>>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update >>>>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current >>>>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also >>>>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de > > |
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I'm all for plurality as well. In fact, I have at least 10 more front-end and backend themes that I am working on or planning. I'm just not sure I want to maintain 10 more themes in the trunk. What if Bruno, Ean or anyone else creates more themes as well? Do we really want to constantly maintain 10, 20, 30 different themes?...
Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 [hidden email] On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Yes, but why not create an evolution and keep the old one? Is it so bad that Ryan and you want to remove it? I like plurality, and especially I'm sure it will be easier for some of our users to have it at hand... > > Any other opinions? > > Jacques > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >> From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual >> theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the >> attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix >> it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. >> >> -Adrian >> >> On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> Ryan, >>> >>> Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >>> looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... >>> >>> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep >>> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened >>> to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. >>> >>> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why >>> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more >>> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some >>> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or >>> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >>> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >>> >>> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st >>> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just >>> choice the name! >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is >>>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >>>> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >>>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the >>>> long run. >>>> >>>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >>>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >>>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >>>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >>>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want >>>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as >>>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >>>> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope >>>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme >>>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >>>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. >>>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>>> >>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>> 801.671.0769 >>>> [hidden email] >>>> >>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces >>>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>>>> displayed in two rows. >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>> <[hidden email]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>>> To: [hidden email], >>>>>> "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>>> my mind >>>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, >>>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original look >>>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around >>>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a >>>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout >>>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback >>>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update >>>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current >>>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also >>>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de >>> >>> >>> > > |
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On 1/6/2011 11:11 AM, Ryan Foster wrote:
> I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. With Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 release you can even search for new themes and install them automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering "premium" themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This was discussed when we first added visual theme capability. There is nothing blocking third-party visual themes being offered on other sites. It was suggested that OFBiz have only one theme, but the decision was made to have more than one so that visual theme selection could be demonstrated. -Adrian |
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